ask yourself though, would an unfocused de gea make as many errors as Romero?
De Gea Contract Situation
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''What is it supposed to achieve other than making you sound like you're being a twat?''
Maybe if I was acting like an emotional little girl I would get responses like that, but its just you, so carry on sweet cheeks.
De Gea is not focused on the game because of all the speculation, speculation he could have ended months ago as I've said in my other posts. We could have signed a replacement, he would be in Madrid and everyone is happy.
Regarding Valdes, the same Valdes that thought he was too big to play for the reserves when we'd given him his rehab and training? That LVG's fault aswell is it?
Apologies, I mistook you for someone with a brain.
True. Neither of us know. But in answer to your question "what better way?", the obvious one is to let the window close. If he is still here and the chance of him moving to Madrid is gone, he will have nothing more to think about except his football. That is what gives me hope that this will be OK in the end.
The idea that he will sit and sulk for an entire season is ludicrous.
But yes, it is a shame this was not resolved weeks ago. I wish we had set a deadline for it, probably being last weekend or some time this week, so we started the season with everyone knowing exactly where they stood.
I don't see how dropping him is supposed to achieve anything, De Gea is a pro and would still give us better than Romero even if he wants to go to Real Madrid.
Yes, when your club needs to make cuts you play your part like you do in real life jobs.
Yes, when your club needs to make cuts you play your part like you do in real life jobs.
I agree that even with a supposed lack of focus, De Gea is still likely to be our best keeper. I only believe Van Gaal is dropping him for this reason because its Van Gaal. If it was anyone else I would write it off as almost certainly mind games. I am sure for the duration of a game De Gea would be quite capable of maintaining his focus. It might have affected his training, and may therefore affect his performance on the day, having undermined his preparation. But De Gea at 70% is still likely to be better than any alternative we have in the circumstances.
I agree
No, you mistook me for someone who cares about anything you have to say.
Its nothing to do with "focus", its LVG and United telling DDG who is in charge. Give him a taste of the bench and let him run to Madrid crying and telling them that they need to shell out the money to get him. If Madrid dont cough up when he is desperate and crying he might just think twice about them and their seriousness about him. If they do not play ball, the sensible advice from his agent will be to sign the new contract with us (of which the agent no doubt gets a cut). He wants to play in the Euros next summer, so needs regular game time.
It's the right call. LvG knows if de Gea is in the right frame of mind to play or not. It also sends a message to him.
Nah fairly sure it was the brain thing.
I worry with the back 5, serious concerns. Spurs will be tough, the biggest worry is the way we could set up. If romero and blind are in the heart of the defense, he is messing round with the midfield, its a head scratcher. I do worry with our back 5, a top 4 easy, winning a PL title different ball game if the defense is not strengthened
Would a deadline have achieved anything, though? Both clubs know he wants out. Once Madrid get Ramos to commit to a new deal, which seems likely, the only card we have left to play is refusing to let him go, regardless of what happens. Personally I think a fit and focussed De Gea is worth far more to us than the difference between the price we'd get for him and what we'd have to pay for a replacement, bearing in mind the settling in period. In fact, I'd go as far as to say he's worth more than any price we could realistically get for him this summer. We're in the unenviable position of knowing that regardless of who we replace him with, we'll be considerably weaker in the goalkeeping position probably for a number of years.
If he ends up at Madrid for what will probably be a middling price and we don't get Ramos, people will probably criticise Ed for getting it wrong. I suspect it's not nearly so straightforward.
Pretty infuriating from LVG to drop DDG unless there's more going on behind-the-scenes that we aren't privy to. DDG is by far our best goalkeeper, regardless whether or not his head has been turned. Very disappointing.
What is it that people don't get about this? His head is not on it = dropped. You want him to play someone who blatantly isn't ready now?
I would disagree with that. Without getting into semantics about %s the difference between great and merely good professional athletes in any sport is actually quite fine and mental focus is absolutely critical. A great athlete whose head isn't in the game can easily be passed out by the pack (Tiger Woods being a good example)
This is particularly important in nets, where focus and concentration is more important than in other positions, who see more of the ball.
Hmmmm... has a player ever been dropped due to his head "not being in it" during a period of transfer speculation and NOT end up being sold? Berba at Spurs comes to mind right away.
This isn't a case where De Gea has lost a goldfish and he's flushing it down the bog on Saturday afternoon, thus he's a bit miffed. Here's someone who since last year has expected to be living back in the place he was born, with his family, with a girlfriend who has her heart set on leaving. He thought he'd be there now, to get the big reveal and have all the fanfare. He's pretty much had his life planned out for the next decade, thinking he was going back home. And he sees time ticking on that, and is still clueless to whether he's going to be in Manchester until next summer, or where he expected to be. Back in Madrid. Not forgetting that, if this was David Beckham they were after or a superstar name of that ilk, Madrid would have went far above the usual to get him. Yes they want him, but usually if Madrid want you bad, they have you. His head must be fecked up with all this. We as fans have been biting our nails not know what is going on, so imagine what he is thinking? Chances are, he doesnt give a feck about playing on Saturday, because he doesnt plan on being here by Septemeber.
Adding to that, he had a nightmare against PSG. His concentration looked shot. And who knows what he's been like in training. Or the attitude he's been giving in meetings regarding his future. This is obviously not a case of "he's upset, lets drop him." He's trained all week. Something must have happened. LVG isn't a the Chief Executive. He's the manager. If he doesnt like what he is seeing from De Gea in training, he shouldnt play.
Adding to that, he had a nightmare against PSG. His concentration looked shot. And who knows what he's been like in training. Or the attitude he's been giving in meetings regarding his future. This is obviously not a case of "he's upset, lets drop him." He's trained all week. Something must have happened. LVG isn't a the Chief Executive. He's the manager. If he doesnt like what he is seeing from De Gea in training, he shouldnt play.
Wasn't Schneiderlin dropped last season?
And how do you know this? Are you basing this solely on LVG's say-so? After all, it's not as if he's never made any head-scratching decisions before. I'd fully expect DDG to act a professional and be able to put the transfer saga aside for a couple hours on Saturday. By far our best option at goalkeeper even under current circumstances. If someone isn't ready, I'd wager it'd be the player who just joined the club a week ago on a free.
So someone cannot be simply mentally ready? Fergie dropped Rooney for the same reason and before that he dropped Beckham and RvN so get a grip.
Another ludicrous statement seeing as we have Johnstone and Lindegaard.
We'll see, but fully expect LVG to go with Romero on Saturday.
Agreed. Valdes was a potentially important asset and he burned that bridge. I guess that's just how Van Gaal deals with players. I don't like it.
To your first question, I dont know. Maybe not. But if it was credible, and DDG believed us when we said, after this date, there would be no deal so he could put it out of his mind, maybe it would.
To the rest of your post, especially the bit in bold, I completely agree.
In light of what LVG said about him and if R.Madrid doesn't cough up the cash until the transfer window, will DDG be able to re-focus ?
But who do we have as options? An inexperienced keeper, one who is new to the league (and no great shakes anyway), one who has already been publicly criticised by the manager and who therefore have as much reason to lack focus as De Gea, and one who knows the manager has no faith in him whatsoever and has been overlooked to the point that he is essentially not part of the squad at all.
Im just not sure which of those I would rather have in goal than De Gea tomorrow. I guess I dont know how bad this loss of focus is. I find it hard to take it seriously to be honest, I think it is more Van Gaal being difficult than anything. I find it hard to believe De Gea has anything going on in his head which would be a greater hindrance to him than the shit the others would be carrying. If we had a clear, settled number 2 it would be different. But we dont. As Noodle said earlier, we have 5 keepers and yet nobody to play in goal for us tomorrow.
looks like he's gone soon: http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...bout-potential-signings-in-two-positions.aspx
I'd take either of those two over a keeper who either doesn't want to play or who is so distracted by events in Spain he's lost his focus. Put it this way, I reckon Sam Johnston would have dealt with PSG's first goal better than De Gea did.
Maybe youre right. But as I said, I just dont know how serious this issue with DDG's focus is. I dont read anything into pre season friendly performances (I didnt see it, but I wouldnt anyway), and I dont believe De Gea doesnt want to play - not until someone shows me something credible that says that. I could of course be completely wrong but I think it is Van Gaal who is dropping him, not De Gea who has indicated he doesnt want to play. If it transpires Im wrong then fair enough.
But anyway, Van Gaal will do what he thinks is best and in the absence of any actual knowledge of who said what, who thinks what, who wants to do what or who is or is not focused on their job, Ill just have to trust him to make the right call. (And yes, his call will be to do what you said: if he said he wont play De Gea he wont.)
What's wrong with footballers nowadays? You signed a contract, it must have crossed you're mind that one of the 2 Spanish clubs might have come in for you. What did you think would happen? You've only one year left, be fcuking professional about it and crack on... boohoo. Your heads not in it?
People have to work in real bad situations for a lot less money. Only difference is if their head isn't in it, they get the sack.
People have to work in real bad situations for a lot less money. Only difference is if their head isn't in it, they get the sack.
Pedro and Lloris?
Yeah, there's a lot unknown here. I just think the compassionate way he talked about De Gea (in contrast to Valdes) makes it seem like his decision has been influenced by the wishes of the player. If he was dropping him to teach him a lesson or as some kind of power play I reckon his words would have been a lot harsher.
This is the part that I'm curious about. What are we basing this on? The goal against PSG where he could have done better? Because I seem to remember the game before against Barcelona, he made a couple of cracking saves. Really think he'd be able to put this aside and be a pro. Then again, we don't know what LVG is seeing in training. But even so, I'd be tempted to give DDG a shot against Tottehnam.
Pedro and Cillesen.
IMO, he'll be sold this transfer window. A player who wants out is not good for team morale. Imagine him signing a pre-contract with Real in January, how would this refllect on his performances and the team? He's gone. The best what we can do is to sell him for 25 mil. EUR + Navas.
You make a very good point. Just don't know where this leaves us. Surely this means DDG is out the door.
If he is a professional he will perform. Lewandowski had no problem with it and if he wants to be Spain's number one he shouldn't drop a level or 2.
Oh I dont think its that. I think its because he thinks what you implied in one of your earlier posts: his head isnt right and its affecting his performances, and like you said, another, lesser keeper will play better than him. This little conversation was about whether that is right or not, we disagree (though I dont have a very strong conviction about it). But on the bigger point that has been debated in this thread much of the day, I dont think he has any grudge against De Gea - and I dont think De Gea has any grudge against him or the club. Ergo, once the window closes and the uncertainty goes away, his focus will come back and he will get back to his best. Hopefully he will be playing for us.
It seems likely but, as @Adebesi says, it will be a very different scenario if he's still here when the transfer window closes.
If de gea wasn't benched then half the team who needs a contract would act the same and start flirting with clubs. This is a lesson & nothing more. Similar to how a teacher gives detention for a student who comes in late.
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