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De Gea Contract Situation
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Then he will find himself in breach of contract, subject to legal penalties and a pretty severe playing ban I think.
How stupid are Real Madrid?
The arrogance to expect us to bend over and take whatever pittance they offer is going to cost them. How many times do they pay whatever is necessary to land their targets? They have money to spend and it's not like they're in the running for a player that will cost them Bale or James money this summer. Had they just done what they did numerous times before, they probably have De Gea signed a week into the transfer window and they probably don't have the headache of the Ramos situation either.
The arrogance to expect us to bend over and take whatever pittance they offer is going to cost them. How many times do they pay whatever is necessary to land their targets? They have money to spend and it's not like they're in the running for a player that will cost them Bale or James money this summer. Had they just done what they did numerous times before, they probably have De Gea signed a week into the transfer window and they probably don't have the headache of the Ramos situation either.
He may have advised that, but I say it's DdG's wish. If it's his persistent wish, Mendes would have a duty to comply
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Why would it cost them? Worst case they'll wait until next season and get De Gea for free (if De Gea wants to join them. He still hasn't said anything, after all). Until then they have Casillas and Navas.
Why would it cost them? Worst case they'll wait until next season and get De Gea for free (if De Gea wants to join them. He still hasn't said anything, after all). Until then they have Casillas and Navas.
So you are blaming Mendes for complying to De Gea's whishes?
Worst case scenario for RM would be a registration ban and de Gea going to Barca on a free. They aren't known for being patient either.
It's much more than that. Casillas is no longer a viable top level keeper. He has been booed a few times. Navas for all his heroics will never be more than second choice anywhere.
Plus with barca sweeping the titles and looking stronger than ever (even reportedly adding pogba whom Madrid would have wanted) have put Perez under enormous pressure to bring about changes. De gea would have probably appeased the fans a little bit as he is future Spain no.1 and arguably the best keeper that they can get. If they wait one more year they cannot survive the barca onslaught with the existing keepers. They are more desperate than we think
Just venting some frustration at seeing Mendes' hands everywhere nowadays
When will it be known that they face a ban? I haven't heard about the possible ban since the first rumour months ago. Could still be possible, of course, and yes, that would be a problem. I still don't see the arrogance @manutddjw talks about though - they're probably in negotiation with United, as every club would be. It's July 1st after all.
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Fair enough. The politics at Real Madrid are somewhat ... odd. Ability wise I think Navas could be decent enough to help them winning a title, but that's hard to say given that he's been benched for an aging Casillas, and playtime is an important factor for a goalkeeper, imo.
Phil Jones wouldn't want to share a room with Phil Jones.
Wouldn't say that is a good thing for Madrid.
I'd be very surprised.
You are suggesting that he effectively goes on strike. The last time this happened was P.V.Hoojidonk. And this was decades ago.
Can anybody give me another example when a player effectively went on strike?
Didn't Rojo threaten to go on strike to force a move to us?
Haven't Tevez and Gallas both threatened it in the past?
Gareth Bale refused to turn up to training until he was sold.
Do you guys seriously think he'll be afraid to come back for pre-season? Embarassed yes, but scared? Sounds all hyperbole especially coming from a dubious source
He'll just come in and get on with the job professionally with a few laughs from his team mates probably
He'll just come in and get on with the job professionally with a few laughs from his team mates probably
He will laugh with his team mates but he won't laugh with Woodward and Van gaal.
Sorry I'm lazy, but I've been out of the country, what's all the talk about Casillas' bridges being burnt? Links would be appreciated!
Doubt any United fan cares to be honest. If he wants to go that desperately, then put in a transfer request. The club will sanction it next day
I know, it was meant in jest
Maybe, but since he tried his best to avoid the awkward conversion, I suppose that he isn't thrilled to comeback Monday, because he will have that conversion this time.
United will probably allow him to leave but he will have to be honest and direct.
being around LVG wont be pleasant in these circumstances, he said this week he is angry over the situation. like going head to head with the T-Rex from Jurassic Park
How is £13m going to help us get our money back when we payed £18M and he's now world classUnited wants an unrealistic amount of cash and since Madrid is not willing to pay the idea is that the offer is disrespectful.In the same contract situation Madrid paid 30m€ for Kroos, one of the best midfielders in the world. For being spaniard and to compensate the currency situation £-€ they might pay 35/40. De Gea wanted to renew but with a 30m€ release clause, what United didn't accept,so probably they already had in mind the "Van Gaal is upset/we are not selling" to try to get more money lengthening the situation, the Levy's methods. To keep a player against his will when there is an offer on the table is also unrealistic,maybe not in the mind of the fans but I guess that the club should be interested trying to get the investment back.
And don't say he has one year left, because I couldn't care less - it's a derogatory offer. Think you're missing the point - it's De Gea's actions which have bordered on contempt for the club that is causing all of this, along with Madrid's entitled attitude. As someone mentioned, De Gea has tried to do everything possible to make things easy for Madrid. United are absolutely right to make a stand.
How is £13m going to help us get our money back when we payed £18M and he's now world class
Think you're missing the point - it's De Gea's actions which have bordered on contempt for the club that is causing all of this, along with Madrid's entitled attitude. As someone mentioned, De Gea has tried to do everything possible to make things easy for Madrid. United are absolutely right to make a stand.
Fully agreed. De Gea should have signed an extension and force Madrid to pay a load of money to prove his #1 status. Instead of that, United is being treated like a little donkey... David, why don't you simply sign and tell Madrid to pay the right price for you? You deserve to be the best of the best and that includes the transfer fees.
@ carvajal Kroos was offered an improved contract at Bayern but Bayern didn't value him enough to offer him what their other top earners get paid. Whereas we have reportedly made him an offer which would make him the best paid gk in the world so we clearly rate him more highly as part of our team than Bayern did Kroos.
I hope we demand 35 mil £ or just keep him for a year.
In regards to players refusing to train, didn't Modric do it as well? However I am sure DDG won't refuse to train.
I hope we demand 35 mil £ or just keep him for a year.
In regards to players refusing to train, didn't Modric do it as well? However I am sure DDG won't refuse to train.
I think that the general point of view here is,the player has a contract that is going to end,therefore he has to renew to allow us to get all the money that we want, if not he is ungrateful.If he wants to leave the normal thing would be to play 1 more year or a fee not so generous since 1st of january he can sign with us. Of course Manchester offered a lot but the wages are not changing the extension of the contract,doesnt matter if his name is Kroos or deGea.David won't refuse to train.
Ibrahimovic at juve
Didn't Tevez also strike a few golf balls whilst on strike at City.
I don't see him as ungrateful. He is fulfilling his contract. But just as he is fulfilling his we are compleyely entitled to fulfil our part. So if we don't get a big fee and th therefore we will be better off by just keeping him for one more year then this is our right. What RM or DDG want isn't our business. We don't have a contract with RM. But we have one with DDG which he signed and which still has one year left on it. As simple as that!
Even rojo went on strike
Of course United can use the last year.Maybe David didn't manage well the situation.At least I prefer to give a chance to Navas to pay more than 30m€
I think De Gea was just being a little bit naive about it. He's in his last year of his contract, his big, filthy rich dream club says their going to sign him, so he think it's probably just a formality to agree a fee and get it done.
I don't think he counted on Madrid making a derogatory bid, and pissing us off in the process. In my mind, he was not obliged to sign an extension just to get us extra $$. I also think LvG wasn't too convinced by De Gea when he first came on board, and that probably delayed offering him a new contract as well. Everyone was acting on self interest, and we have as much to blame for him being able to run down his contract to it's final year.
That being said, I think the stance we're taking is the right one, and he should know it too. We should not be held to ransom by anyone, and he should be professional enough to give his best in his final season for us. If he can do that, we should not hold anything against him.
I don't think he counted on Madrid making a derogatory bid, and pissing us off in the process. In my mind, he was not obliged to sign an extension just to get us extra $$. I also think LvG wasn't too convinced by De Gea when he first came on board, and that probably delayed offering him a new contract as well. Everyone was acting on self interest, and we have as much to blame for him being able to run down his contract to it's final year.
That being said, I think the stance we're taking is the right one, and he should know it too. We should not be held to ransom by anyone, and he should be professional enough to give his best in his final season for us. If he can do that, we should not hold anything against him.
The latest report in AS seems encouraging.
Let's be done with this shit.
Let's be done with this shit.
Wasn't there an alleged bust up between LVG and DDG at the start of the season? Wonder if that had any part to play in DDG decision. I really doubt his home town rivals club is his dream club but if there is an issue between player and manager there isn't that many other clubs that are an upgrade to United.
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