De Gea Contract Situation
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Not his house, he was renting.
The Telegraph said it was his?
The owner asked him to leave according to marca
http://www.marca.com/en/2015/06/25/en/football/international_football/1435257341.html
http://www.marca.com/en/2015/06/25/en/football/international_football/1435257341.html
Sounds like bollocks. Houses in that area at this price have not been selling infact I think Ronaldo is still trying to sell his. If the article said he had to move as the house had sold there might be some truth in it.
This is meant as a WUM right?
Funny you should say that, MEN reports:
Man Utd issue Real Madrid with ultimatum and are prepared to let David de Gea run down his contract at Old Trafford if they fail to offer £33m.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-demand-record-goalkeeper-9529342
There probably isn't a less clued up newspaper in entire Europe about the local club then MEN .
Granted, although it is the news that most people would like to hear I think
James Ducker in the Times says that we value him over £29m and will ask for that amount.
Hope we stick to our guns on that. Madrid need to pay up or feck off.
Don't know what situation the owner is in, may be having financial difficulty and needs to sell.
I like the idea that he only sold his house as a way of saying "fck you" to the fans. He thought, Im going to rub their noses in it, those wankers who have stood by me through thicvk and thin, when i was adjusting to the league and making silly mistakes. Thisll show em.
LOL, Ronaldo talked and people complain that he disrespect the club and the fans, and that he should have shut his gob.
DDG kept quiet and he's been criticized for doing so and cries for him to speak out.
LOL, Ronaldo talked and people complain that he disrespect the club and the fans, and that he should have shut his gob.
DDG kept quiet and he's been criticized for doing so and cries for him to speak out.
It's subjective, but surely you can see the two-faced side of this scenario? It may be respectable keeping schdum, but how is it respectable agreeing terms with another club and refusing to actually ask the club to leave? Am I right in saying that by refusing to put in a transfer request he loses out on some form of income himself? For a player who we were patient with and absolutely adored, I just would have thought he'd have just announced to the club his intention to leave and be done with it.
1) If he put in a transfer request, all the negotiating power goes to Madrid. As things stand currently, United can easily just say DDG is happy and will play another year at United if they thing Madrid are feckin' them about.
2) If the latter happens, isn't it better for the club and fans that DDG never handed in a transfer request?
3) Handing in a transfer request will not speed up this process in anyway, so it is literally a pointless thing to do - as it only has negative side-effects.
He will be due a loyalty bonus if he doesn't, but I don't imagine it's that much in the grand scheme of things.
I see. Interesting. I think what annoys me from all that is that we know DDG isn't happy to stay here as he wants to join Madrid. I don't want a player at the club who clearly doesn't want to be here and has no intention to sign a new contract before next summer. What's the point?
But I see what you mean. I personally don't mind when players speak out about wanting to leave - as long as its at the end of the season. Doing it during the season is stupid and disrespectful.
Yeah, I don't think anyone does really (my first rule on Football Manager, someone tells me they want out, they can go straight away) - He will be gone this summer, we just have to be patient. The club needs to negotiate a good deal for him, so we should just trust that that's what they're doing.
Well played, Woody. Agree with this approach. I'm warming to the goggle-eyed gimp.
I can see there being a compromise at around £25m but it's good to hear that we're not getting pushed further into a corner.
Definitely. Of all the business he's done, standing firm on this deal will be his defining achievement for me. This is a much better way of showing off our financial might than overpaying for a player by about £10m or so.
I don't think it's even worth that much to us selling him for less than £20-25m financially...
£25m seems reasonable to me. But if Woodward wants to hold out for £35m then good on him.
If we can afford it, then I couldn't care less whether we get 35 or 15m for him. He's the best keeper in the league and we'll have a better season with than without him. Which is all that matters to me.
Factor in the difference between his and our #2 wages.. a good 50k a week I'd imagine which is another 2.5m (p/y)
Would Real wait another year for him, or would they go for a different keeper if we made it clear he's not available for a price they don't want to pay?
De Gea really isn't looking great in this saga. The club paid £18million for him when he was very young and relatively unproven. That was a big gamble and he didn't have the best start to his time here but the club stuck by him and he's now one of the best goalkeepers in the world. How does he repay this? By refusing to sign a contract and allow the club to be reasonably financially compensated, even Ronaldo had the decency to do that.
Knowing the circus that is real Madrid they will prefer to pay a world record fee for a keeper over say 15m. Then they can say they have the world's most expensive keeper.
I agree, but players don't always want to do that incase they're not allowed to leave the club. Fergie respected Ronaldo's desire to leave but I doubt Van Gaal gives a shit.
Contracts are actually more important than we think!
Argh! Again, from a personal standpoint - it would make absolutely zero sense for DDG to sign a new contract with us.
Also, didn't Ronaldo sign his last contract with us 2 years before he left? We don't even know whether the club offered DDG a new contract two years ago.
It may not but when even Luis Suarez is willing to do it... I doubt the club would have wanted to annoy Mendes by lying to one of his clients and it may have put off future players if they knew the club would do that.
And yeah, Ronaldo's contract renewal was in 2007. My bad.
The way I see it is that usually when we sell a player we have to accept less because we are looking to offload them. It's very rare we are looking to value a player we don't want to sell. So this time we hold the keys.
What would a goalkeeper go for on the last year of his contract at another club if they didn't want to lose him but risked getting nothing the following year? £8m? £11m for someone of De Gea's quality?
Well, we've got the finances to say "we don't care if he goes for free, he's worth keeping for a year than accepting £25m" especially as we'll have to pay a huge premium on his successor this summer.
Good point.
They don't need DdG, their fans will be happy to sign Leno instead...
...quick Woody, we'd better sell him
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Whatever happens, they're getting a bargain.
Surely United could've thought this through, offered him a big bump in wages to sign a new contract a few years ago? If he'd stayed we win. If he wanted to go we get more money.
With the crazy state of transfer fees at the moment, anything less than £40m is a joke. And to be honest, he's worth loads more than that to a team.
People may say if it's not your money why do you care? Because sooner or later it's going to affect how much we can spend. Not to mention it's getting boring seeing us mugged off constantly with transfers (in and out).
Surely United could've thought this through, offered him a big bump in wages to sign a new contract a few years ago? If he'd stayed we win. If he wanted to go we get more money.
With the crazy state of transfer fees at the moment, anything less than £40m is a joke. And to be honest, he's worth loads more than that to a team.
People may say if it's not your money why do you care? Because sooner or later it's going to affect how much we can spend. Not to mention it's getting boring seeing us mugged off constantly with transfers (in and out).
Hearing that we're on the, "we'd rather let him go free next year, than cheap this year," track and watching the trouble we've caused in Madrid over Ramos - I'm starting to think it's all very deliberate. Particularly as a DdG deal affects Casillas as well.
Madrid are believed to have non-aggression deals with a couple of clubs - notably PSG - to stop mid-contract complications. I think a significant part of this is about establishing ourselves as too painful to fight.
Madrid are believed to have non-aggression deals with a couple of clubs - notably PSG - to stop mid-contract complications. I think a significant part of this is about establishing ourselves as too painful to fight.
We would have had to offer that contract 2 years ago - and we're not really a club for discussing new contracts for players with 3 years left on their deal. Also, that was the summer between Fergie and Moyes, so yeah... not the best time... we might have offered a contract last season, but after the Moyes affair, I doubt he'd want to sign it...
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