De Gea Contract Situation

[united_99]

He never did anything in both the transfer requests "openly". It was Fergie who made it public knowledge in both cases.

Did I dream the statement Rooney issued?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9112052.stm

It's not his business to openly question our ambitions and thus the quality of teammates. The very next year we won the title and beat Chelsea to the title and beat them in the CL. It's not like the two clubs in England he could have joined have been winning trebles or something.
So despite his concerns actually being baseless (as only RM/Barca were really ahead of ourselves and it's not like they were desperate to get him), even if you assume they were true he should keep such statements out of the public as a player.

 

[wr8_utd]

Did I dream the statement Rooney issued?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9112052.stm

It's not his business to openly question our ambitions and thus the quality of teammates. The very next year we won the title and beat Chelsea to the title and beat them in the CL. It's not like the two clubs in England he could have joined have been winning trebles or something.
So despite his concerns actually being baseless (as only RM/Barca were really ahead of ourselves and it's not like they were desperate to get him), even if you assume they were true he should keep such statements out of the public as a player.

He only said what he said in his statement as a response to Fergie calling Rooney out in the press conference. It would have stayed private otherwise.

 

[united_99]

He only said what he said in his statement as a response to Fergie calling Rooney out in the press conference. It would have stayed private otherwise.

Fergie was the manager and had to do something about all the circus surrounding this saga. Rooney should have kept his mouth shut. Instead he couldn't even wait until we had at least played our CL game.

If DDG said something like that (and he actually would have a reason considering the joke of a defence he has had to play with), it still would have been out of order. Keane critisized his teammates and had to leave as a result. I also can't think of any other player at any club who critisized his teammates and still stayed at the club. But Rooney did and some ppl are still surprised that he got stick for it!

 

[Revan]

Did I dream the statement Rooney issued?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9112052.stm

It's not his business to openly question our ambitions and thus the quality of teammates. The very next year we won the title and beat Chelsea to the title and beat them in the CL. It's not like the two clubs in England he could have joined have been winning trebles or something.
So despite his concerns actually being baseless (as only RM/Barca were really ahead of ourselves and it's not like they were desperate to get him), even if you assume they were true he should keep such statements out of the public as a player.

It was on private with SAF. Then SAF spoke to put pressure in Rooney's camp, and then Rooney responded. And then he got the money he wanted.

Obviously, it was always for money, not for the quality of players we had or we were able to target.

 

[united_99]

It was on private with SAF. Then SAF spoke to put pressure in Rooney's camp, and then Rooney responded. And then he got the money he wanted.

Obviously, it was always for money, not for the quality of players we had or we were able to target.

Well yeah, I don't even know which is worst, his statement or actually him just putting it out to get more money. There are many ways to negotiate more money and he chose the worst one!

 

[Revan]

Well yeah, I don't even know which is worst, his statement or actually him just putting it out to get more money. There are many ways to negotiate more money and he chose the worst one!

As long as things were in private with SAF - which it looks to be the case - then neither of those things (tactical negotiations in order to get more money; questioning the ability of the club to attract top players) aren't bad things. After all, a player has genuine reasons to ask for the long-term ambition of the club before he decides to sign a long term contract.

 

[united_99]

As long as things were in private with SAF - which it looks to be the case - then neither of those things (tactical negotiations in order to get more money; questioning the ability of the club to attract top players) aren't bad things. After all, a player has genuine reasons to ask for the long-term ambition of the club before he decides to sign a long term contract.

But it was Rooney who blamed the ambitions, he told us that and not SAF. He could have said he has some issues which he is discussing with United if he wanted to say anything. But instead he chose to question our ambitions at a time when he himself was playing some of the worst football of his career.
Sorry, wanted to add and came from a shocking WC.

 

[Lennon7]

Kinda obvious but still good to hear. Some reporters knocked on his door last night

 

[SATA]

The twat is back in Manchester?

 

[Lennon7]

The twat is back in Manchester?

Nope, he was with Edurne in Madrid I think.

 

[Van Piorsing]

He wasn't sleepy at all, he just wanted to make it home to watch Copa America final, unlike Eboue.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Developed by both Atletico and United, he's going to give his best years to Real Madrid. Quite a dick move to be honest.

So he'll be disliked, hated even, by two clubs, and playing for a club with fans who have no qualms on booing their players. That Edurne lady must be a firecracker in bed for him to want to go through with this.

 

[Crackers]

Developed by both Atletico and United, he's going to give his best years to Real Madrid. Quite a dick move to be honest.

So he'll be disliked, hated even, by two clubs, and playing for a club with fans who have no qualms on booing their players. That Edurne lady must be a firecracker in bed for him to want to go through with this.

That or she has serious dirt on him.

 

[Lennon7]

Developed by both Atletico and United, he's going to give his best years to Real Madrid. Quite a dick move to be honest.

So he'll be disliked, hated even, by two clubs, and playing for a club with fans who have no qualms on booing their players. That Edurne lady must be a firecracker in bed for him to want to go through with this.

Regardless of this, Real are the biggest club in Spain so naturally Spanish players want to play for them (or Barca)

 

[Di Maria's angel]

The De Gea situation is like a Manchester United fan playing for City up until 21, moving to Barcelona and then pushing for a move to back to Manchester but to play for United.

Not sure why it's so hard for many to grasp or understand.

I'd love it if De Gea stayed as there is an element of him owing us or at least helping us regain the title whilst he's at his best. However, at the same time, I understand the pull of Real Madrid and would wish him the best if he were to leave.

 

[saivet]

The De Gea situation is like a Manchester United fan playing for City up until 21, moving to Barcelona and then pushing for a move to back to Manchester but to play for United.

Not sure why it's so hard for many to grasp or understand.

I'd love it if De Gea stayed as there is an element of him owing us or at least helping us regain the title whilst he's at his best. However, at the same time, I understand the pull of Real Madrid and would wish him the best if he were to leave.

Man City fan, no?

 

[Jagga7]

Developed by both Atletico and United, he's going to give his best years to Real Madrid. Quite a dick move to be honest.

So he'll be disliked, hated even, by two clubs, and playing for a club with fans who have no qualms on booing their players. That Edurne lady must be a firecracker in bed for him to want to go through with this.

Way to harsh. There are more important things in life than football, how can you blame a person to wanting to go back to his home city where he will be closer to his family and loved ones.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

The De Gea situation is like a Manchester United fan playing for City up until 21, moving to Barcelona and then pushing for a move to back to Manchester but to play for United.

Not sure why it's so hard for many to grasp or understand.

I'd love it if De Gea stayed as there is an element of him owing us or at least helping us regain the title whilst he's at his best. However, at the same time, I understand the pull of Real Madrid and would wish him the best if he were to leave.

Is he a Real Madrid fan then?

 

[Damien]

Not the best of analogies. Edurne is a Real Madrid fan but de Gea's family are Atletico.

 

[.Rossi]

The De Gea situation is like a Manchester United fan playing for City up until 21, moving to Barcelona and then pushing for a move to back to Manchester but to play for United.

Not sure why it's so hard for many to grasp or understand.

I'd love it if De Gea stayed as there is an element of him owing us or at least helping us regain the title whilst he's at his best. However, at the same time, I understand the pull of Real Madrid and would wish him the best if he were to leave.

De Dea is an Atletico supporter though.

A few ex players came out during the week and said he will be hated by them if he goes to Real.

Regardless of United, it's a dickish move on his part, purely down to his apparent "love" for Atletico and all they done for him

 

[golden_blunder]

He's a footballer. He goes where he's told by his agent or where he wants to go.
The only dicks are you guys who expect him to turn down RM because he played for AM. Whoopy fecking do

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Yeah seems I was mistaken as to who he supported. Regardless, don't think we should be so bitter. All his motives for the move are understandable, and of most importance, he hasn't actually moved.

 

[Sandikan]

Did I dream the statement Rooney issued?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9112052.stm

It's not his business to openly question our ambitions and thus the quality of teammates. The very next year we won the title and beat Chelsea to the title and beat them in the CL. It's not like the two clubs in England he could have joined have been winning trebles or something.
So despite his concerns actually being baseless (as only RM/Barca were really ahead of ourselves and it's not like they were desperate to get him), even if you assume they were true he should keep such statements out of the public as a player.

he postured behind the scenes to get a huge contract, and then Fergie played an absolute blinder making it public, and massively hyping the pressure on Rooney.
Hence the weasling explanation in the link.

Incredible work from Fergie at a time losing Rooney would have been disastrous.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Surprised to see the De Gea index hasn't firmed a little recently.

 

[Sandikan]

The De Gea situation is like a Manchester United fan playing for City up until 21, moving to Barcelona and then pushing for a move to back to Manchester but to play for United.

Not sure why it's so hard for many to grasp or understand.

I'd love it if De Gea stayed as there is an element of him owing us or at least helping us regain the title whilst he's at his best. However, at the same time, I understand the pull of Real Madrid and would wish him the best if he were to leave.

not quite the right analogy, but get your gist.

A simpler version, is a Spanish player wants to move back to his home town, for one of the few promotions that exist when you're already at a club like Man Utd.

quite hard to put him down for that, and if we get a decent fee we should respect it.
it's Madrid trying to weasel him out on the cheap that rankles.

 

[united_99]

It's not really all about his gf, he would also be close to his family, living again in his home country/town, while at the same time playing for the biggest club in the world. That's a dream scenario which he would be an idiot to not consider at least.

If for example his gf was living in Sevilla and Sevilla would be interested in him but not RM or Barca, then he would hardly be leaving United to join Sevilla just for his gf.

Plus if it was all about his gf he wouldn't have left Atletico and the city Madrid in the first place as a 20 year old as they were already together back then. Now they are 4 years older and still together and at the same time RM are after him. Bad from our point of view, but completely understandable from his if he moves there.

 

[...aka Las Cortinas]

not quite the right analogy, but get your gist.

A simpler version, is a Spanish player wants to move back to his home town, for one of the few promotions that exist when you're already at a club like Man Utd.

quite hard to put him down for that, and if we get a decent fee we should respect it.
it's Madrid trying to weasel him out on the cheap that rankles.

Should we feck, bollcks to what he wants. Our decision on what fee to accept (if any) should not in any way be influenced by what a player under contract wants. If he loves Madrid so much then he should have stayed there when he was the number one keeper earning a very good living at his 'home' club.

The only concern when selling him should be if it benefits us as a club and getting the best deal we can.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Should we feck, bollcks to what he wants. Our decision on what fee to accept (if any) should not in any way be influenced by what a player under contract wants. If he loves Madrid so much then he should have stayed there when he was the number one keeper earning a very good living at his 'home' club.

The only concern when selling him should be if it benefits us as a club and getting the best deal we can.

Of course, we'll try to get as much as we can, but that's not the point that was initially being made.

A 20 year old keeper playing for Atletico Madrid was presented with the opportunity to play for Manchester fecking United, who, at the time, were managed by the best manager of all time (debatable). Only a mad man would pass up that opportunity. Four years on, De Gea has the chance to move back to Spain whilst making a sideways step to another giant corporation, in the form of Real Madrid. If Madrid was in Germany, there's a good chance De Gea wouldn't be moving there. I know for a fact that I would make the all the same choices De Gea has made and wants to make, if I were in his position.

1) Move to Manchester, one of the biggest clubs around.
2) Move back home and still get to play for one of the biggest clubs around. Plus, I get to see my very attractive GF on a daily basis and get to be with my family, in the country of my birth.
3) Seriously, I don't get what's wrong?

 

[...aka Las Cortinas]

Of course, we'll try to get as much as we can, but that's not the point that was initially being made.

A 20 year old keeper playing for Atletico Madrid was presented with the opportunity to play for Manchester fecking United, who, at the time, were managed by the best manager of all time (debatable). Only a mad man would pass up that opportunity. Four years on, De Gea has the chance to move back to Spain whilst making a sideways step to another giant corporation, in the form of Real Madrid. If Madrid was in Germany, there's a good chance De Gea wouldn't be moving there. I know for a fact that I would make the all the same choices De Gea has made and wants to make, if I were in his position.

1) Move to Manchester, one of the biggest clubs around.
2) Move back home and still get to play for one of the biggest clubs around. Plus, I get to see my very attractive GF on a daily basis and get to be with my family, in the country of my birth.
3) Seriously, I don't get what's wrong?

That's all well and good, but that's not what I objected against. Sandikan seemed to suggest we should consider De Gea's feelings in all this and perhaps accept an offer lower than we might otherwise demand, so he can get his move and be happy.

We shouldn't. We set the price for our top asset we've spent a lot of time and resources developing (not to mention the time we stuck with him when he was shit) and if they don't want to pay it, then tough luck for Dave.

 

[Americano]

The twat is back in Manchester?

I think she is staying in Spain.

 

[Antisocial]

Of course, we'll try to get as much as we can, but that's not the point that was initially being made.

A 20 year old keeper playing for Atletico Madrid was presented with the opportunity to play for Manchester fecking United, who, at the time, were managed by the best manager of all time (debatable). Only a mad man would pass up that opportunity. Four years on, De Gea has the chance to move back to Spain whilst making a sideways step to another giant corporation, in the form of Real Madrid. If Madrid was in Germany, there's a good chance De Gea wouldn't be moving there. I know for a fact that I would make the all the same choices De Gea has made and wants to make, if I were in his position.

1) Move to Manchester, one of the biggest clubs around.
2) Move back home and still get to play for one of the biggest clubs around. Plus, I get to see my very attractive GF on a daily basis and get to be with my family, in the country of my birth.
3) Seriously, I don't get what's wrong?

From our view there is nothing wrong with the above (though there obviously is from the view of Atletico), but he has gone about things wrong is by running down his contract. Doing that has meant that Utd are having to deal with fecking Real for once penny-pinching and trying to get him on the cheap - that is the dick move that Utd fans should be pissed-off about.

 

[Varun]

For a club like Real, we have to ask them to pay a fair price simply because they can. I dont see much if anything wrong in how De Gea has handled all this and even his reasons for leave. That doesnt mean we sell him on the cheap though. Madrid have the money, pay up.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

That's all well and good, but that's not what I objected against. Sandikan seemed to suggest we should consider De Gea's feelings in all this and perhaps accept an offer lower than we might otherwise demand, so he can get his move and be happy.

We shouldn't. We set the price for our top asset we've spent a lot of time and resources developing (not to mention the time we stuck with him when he was shit) and if they don't want to pay it, then tough luck for Dave.

Well, Sandikan stated a "decent" fee. That would be one favourable for both Madrid and ourselves. Probably not in the region we'd like, but one that would acceptable for a player in the last year of his contract. Moreover, if we are truly interested in bringing Ramos to Manchester, we should keep our ties with Madrid as strong as possible.

The way I see it, we should be demanding £35m, however, we all know Madrid are highly unlikely to pay that. Therefore, I'd be willing for us to accept a fee of around £25-£30m; anything lower isn't acceptable and De Gea can leave for free, next summer.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

From our view there is nothing wrong with the above (though there obviously is from the view of Atletico), but he has gone about things wrong is by running down his contract. Doing that has meant that Utd are having to deal with fecking Real for once penny-pinching and trying to get him on the cheap - that is the dick move that Utd fans should be pissed-off about.

To be fair to him, if he signs, there's a good chance Real would step back and avoid having to pay a fee closer to around £50m. Therefore, it's in his best interest to not sign an extension, thus pushing Madrid to sign him now or get him on a free, next summer.

Honestly, I'm not entirely fussed as Real could potentially risk another bad year if they don't sort out their keeper position, which is why I expect them to pay a decent fee. If they don't, I won't be insulting De Gea as the man has been like a... god for us.

 

[...aka Las Cortinas]

Well, Sandikan stated a "decent" fee. That would be one favourable for both Madrid and ourselves. Probably not in the region we'd like, but one that would acceptable for a player in the last year of his contract. Moreover, if we are truly interested in bringing Ramos to Manchester, we should keep our ties with Madrid as strong as possible.

The way I see it, we should be demanding £35m, however, we all know Madrid are highly unlikely to pay that. Therefore, I'd be willing for us to accept a fee of around £25-£30m; anything lower isn't acceptable and De Gea can leave for free, next summer.

The only fee we should be accepting is one that is in the region we'd like. Personally, I wouldn't even contemplate selling him unless we got Ramos involved in the deal. The money means feck all to us.

 

[carvajal]

De Gea doesn't care about Atletico,from the moment that he left he didn't have a positive word for his former club,even when they won la liga.Maybe he started in Atletico and probably his family is "colchonera",so what?he is a professional and the challenge of playing in Madrid is more attractive,to play C.L every year,to be 1st option in national team and of course to prove himself against the pressure.Atletico fans won't forgive him?I'm sure that he can live with that.Madrid is not paying probably until Iker is out of the team.Anyway I think that most of madridistas will be equally happy with Navas.If he wants to play here he will wait a year,renewing with a cheap clause.I read that de Gea was nervous and called Mendes, who told him that was being more difficult that expected but would be done this summer

 

[Antisocial]

To be fair to him, if he signs, there's a good chance Real would step back and avoid having to pay a fee closer to around £50m. Therefore, it's in his best interest to not sign an extension, thus pushing Madrid to sign him now or get him on a free, next summer.

Honestly, I'm not entirely fussed as Real could potentially risk another bad year if they don't sort out their keeper position, which is why I expect them to pay a decent fee. If they don't, I won't be insulting De Gea as the man has been like a... god for us.

I understand why he has chosen to do it - but it is still a dick move to us because we are faced with losing a world-class talent for well under his value directly because he has run down his contract. His motivation is irrelevant - the result is that he has screwed Utd by acting as he has, and our fans have every right to call him out on it.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

I understand why he has chosen to do it - but it is still a dick move to us because we are faced with losing a world-class talent for well under his value directly because he has run down his contract. His motivation is irrelevant - the result is that he has screwed Utd by acting as he has, and our fans have every right to call him out on it.

That's the question, though. Does he put himself in front of the club, or vice versa? When I make a choice in my life, one that has a direct affect on my career, I look out for my well being, first. That's what De Gea has done, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Why should he make a decision that would, possibly, hinder a move to Real Madrid just so that it benefits the club? He has set his sights on a move to Spain, and signing a contract extension, to keep the club and fans happy, would probably block that move from taking place.

 

[Antisocial]

That's the question, though. Does he put himself in front of the club, or vice versa? When I make a choice in my life, one that has a direct affect on my career, I look out for my well being, first. That's what De Gea has done, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Why should he make a decision that would, possibly, hinder a move to Real Madrid just so that it benefits the club? He has set his sights on a move to Spain, and signing a contract extension, to keep the club and fans happy, would probably block that move from taking place.

As I say he is perfectly entitled to do that if he wishes, but we as fans of the club losing out are equally entitled to be angry about it. I've not calling for him to be lynched, but I did expect better and his exit on these terms does affect how I will remember him. The obvious (and oft-cited) example is Ronaldo, who in the horrible way he forced his move at least did it with decent time left on his contract to get us an acceptable fee for his quality.

We've been trying to get DDG to extend since 2013, suggesting this has been planned by his side for a while, so the situation has not just happened. Again, he can chose to do it like that if he wants, but United fans are perfectly justified to call him on it.

 

[Lawman]

He's a footballer. He goes where he's told by his agent or where he wants to go.
The only dicks are you guys who expect him to turn down RM because he played for AM. Whoopy fecking do

Really?