De Gea Contract Situation

[Sultan]

I can bring threads up with Woodward being most peoples fall guy. Now he's buying a few players, and splashing the cash he's a genius. By all accounts his mojo is negotiating commercial contracts.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

I can bring threads up with Woodward being most peoples fall guy. Now he's buying a few players, and splashing the cash he's a genius. By all accounts his mojo is negotiating commercial contracts.

I think he's not a genious but this year he has done a very good job. We didnt splash cash and didnt go for 'his fantasy'.
I agree its mostly black and white with football fans.

 

[Ixion]

Woodward has done a good job this summer, I don't see how anyone can argue that. Good prices for all our signings, all completed early, and got a good price for Di Maria all things considered.

 

[Revan]

I can bring threads up with Woodward being most peoples fall guy. Now he's buying a few players, and splashing the cash he's a genius. By all accounts his mojo is negotiating commercial contracts.

There was un unwritten rule to not criticize the manager when Moyes took charge (obviously, it didn't last long). After the transfer fiasco, someone was to be blamed, so people blamed Woodward. Anyway since then we saw many reports that Moyes wanted to go with the double bid for Fellaini and Baines which failed, and that we had transfers already which Moyes vetoed. And then we saw that Woody can do the job fast, both in transfers and in managers.

 

[sammsky1]

But Sir Alex got £80M for Ronaldo. We ain't getting shit for De Gea. I also didn't say we wouldn't sell to them. The point is Real do not want to give us any kind of reasonable fee. They want to give us much less than what we paid for him - that's the issue.

I think Madrid think they are offering a fair sum, given his contract status. In the past, Manchester United have been happy to enjoy much cheaper last year contract players like Kagawa.

I don't think we should sell and it's our prerogative to charge whatever we like, but its double standards by United fans to claim Madrid are being unrealistic or unprofessional. In their opinion, they are paying market value for a player in the last year of his contract.

 

[Revan]

I think Madrid think they are offering a fair sum, given his contract status. In the past, Manchester United have been happy to enjoy much cheaper last year contract players like Kagawa.

No, they're not. They have offered so far 13m.

We gave BVB 12m straight to Kagawa, with the transfer potentially rising to 18m. We gave 18m to Villa for Young. De Gea is a player miles better than any of them, and United is a stronger financial team (i.e can afford to keep players in the last year of contract more than those two clubs).

I think that anything below 25m for De Gea should not even be considered.

 

[sammsky1]

Has there ever been a top international player been left on the bench for a full season? It certainly won't happen in this instance. United will have to sell or give up on 20/30 Million. I'm realistic enough to accept money and player power usually win.

I see you're becoming a cynic these days my friend?

 

[Sultan]

No, they're not. They have offered so far 13m.

We gave BVB 12m straight to Kagawa, with the transfer potentially rising to 18m. We gave 18m to Villa for Young. De Gea is a player miles better than any of them, and United is a stronger financial team (i.e can afford to keep players in the last year of contract more than those two clubs).

I think that anything below 25m for De Gea should not even be considered.

It's Madrid's prerogative to offer whatever they want. United are in a situation where they can take what's offered or let him leave for free next summer or even January for a nominal fee. I'm not sure what United offered or paid to players in the past has any relevance to this deal.

 

[Sultan]

I see you're becoming a cynic these days my friend?

Salaams brother. I'm just being realistic. History proves player power wins in the end.

 

[Revan]

It's Madrid's prerogative to offer whatever they want. United are in a situation where they can take what's offered or let him leave for free next summer or even January for a nominal fee. I'm not sure what United offered or paid to players in the past has any relevance to this deal.

And United has financial means to keep him for an another year, on 3m per year. If De Gea accepted last year his 200k/week contract and lets say we would sell him next summer for 30m, we would have got 30m from his sale but on the other side he would be on 140k/week than he is for one and a half year. That is more than 10m increase in wages, added to signing on fee.

Point is, if Madrid doesn't up their offer (lets say they won't offer anything more than 20m) we would probably be better on keeping De Gea for an another season in low wages and losing him on free, rather than selling him for 20m and then having an inferior keeper for a season who will likely be in bigger wages.

De Gea last year was the difference between UCL football or not (and 30m+ money that competition brings to us). Who is to say that he won't be again the same (at worst case) or the difference on winning the league and finishing third or so (at the best case).

I say keep him, unless Madrid pays 30m+. With the adidas deal, money coming from UCL and soon the new EPL deal, we can afford to do these things. We'll be in one year stronger than Madrid financially, no need to let ourselves get bullied by them.

 

[Sultan]

It's not just about finances. It's about state of mind, squad, and morale. He doesn't want to be at United.

United being cash rich hardly means they'll throw away a chance to collect whatever is offered for De Gea. Business does not work on those terms.

 

[Revan]

It's not just about finances. It's about state of mind, squad, and morale. He doesn't want to at United.

United being cash rich hardly means they'll throw away a chance to collect whatever is offered for De Gea. Business does not work on those terms.

Of course no. But Van Gaal might decide that it is more beneficial for us to play De Gea then sell him for 20m (especially considering the low wages) while Ed might decide that it is more beneficial for us to keep De Gea than sell him because of PR and because it will make Perez/Madrid look weak (they couldn't get even a Madrid born player who is on the last year of contract) and so will hesitate more next time.

It isn't a matter of getting 20m or not. Many other variables there, with the most important being that De Gea for one season might be worth way above 20m. He's our best player after all.

 

[holyland red]

Keeping DDG will give us another year to find a suitable replacement without having to pay extortionate fees so late in the transfer window.

 

[carvajal]

Keeping DDG will give us another year to find a suitable replacement without having to pay extortionate fees so late in the transfer window.

The club knew this months ago and they didn't react.A elite club shouln't need a whole year to find a replacement.I guess that there is a net of scouts checking the main leagues all the time.I don't understand why they are able to offer 80-90m pounds for Bale and they can't pay the 45m€ release clause of Oblak with euro being so weak.

 

[rover]

an elite club wouldn't ever try to steal a pricy asset from another club just like a thief

 

[pierrethesnack]

I don't understand why they are able to offer 80-90m pounds for Bale

Is there any evidence, as in reliable report, that we have actually done this? Would be mental.

 

[carvajal]

an elite club wouldn't ever try to steal a pricy asset from another club just like a thief

We don't steal,we use a situation where a player doesn't want to renew,because he wants to go back to Spain,for bad relationship with the coach or because his girlfriend doesn't like England.The point is that the agent offered to us.This is not a question of money since the offer is good considering that he will be free in some months,its a question of pride.I wonder if this was the best situation for United to be proud.United also talked to Ramos months ago,for me is not steal,this is the market,you have to accept players are looking for better contracts or destinations

 

[pierrethesnack]

I wonder if this was the best situation for United to be proud.

It's a footballing matter. He is our best player. We wan't to keep him to be more competitive in the league, not to look good.

 

[carvajal]

Is there any evidence, as in reliable report, that we have actually done this? Would be mental.

I read in the press but then,as always every one decides if is reliable or not.I don't know if is mental,some people here thinks that is an awful investment while other posters think that he would destroy P.L

 

[rover]

We don't steal,we use a situation where a player doesn't want to renew,because he wants to go back to Spain,for bad relationship with the coach or because his girlfriend doesn't like England.The point is that the agent offered to us.This is not a question of money since the offer is good considering that he will be free in some months,its a question of pride.I wonder if this was the best situation for United to be proud.United also talked to Ramos months ago,for me is not steal,this is the market,you have to accept players are looking for better contracts or destinations

and you have to accept if no one can meet the valuation price of the player set by Manchester United then the player will see out the contract. this is the market rule current in practice that everyone has to follow. and you are no exception

 

[carvajal]

It's a footballing matter. He is our best player. We wan't to keep him to be more competitive in the league, not to look good.

Understandable decision but also risky since he already lost a game.Do you think that Van Gaal and the board agree 100%in this strategy?.

 

[pierrethesnack]

Understandable decision but also risky since he already lost a game.Do you think that Van Gaal and the board agree 100%in this strategy?.

Maybe not 100%, but by and large, I think so. I suspect once the transfer window closes he will be focused again. I mean, he didn't get where he is today by being mentally weak. Once he realizes he can go home to his beloved Madrid in under a year I think he will be fine again. Also, he has to think about the Euros.

I read in the press but then,as always every one decides if is reliable or not.I don't know if is mental,some people here thinks that is an awful investment while other posters think that he would destroy P.L

I think he would destroy the PL under Ferguson. Under LvG, I doubt it...

 

[holyland red]

The club knew this months ago and they didn't react.A elite club shouln't need a whole year to find a replacement.I guess that there is a net of scouts checking the main leagues all the time.I don't understand why they are able to offer 80-90m pounds for Bale and they can't pay the 45m€ release clause of Oblak with euro being so weak.

The club tried to convince him to sign a contract.

I was referring to the business side of things, because signing a GK now could be much more expensive than signing the same GK next July, which would make the ridiculous fee offered by RM for DDG if reports are to be believed. There's a big feck off to both Real and the player too, which is always a bonus. We didn't sign a contract with his girlfriend so they can be patient for another year, or better still fecking split and live in different countries.

I am not sure Ed knows where Mrs. Oblak wants to live, and unless Real come up with a reasonable fee for DDG I guess he has 8-10 months to find out.

 

[carvajal]

The club tried to convince him to sign a contract.

I was referring to the business side of things, because signing a GK now could be much more expensive than signing the same GK next July, which would make the ridiculous fee offered by RM for DDG if reports are to be believed. There's a big feck off to both Real and the player too, which is always a bonus. We didn't sign a contract with his girlfriend so they can be patient for another year, or better still fecking split and live in different countries.

I am not sure Ed knows where Mrs. Oblak wants to live, and unless Real come up with a reasonable fee for DDG I guess he has 8-10 months to find out.

I name Oblak because I think that would be a great option,a very good GK and younger.He cost 45m€,next year his price will be the same,maybe 5m cheaper if Atletico has debts.Unfortunately I think that United will have to over pay for the players during some years.Madrid had the same problem.For me is fine, Madrid has 2 good GK and we already qualify for C.L. I Hope that if he stays those 10 months won't be to be sit in the stands

 

[rover]

and the ramos case is entirely different from the ddg case:

united didn't come in for ramos until his contract issue with real went public. and united proceeded in signing ramos in a decent way.

instead, for the ddg case united was being treated by the ddg camp that they used cl football as an excuse of dalaying in contract extension. and this is not unfair to say real or perez was behind the scene to orchestra the case. so my claim on real stands valid

 

[Nights]

Come on. You've just made that tax up. Non-CL tax? What on earth?
The fee went up because we weren't in Europe?
We got rinsed because Woodward was desperate to show we had money. Nothing to do wih Moyes.

You can't be that naive. Of course fees for top class players go up if we aren't in Europe. The fees might not be higher if we're signing some youngster in the U18s, but for proven world class talent, they ALL want to play in the UCL. What potentially world class player in his prime voluntarily goes to a team with no European football on offer? One that can pay him a shit load of money, much more than anyone else.

Even if clubs like Liverpool and Tottenham could offer comparable wages and transfer fees, why do the top players end up signing for clubs in the UCL? Because they want to play at the highest level.

United just had their worst season in roughly 25 years. Missed out on Europe for the first time in forever. Sacked their manager. Aging squad with no morale. You think we didn't have to pay a premium to sign the world class players in that situation? You don't think that all the other clubs around the world know we're desperate at that stage? Our commercial strength relies on us continuing to be successful. There's zero chance in hell we were going to be able to sign anyone on the cheap, unless they were some no name 15 year old from half way across the world.

I'm not trying to make out that Woodward is a genius (like Sultan was trying to imply), but the fact is that he's nowhere near as bad as what some people seem to think. This is the first year we've had some relative stability in terms of the manager and the team, and we've made decent signings at reasonable prices.

 

[MV12]

The sooner valdes goes the better.. poisionous little fecker..
DDG has put himself into this position, nobody else.
Yes, he's a great GK but a turncoat at heart..
Do we really need this type of mercenary in our ranks?
I suport the club 100% for the way they are dealing with these snakes.

 

[carvajal]

and the ramos case is entirely different from the ddg case:

united didn't come in for ramos until his contract issue with real went public. and united proceeded in signing ramos in a decent way.

instead, for the ddg case united was being treated by the ddg camp that they used cl football as an excuse of dalaying in contract extension. and this is not unfair to say real or perez was behind the scene to orchestra the case. so my claim on real stands valid

But you proceed with Ramos talking to him in April when he was in contract.Yesterday if I am right a poster added a link with the fifa regulation complaining that talks with players with contract is forbidden(they were writing about David) so that is double moral. I really don't think that DDG camp give any hope to United based in cl football

 

[rover]

But you proceed with Ramos talking to him in April when he was in contract.Yesterday if I am right a poster added a link with the fifa regulation complaining that talks with players with contract is forbidden(they were writing about David) so that is double moral. I really don't think that DDG camp give any hope to United based in cl football

any creditable link? or just something story invented by a decent jounos?

 

[holyland red]

The sooner valdes goes the better.. poisionous little fecker..
DDG has put himself into this position, nobody else.
Yes, he's a great GK but a turncoat at heart..
Do we really need this type of mercenary in our ranks?
I suport the club 100% for the way they are dealing with these snakes.

Take out the mercenaries and we'll be left with Wilson, Evans and Blackett.

 

[rover]

whom united is interested in replacing ddg is none of the business of real madrid

 

[rover]

The sooner valdes goes the better.. poisionous little fecker..
DDG has put himself into this position, nobody else.
Yes, he's a great GK but a turncoat at heart..
Do we really need this type of mercenary in our ranks?
I suport the club 100% for the way they are dealing with these snakes.

bravo!

 

[darioterios]

Take out the mercenaries and we'll be left with Wilson, Evans and Blackett.

Johnstone, Lingard, McNair, or lesser extent Januzaj, Pereira?

 

[carvajal]

any creditable link? or just something story invented by a decent jounos?

Who is for you a decent journalist?In the original article from As,the one that was quoted for the english press was already saying this.Anyway,for me is totally normal,but should be normal for everybody.It seems that if Madrid do it is a despicable act

 

[rover]

Who is for you a decent journalist?In the original article from As,the one that was quoted for the english press was already saying this.Anyway,for me is totally normal,but should be normal for everybody.It seems that if Madrid do it is a despicable act

really can't see such make-up thing to be creditable

 

[elmo]

Sit him the entire season if we have to it's him missing out on the Euros next July if that happens. And why bother strengthening Madrid for a cheap fee, Mendes can feck off from the club too, that snake has been fleecing us since Ronaldo left.

 

[Speak]

You can't be that naive. Of course fees for top class players go up if we aren't in Europe. The fees might not be higher if we're signing some youngster in the U18s, but for proven world class talent, they ALL want to play in the UCL. What potentially world class player in his prime voluntarily goes to a team with no European football on offer? One that can pay him a shit load of money, much more than anyone else.

Even if clubs like Liverpool and Tottenham could offer comparable wages and transfer fees, why do the top players end up signing for clubs in the UCL? Because they want to play at the highest level.

United just had their worst season in roughly 25 years. Missed out on Europe for the first time in forever. Sacked their manager. Aging squad with no morale. You think we didn't have to pay a premium to sign the world class players in that situation? You don't think that all the other clubs around the world know we're desperate at that stage? Our commercial strength relies on us continuing to be successful. There's zero chance in hell we were going to be able to sign anyone on the cheap, unless they were some no name 15 year old from half way across the world.

I'm not trying to make out that Woodward is a genius (like Sultan was trying to imply), but the fact is that he's nowhere near as bad as what some people seem to think. This is the first year we've had some relative stability in terms of the manager and the team, and we've made decent signings at reasonable prices.

There was no one else in for Di Maria, and he was being forced out of Madrid. We were giving him a pay rise anyway.

I have no idea why we'd have needed to throw even more in due to being out of Europe for potentially just one season. Look at the actual circumstances, rather than just applying some one-size-fits-all tax.

What you're saying would actually make sense if we'd gone years out of the competition, or we had genuine rivals for his signature, or he was being offered a similar package in Madrid. As it happened, we increased his wages significantly, as we would have done even wih CL foorball.

The comparisons to Liverpool and Tottenham are silly, for obvious reasons.

It's also a little confusing, becuase you type the word 'fee' and then start talking about wages. What actually are you talking about?

 

[Revan]

The club knew this months ago and they didn't react.A elite club shouln't need a whole year to find a replacement.I guess that there is a net of scouts checking the main leagues all the time.I don't understand why they are able to offer 80-90m pounds for Bale and they can't pay the 45m€ release clause of Oblak with euro being so weak.

Why Real Madrid is able to pay 35m on Danillo - a right back that they don't need in the first place - but not on De Gea, a keeper they desperately need. In the time when Barca is dominating everything and Madrid is playing second fiddle to them, and need every weapon to get, they yet forgot to improve the position they were weakest in the last 3 years.

 

[holyland red]

Johnstone, Lingard, McNair, or lesser extent Januzaj, Pereira?

Yes, apologies for the first three. I wanted to keep that point concise. Not sure about the other two though. I guess we'll find out if/when they come good enough.

The point is that we're every bit a bunch of mercenaries as City and Chelsea are. This saga is another aspect of today FM-like football world.

 

[afrocentricity]

Why Real Madrid is able to pay 35m on Danillo - a right back that they don't need in the first place - but not on De Gea, a keeper they desperately need. In the time when Barca is dominating everything and Madrid is playing second fiddle to them, and need every weapon to get, they yet forgot to improve the position they were weakest in the last 3 years.

That guys not going to understand, he supports Madrid and is only going to back Madrid as that's probably all he knows... if he took the time to think about it he'd realise this post makes perfect sense and asks a very valid question. Madrid are taking the piss imo... they can fcuk off.