De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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JPRouve said:
Is there a scenario where De Gea changes his mind during the season and sign a new contract?
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We'd be looking at conditional probability where the probability of event A (De Gea staying) is dependent on the occurrence of event B (enter event here):

P(A/B) = P(AnB)/P(B)

Edit: Given that there is no seemingly possible event that will convince De Gea to stay B = 0 and therefore, the probability of De Gea staying = 0.
 
shamans said:
Haha, it's my mistake trying to bring some basic knowledge to a football forum. Stop being so stubborn in life. Loosen up. Relax. I only wanted to introduce you guys to a concept you clearly had no idea about (and there's nothing wrong with that. There's a ton of things I don't know that both of you probably do). We all have our fields of expertise. You'll always stay at your level if you're so stubborn with listening to other people.
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I like your attempted use of rhetorical devices here, A for effort!

@Maagge Schrödinger :lol: I think you've hit the nail here, it's impossible to figure out pluses and minuses without bringing Schrödinger into the equation!
 
K2K said:
When you buy an asset for 25 mil, you arent losing 25 mil...you are replacing an asset(cash) for another asset( the player), so in accounting terms you are neither better or worse off..the subsequent perfomance of that new asset doesnt matter on the day you initially recognize it...
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If you come to the conclusion that the Fair Value paid for that asset is below the purchase Price you might have to recognize a day 1 loss which would directly hit your PL Statement.
Even if you assume that Fair Value and Purchase Price are equal you might run into impairments afterwards as soon as you realize that their is a Trigger to do so.
Cash is more or less the only asset for which Fair Value and Book Value are always equal.
 
MelvinYeo said:
There's nothing wrong with what @JPRouve and @shamans have been saying, it's opportunity cost. For instance, you give up a job paying $2000 to start a business which makes a profit of $1000. You're making a loss of $1000 because of the opportunity cost in terms of the income foregone in the alternative job.

DDG's value isn't as black or white but the concept definitely isn't wrong.

To get back on topic, I suspect he will be forced to stay if Real don't match our valuation.
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In relevant costing principles, if he stays, we are getting a 200k goalkeeper for just 60k a week..so effectively we are making a saving on that salary, as that is the incremental amount between keeping him or selling him and getting another 200k keeper..although , there is the small matter of the forgone transfer fee..
 
Di Maria's angel said:
We'd be looking at conditional probability where the probability of event A (De Gea staying) is dependent on the occurrence of event B (enter event here):

P(A/B) = P(AnB)/P(B)

Edit: Given that there is no seemingly possible event that will convince De Gea to stay B = 0 and therefore, the probability of De Gea staying = 0.
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:lol:
Have you adjusted for the tweets vs wummery?
 
pierrethesnack said:
You make it sound like she was forced to eat Steak&Ale pies and deep fried Mars bars every day, with nothing but old Fawlty Towers episoded on the TV :lol:
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:lol: According to some journos she was miserable, I don't know what you guys did to her.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
We'd be looking at conditional probability where the probability of event A (De Gea staying) is dependent on the occurrence of event B (enter event here):

P(A/B) = P(AnB)/P(B)

Edit: Given that there is no seemingly possible event that will convince De Gea to stay B = 0 and therefore, the probability of De Gea staying = 0.
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What if Edmure leaves De Gea?
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
If you come to the conclusion that the Fair Value paid for that asset is below the purchase Price you might have to recognize a day 1 loss which would directly hit your PL Statement.
Even if you assume that Fair Value and Purchase Price are equal you might run into impairments afterwards as soon as you realize that their is a Trigger to do so.
Cash is more or less the only asset for which Fair Value and Book Value are always equal.
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But very few assets are measured at fair value on acquisition, usually just financial instruments..a contract with the player is more likely to be an intangible , which we would measure at cost..Although you are right about possible impairment.. but assuming the new keeper is a goalkeeping sensation that plays so well from day 1, then the value of the asset would remain at cost with no impairment..
 
afrocentricity said:
Throw in some squiggles and a nike tick, that might do it... You need shaman on this, he knows his shit...
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y = mx + c, I'm thinking. Where y = transfer probability, m = player (how much does the player want to leave), x = buying team (bigger the team, higher the number), c = number of tweets.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I should probably explain my use of the above equation, however, it would derail this thread, further.

Please stay De Gea.
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Tell me when you arrive in Paris, I'll take care of you golden number style.:mad:
 
I think you need to take into consideration that there are multiple universes for each outcome, there is in fact a universe in which LVG dons a blonde wig and belts out 'I will always love you' by Whitney H, winning DDGs heart. Lets call that variable sigma subscript ex...

continue.
 
afrocentricity said:
I think you need to take into consideration that there are multiple universes for each outcome, there is in fact a universe in which LVG dons a blonde wig and belts out 'I will always love you' by Whitney H, winning DDGs heart. Lets call that variable sigma subscript ex...

continue.
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We are looking at probabilites with so many variables which makes predicting the outcome very difficult. The probability of LvG finding this wonder woman, if I may, is very low. Therefore the chances of him staying are not increased. Unless...

Someone from the Caf is willing to take the role this woman, obviously, a blonde female member.

The law of De Gea.
 
K2K said:
But very few assets are measured at fair value on acquisition, usually just financial instruments..a contract with the player is more likely to be an intangible , which we would measure at cost..Although you are right about possible impairment.. but assuming the new keeper is a goalkeeping sensation that plays so well from day 1, then the value of the asset would remain at cost with no impairment..
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If we account for the keeper as intangible asset with indefinite useful life we will have to run an impairment test at least every 12 months. In case the Value in Use (respectively the higher amount of this or the Fair Value less costs to sell) is below the carrying amount we would Need to impair.
However I guess we would amortize the asset over its lifetime (lifetime of the contract?) so there would be some Kind of amortization.

Money does not Impact the PL unless we are talking about foreign currency amounts.
 
I can't tell if you guys are wumming on a higher level than the rest of us or if you're serious. @K2K

I also think a Lionel Richie song might be more effective. I think DDG and LVG would appreciate the work you are putting in behind scenes... @Di Maria's angel
 
K2K said:
I think he realizes the possibilty of being benched all season is real..if Romero does well, and Real dont pay up..he's staying in the team...
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I just read that article and no doubt the Mail have sensationalised bits. But I'm curious as to how the sources in 'Madrid' know that he's training well? And also having the audacity to say he wants to play but still expects to go the Madrid by the end of the transfer window:rolleyes:
If this is true he's really taking the piss - give me everything I want while you know I'm still fecking off.... footballers are a law unto themselves.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
If we account for the keeper as intangible asset with indefinite useful life we will have to run an impairment test at least every 12 months. In case the Value in Use (respectively the higher amount of this or the Fair Value less costs to sell) is below the carrying amount we would Need to impair.
However I guess we would amortize the asset over its lifetime (lifetime of the contract?) so there would be some Kind of amortization.

Money does not Impact the PL unless we are talking about foreign currency amounts.
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Its the contract that would be amortized though, so the value would go down over the life of contract..but then because of his brilliant perfomances in our European cup win, He'll enter into a new contract which will be recognized at a higher amount..And as he will win us trophies, his value in use ,considering the prize money he wins us, will exceed the fair value less costs to sell..Thus his recoverable amount will gladly exceed the carrying amount each year..



Or De Gea could just stay..
 
Jazz said:
I just read that article and no doubt the Mail have sensationalised bits. But I'm curious as to how the sources in 'Madrid' know that he's training well? And also having the audacity to say he wants to play but still expects to go the Madrid by the end of the transfer window:rolleyes:
If this is true he's really taking the piss - give me everything I want while you know I'm still fecking off.... footballers are a law unto themselves.
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Jorge Mendez has good contacts within the media, for example Duncan Castles ...so that message has come from someone..I really think that De Gea has tried to play us here, its just not come off as he and Mendez expected..If Romero stays decent, Id play him..That ramps up the pressure on the De Gea camp
 
afrocentricity said:
I can't tell if you guys are wumming on a higher level than the rest of us or if you're serious. @K2K

I also think a Lionel Richie song might be more effective. I think DDG and LVG would appreciate the work you are putting in behind scenes... @Di Maria's angel
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All these probability equations got me thinking.

What if we applied the space time continuum by entering a black hole. Obviously, we would go to space, enter the hole and, through the fourth dimension, find our way to De Geas bookshelf and warn him of this transfer through binary code.
 
K2K said:
Jorge Mendez has good contacts within the media, for example Duncan Castles ...so that message has come from someone..I really think that De Gea has tried to play us here, its just not come off as he and Mendez expected..If Romero stays decent, Id play him..That ramps up the pressure on the De Gea camp
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Agree with you 100% that he and Mendes have tried to play us. Honestly, De Gea seems really sneaky to me (much to my disappointment). However, on the transfer twitter thread there's something about Ed Woodward taking an aggressive stance with Madrid on the situation and that he's being stubborn about it. The fact is, Woodward is the one that will decide what he wants to do - not LVG - no way LVG can interfere at that level as Woodward would have none of that. But of course, Mendes cannot go after the man who holds the pursestrings so LVG will be getting all the flack.
It's a very unfortunate situation.
 
K2K said:
Jorge Mendez has good contacts within the media, for example Duncan Castles ...so that message has come from someone..I really think that De Gea has tried to play us here, its just not come off as he and Mendez expected..If Romero stays decent, Id play him..That ramps up the pressure on the De Gea camp
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Maybe if we Keep playing Romero (assumed he is doing well) most of the time RM will lose interest in DdG. Maybe they won`t sign a keeper who spent most of the last season on the bench on high wages?
 
Jazz said:
Agree with you 100% that he and Mendes have tried to play us. Honestly, De Gea seems really sneaky to me (much to my disappointment). However, on the transfer twitter thread there's something about Ed Woodward taking an aggressive stance with Madrid on the situation and that he's being stubborn about it. The fact is, Woodward is the one that will decide what he wants to do - not LVG - no way LVG can interfere at that level as Woodward would have none of that. But of course, Mendes cannot go after the man who holds the pursestrings so LVG will be getting all the flack.
It's a very unfortunate situation.
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I think that LVG probably has Woody's permission to drop him...I honestly do not believe that De Gea made his decision not to sign this year..He made this decision long ago, especially as we have been offering the extension for almost two years now..I think we need a new stance, you sign a renewal if you have two years left on your contract or are sold/benched..We should learn from this.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
Maybe if we Keep playing Romero (assumed he is doing well) most of the time RM will lose interest in DdG. Maybe they won`t sign a keeper who spent most of the last season on the bench on high wages?
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Of course this is a possibility...

Dave is so selfish man. We don't need this shite at the moment. We need to be concentrating on making a good start to the season plus getting through our CL qualifier. Quite frankly, I wouldn't trust him to do the right thing if we play him. I know it sounds super suspicious but I don't trust him and his agent.
 
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