De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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Is De Gea worth £25m to us for season. Effectively £500k per week.

If you think he is the difference between a guaranteed top 4 place and guaranteed missing out then probably just about.
 
I'm off, can't take it any longer.

Going to relax a bit by coding an algorithm to find the SCC in a graph.

@JPRouve and @shamans , it is never too late to go at school.
 
Dreaded said:
Is De Gea worth £25m to us for season. Effectively £500k per week.

If you think he is the difference between a guaranteed top 4 place and guaranteed missing out then probably just about.
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Predicated on us getting 25m, what I was originally saying is that Madrid at this point don't want to pay that...

I'm guessing that if they did then DDG would be packing as we speak.
 
For me being over fifty having seen the ups and down's of United sometimes it's quiet comical and frustrating read some comments, sometimes to the point I dont visit the forum.
 
We've reached peak RedCafe here.
 
I have no idea why I just read all of that...
 
When you buy an asset for 25 mil, you arent losing 25 mil...you are replacing an asset(cash) for another asset( the player), so in accounting terms you are neither better or worse off..the subsequent perfomance of that new asset doesnt matter on the day you initially recognize it...
 
I'd just like to say the notation over the course of the previous pages have been absolutely appalling. I expected more from mathematicians at least.
Revan said:
@JPRouve and @shamans , it is never too late to go at school.
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Also this type of statement annoys me seeing as you could do with a bit of work on your prepositions.

Anyway, De Gea is clearly in a quantum state given by a linear combination of being a Manchester United player and a Real Madrid player.

\psi_{De Gea}=a*\psi_{MAU}+b*\psi_{RMA}, where a and b are constants.

If we solve the time-dependent Schrödinger equation for this system by use of the Hamiltonian given by... nah feck it. I'm not sure quantum mechanics is the best way to describe the situation of football players.
 
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sammsky1 said:
Agreed!


Though surely Lindegaard and Valdes will be off the books by the end of this window?
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It's bad management. De Gea should have signed an extended contract beginning of last season. Lindegaard has been surplus to requirements since last January. Valdes has fallen out with management. Sam Johnston is hanging around to see what happens in the next few weeks. Seems we'll still be looking for another goalkeeper. Ramos I imagine is 2nd choice if as expected De Gea moves to Madrid.
 
There's nothing wrong with what @JPRouve and @shamans have been saying, it's opportunity cost. For instance, you give up a job paying $2000 to start a business which makes a profit of $1000. You're making a loss of $1000 because of the opportunity cost in terms of the income foregone in the alternative job.

DDG's value isn't as black or white but the concept definitely isn't wrong.

To get back on topic, I suspect he will be forced to stay if Real don't match our valuation.
 
MelvinYeo said:
There's nothing wrong with what @JPRouve and @shamans have been saying, it's opportunity cost. For instance, you give up a job paying $2000 to start a business which makes a profit of $1000. You're making a loss of $1000 because of the opportunity cost in terms of the income foregone in the alternative job.

DDG's value isn't as black or white but the concept definitely isn't wrong.

To get back on topic, I suspect he will be forced to stay if Real don't match our valuation.
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The problem is that 'Vidic' considered it as a straight loss, which is wrong it's 25m. But I see where he considers that it's 50m. I tried to explain that but failed miserably.
 
Sultan said:
It's bad management. De Gea should have signed an extended contract beginning of last season. Lindegaard has been surplus to requirements since last January. Valdes has fallen out with management. Sam Johnston is hanging around to see what happens in the next few weeks. Seems we'll still be looking for another goalkeeper. Ramos I imagine is 2nd choice if as expected De Gea moves to Madrid.
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De Gea didn't accept the contract extension.
We tried to offload Lindegaard in the last summer, but no-one wanted him.
Agree about Valdez, but then if he refused to play for the reserves, he is at fault. Needs to get shipped.
I think that Johnstone will go on loan.

Ideally, we'll keep De Gea and Romero for the next season and offload Lindegaard and Valdez. At worst case, keep Lindegaard as third keeper (he is on smaller wage). If De Gea leaves, I think that we'll go for a first choice keeper with Romero as backup.

Regardless of what happens, I think that Valdez will be off, Johnstone will go on loan, while Lindegaard hopefully will be off.

It is quite funny though that we seems to be looking for a new keeper, while we have 5 keepers and we have already offloaded one (Amos). In truth, we have signed two backup keepers after the first one refused to play. It could happen.
 
Revan said:
De Gea didn't accept the contract extension.
We tried to offload Lindegaard in the last summer, but no-one wanted him.
Agree about Valdez, but then if he refused to play for the reserves, he is at fault. Needs to get shipped.
I think that Johnstone will go on loan.

Ideally, we'll keep De Gea and Romero for the next season and offload Lindegaard and Valdez. At worst case, keep Lindegaard as third keeper (he is on smaller wage). If De Gea leaves, I think that we'll go for a first choice keeper with Romero as backup.

Regardless of what happens, I think that Valdez will be off, Johnstone will go on loan, while Lindegaard hopefully will be off.

It is quite funny though that we seems to be looking for a new keeper, while we have 5 keepers and we have already offloaded one (Amos). In truth, we have signed two backup keepers after the first one refused to play. It could happen.
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I don't think De Gea was awarded a contract extension. Moyes was sacked and LvG wanted to assess players. You may have misunderstood my post as meaning this summer.
 
Sultan said:
I don't think De Gea was awarded a contract extension. Moyes was sacked and LvG wanted to assess players. You may have misunderstood my post as meaning this summer.
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Probably not in the summer, but there was definitely talk on us offering him a contract in the early stages of last season (probably October or so).
 
Revan said:
I'm off, can't take it any longer.

Going to relax a bit by coding an algorithm to find the SCC in a graph.

@JPRouve and @shamans , it is never too late to go at school.
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Jed I. Knight said:
OK, I'm out before I start calling @shamans names. Good luck @Revan , you're in charge of educating the mathematically and economically challenged ones now.
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Haha, it's my mistake trying to bring some basic knowledge to a football forum. Stop being so stubborn in life. Loosen up. Relax. I only wanted to introduce you guys to a concept you clearly had no idea about (and there's nothing wrong with that. There's a ton of things I don't know that both of you probably do). We all have our fields of expertise. You'll always stay at your level if you're so stubborn with listening to other people.
 
Easily worse than the Bundesliga thread where there was a 4 page argument over the financial power of Germany vs Britain
 
JPRouve said:
It's a delta, the delta between selling now or not selling, is 50m.
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I know I'm late to the party, but either he's a 25m asset or he isn't. If we're assuming he's a 25m asset (don't give a shit about the actual numer) selling him for that will be breaking even. Letting him go on a free and the value is lost - it's not a double negative.
 
shamans said:
Haha, it's my mistake trying to bring some basic knowledge to a football forum. Stop being so stubborn in life. Loosen up. Relax. I only wanted to introduce you guys to a concept you clearly had no idea about (and there's nothing wrong with that. There's a ton of things I don't know that both of you probably do). We all have our fields of expertise. You'll always stay at your level if you're so stubborn with listening to other people.
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Stop teasing them. :)
 
JPRouve said:
Stop teasing them. :)
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I was genuinely not. They both posted comments like "educated the mathematically challenged" and "go back to school". It's really childish and shows their mentality - just wanting to prove/believe that they are the smartest here and know everything. It shouldn't be like that. It is/was just a discussion. Anyway, I said what I had to. I personally always try to learn something from debates rather than end it with "haha you're just dumb to understand bro".
 
To get back on topic: I don't really care about the financial cost of this. United are a big enough club. Make him stay for a year and who knows he might even turn it around.
 
shamans said:
Haha, it's my mistake trying to bring some basic knowledge to a football forum. Stop being so stubborn in life. Loosen up. Relax. I only wanted to introduce you guys to a concept you clearly had no idea about (and there's nothing wrong with that. There's a ton of things I don't know that both of you probably do). We all have our fields of expertise. You'll always stay at your level if you're so stubborn with listening to other people.
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Don't try to act smart. Everyone knows what is 'oppurtunity cost', you're hardly going to win a Nobel prize by mentioning it. It is something that is teached in any microeconomics course.


MelvinYeo said:
There's nothing wrong with what @JPRouve and @shamans have been saying, it's opportunity cost. For instance, you give up a job paying $2000 to start a business which makes a profit of $1000. You're making a loss of $1000 because of the opportunity cost in terms of the income foregone in the alternative job.

DDG's value isn't as black or white but the concept definitely isn't wrong.

To get back on topic, I suspect he will be forced to stay if Real don't match our valuation.
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For simplicity, lets not account wages. Lets say that De Gea is better 10m than the new keeper we'll sign.

The oppurtunity cost in selling De Gea is 10m.
The oppurtunity cost on keeping De Gea is 25m.

The difference on keeping De Gea instead of selling him is 25m - 10m, not 25m + 10m.

That is why 'vidic' original post that we're losing 50m in not selling him is fundamentally wrong. In reality we are losing 25m for not selling him, but gaining 10m for keeping and playing him. So, it would be 15m instead of 35m.
 
Maagge said:
I'd just like to say the notation over the course of the previous pages have been absolutely appalling. I expected more from mathematicians at least.

Also this type of statement annoys me seeing as you could do with a bit of work on your prepositions.

Anyway, De Gea is clearly in a quantum state described by a linear combination of being a Manchester United player and a Real Madrid player.

\psi_{De Gea}=a*\psi_{MAU}+b*\psi_{RMA}, where a and b are constants.

If we solve the time-dependent Schrödinger equation for this system by use of the Hamiltonian given by... nah feck it. I'm not sure quantum mechanics is the best way to describe the situation of football players.
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'Kinell :lol::lol::lol:
 
shaman and jpr can you give us the transfer formula. It'll make all of our lives easier in subsequent transfer windows. Think about it, we hear some speculation or see a tweet, put the details into a formula and get the likelihood of a transfer coming off and what price it would be.

Can call it the Muppet Equation...
 
Wow, this thread.

By the way, season has started and De Gea is still here. Therefore, the people answering 'no' in the poll are wrong.
 
afrocentricity said:
shaman and jpr can you give us the transfer formula. It'll make all of our lives easier in subsequent transfer windows. Think about it, we hear some speculation or see a tweet, put the details into a formula and get the likelihood of a transfer coming off and what price it would be.

Can call it the Muppet Equation...
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I never said that it was the correct way of thinking, just that I see where his 50m come from.
 
You people are nuts.
 
shamans said:
I think the point JPRouce is trying to make is in terms of economics.

If you have the opportunity to sell him right now (for 25 Million) but you chose not to and let him go on a free, you are losing 25 million pounds in this scenario. He's taking an economics approach to it.

Think of it this way, our new replacement can either be covered by the De Gea fee and cost us zero

OR

Our new replacement will cost us 25 million and an asset worth 25 million.

However, I think the figures are slightly off and De Gea staying here for a year might earn us some money by winning trophies here.

hope @Revan and @Jed I. Knight understand now.
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Actually no. In this first case, our new asset will cost us an asset worth 25 million (DDG).
 
Is there a scenario where De Gea changes his mind during the season and sign a new contract?
 
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