I would ask for 30m and not a penny less, and at the same time ask De Gea to sign the 200k/week new contract or otherwise let him rot in reserve for the remaining of next season. We must show them we are not a small time club that can be fecked with.
De Gea Contract Situation
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no point holding a player against his will and being vindictive.
But asking a fair amount is reasonable. Why should Real take advantage of our situation.
But asking a fair amount is reasonable. Why should Real take advantage of our situation.
lol. You can't force him to sign a contract, mate. If his heart is set on Madrid then it doesn't matter if he's playing for Uniteds reserves or the first team, it'll feel like a one year jail sentence for him either way.
I love everything Woody is doing. If Real want De Gea that badly, then they can pay whatever the feck we tell them to pay. If not, they can do one.
We shouldn't allow ourselves to be bullied in transfers like some small-time club.
We shouldn't allow ourselves to be bullied in transfers like some small-time club.
It's a punishment for him dragging us into such situation, although we should have sold him last summer....
This totally.
DDG's feelings don't come into this. If he really wanted to help United out, he could have signed a new contract the same way Ronaldo do, which would have at least allowed us to get true market value.
As it is, if Madrid want him to be their #1, they should be willing to stump up the $$$. Pay up or shut up.
How is it really a punishment? The club would still have to pay him his full wage. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
It could ruin his Euro 2016 chances if he isn't playing first team football.
I hope we don't go to that extent though. Just keep him Real don't pay up.
Even if it did, which I doubt, it would just signal to other players that United are a spiteful team and one should think twice about signing with them. So we lose millions in transfer fees and put off other players. As I said; cutting off your nose to spite your face. If we can get at least what we paid we should just let De Gea go. I was against signing him in the first place 'cause I know this would happen.
Sure will. He is in top form and there will be Euro 16 coming up next summer. Rotting in reserve would have done enough damage to him career-wise.
No, no it wouldn't. And it would just make other players leery of signing for us.
I don't think that would become a significant factor. Real Madrid has bad reputation for being a circus all these years, that doesn't stop any top players begging to join them year after year.
He hasn't even even put in a bloody transfer request yet. If Real don't pay up to our valuation, he will stay
Players rarely put in official request in these situations. He's down to the last year on his contract and refuses to sign a new deal, that is tantamount to a transfer request. He'll either leave now for millions in transfer fees or leave next year for free. It would be stupid not to just take the fee.
According to Marca, United are playing hardball because of what we went through with Di Maria, difficulty in negotiations and high price paid. But some fans want us to accept peanuts so other players won't be unhappy
It's not about accepting peanuts, its a balancing act. Of course we want value for money, but at the same time to resolve the transfer at the right time. I'm glad Woodward is putting up a fight, they should pay a reasonable fee or feck off and look elsewhere.
This isn't how it works really, I don't think.
But if it puts off players who want to use the club and run down their contracts, then it would be a good thing.
If they wanted to stay and make a career here, it wouldn't be of concern.
This is absolutely crucial for the future.....
If he wants to go, fine! But we cannot come of this looking weak!
If he wants to go, fine! But we cannot come of this looking weak!
Isn't how what works?
Sticking him in the reserves would be silly. That's no good for anyone. If we can afford to let him leave on a free next season then we should do it. That's a financial decision and something I've no problem being left to the bean-counters. A lot can change in a year too.
That players turn down champion's league clubs and multi-million pound salaries, because other players had a bad experience when they tried to manipulate said club into losing millions for their own selfish reasons.
Agree with this except the last sentence. If DDG wants to leave, either his suitors pay what we want or they wait until next summer. I am not sure that the fat waiter will be able to keep his team in the title race, so DDG may change his opinion throughout the season. I am all for taking the risk rather than selling him at undervalue price.
I never said they would, just that they would consider it and factor it into their decision. Especially if they had offers from other CL clubs that can also pay big wages. It's childish to force De Gea to stay here when he doesn't want to. And not only is it childish it would cost the club millions in transfer fee.
Of course you're willing to take the risk because it's not your money lol. No sane businessman would take that risk unless they thought losing De Gea would cost the club top 4 next season and thus losing out on CL football the following season.
Well, well, well, Woodward is probably disagreeing with you, and he is basically in charge of paying the money lol.
What makes you think Woodward is disagreeing? He's doing exactly what he should do, that is trying to get as much out of Real as he can, but in the end he will sell.
If we don't sell De Gea this summer, I'll shit in my trousers...
Actually, better yet, I'll shit in your trousers
Then he can serve the one year sentence and leave for free next year.
if that were the case, players would not move to Real knowing they treat their players like shit at the drop of a hat and no player would ever sign for Spurs again.Some of you lot need to realize this is United and not a League 2 side. Players will still queue up to sign for us.
And I said if they had that as a concern, then their heart must not be with making the best out of being here. Therefore it would be a good thing.
He is running down his contract, which will cost United money by having to sell at a reduced fee, but not putting in a transfer request. Why?
Because it will lose his loyalty (sic) payment.
He may have a genuinely benign reason for wanting the move, but he is not behaving in any other way than cnutish.
If we make him stay unless the offer is acceptable, the message is that United won't be taken for mugs, and if that puts off players who want to do that then it is a bonus, in my eyes.
It's easy for you to be an internet hard man and take such a tough stance because it's not you losing millions in transfer fees if he leaves for free. Plus who wants to keep a player against their will, do you really think he will be at his best if he spends the whole season thinking of Real and getting flack from the stands about not re-signing. He will be sold this summer.
Personally, I think he should be sold if what they're offering at least matches what we paid for him. It's still a lot of money for a goalkeeper and we'd probably be better off getting a replacement right now rather than risk playing a potentially unhappy player AND lose him on a free next season. I don't believe there's a chance he'll change his mind. Ronaldo desperately wanted to go there even when we were the better team. Letting him rot in reserves because he doesn't want to sign a new contract is a ridiculous idea.
anyone else think that there is a lot of playing to the gallery here by both United and Real? Ramos at £60-odd million, DDG at "the world record for keeper". If both fees are inflated by the same amount both clubs can claim they had massive balls, played hardball and won. If the same transactions happened at £25m or so lower both clubs look a lot weaker.
How very conceited of you.
How am I being an internet hardman?
I hold a different opinion to you. Get over yourself.
If we bend over for Real on this, it puts us in a weak position for years, that players know it is a surefire tactic that they can use, and we'll buckle.
I've made my reasoning clear, and see nothing in continuing to debate this with someone that has your attitude.
True that.
The amount of dirt slinging going on at Real makes me doubt that. Interesting theory though.
True and it will piss DDG off but we cannot give in to Madrid like this (we certainly got taken on the ADM deal). If they think they can shaft us again then fine, the fat Spanish waiter can wait a year and see how he does with Navas or anyone they can bring in to replace Casillas.
Agree. 13m in the scheme of things is nothing to United. We already set a pretty bad precedent with ADM by overpaying. If RM can play hardball with us over Ramos, then why can't we with DDG?
I seriously think it'd be more stupid to listen to your advice. You'd rather we behave in a way that other players think they can leave us at any time, even with a running contract, and we'll say "of course you can leave, bye, good luck"? BS
Love the stance we are taking and can imagine LVG bullying EW into taking it however I'm not really up for a year of situation overshadowing season and having him in goal if he doesn't want to be here. Rather get situation sorted so we can look to the future with a team that wants to be there.
Very happy that Woodward is taking a stand here. £13M is insulting. If we give in, we'd look like big fools and it would set a precedence. Clearly Real Madrid thought we could be bullied - and we need to put a stop to that assumption asap.
Re: DDG - he and his agent brought this on himself. Should never had entertained any talk from Real until after he'd signed a contract with us. It would not only have put us, but also him, in a better position. Instead, he allowed them to get to him and manipulated him into thinking that he won't get another chance with them if he signs an extension with us. Not only that, I'm sure being the no.1 goalkeeper for his national team was also dangled in his face. You should never trust Madrid. Now look at them, they want him so badly after the crap season that Casilla's has had, that they aren't willing to pay a decent transfer fee for him. Had he done the right thing in the first place, i.e. trusted United, told them of his desire to play for Madrid and that he would sign the extension on condition he be allowed to leave - we wouldn't have this drama now. Madrid would have had to pay up; he would have gotten what he wanted; and we could get on with our business.
Anyway, if Real don't pay up and we keep him, I should think he would still perform well - he has no choice as Euro 2016 is coming up and he would not want to be dropped from his national team - that is more important to him than anything else from the impression he gives.
In short, we are doing the right thing.
Re: DDG - he and his agent brought this on himself. Should never had entertained any talk from Real until after he'd signed a contract with us. It would not only have put us, but also him, in a better position. Instead, he allowed them to get to him and manipulated him into thinking that he won't get another chance with them if he signs an extension with us. Not only that, I'm sure being the no.1 goalkeeper for his national team was also dangled in his face. You should never trust Madrid. Now look at them, they want him so badly after the crap season that Casilla's has had, that they aren't willing to pay a decent transfer fee for him. Had he done the right thing in the first place, i.e. trusted United, told them of his desire to play for Madrid and that he would sign the extension on condition he be allowed to leave - we wouldn't have this drama now. Madrid would have had to pay up; he would have gotten what he wanted; and we could get on with our business.
Anyway, if Real don't pay up and we keep him, I should think he would still perform well - he has no choice as Euro 2016 is coming up and he would not want to be dropped from his national team - that is more important to him than anything else from the impression he gives.
In short, we are doing the right thing.
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