De Gea Contract Situation

[pierrethesnack]

That guys not going to understand, he supports Madrid and is only going to back Madrid as that's probably all he knows... if he took the time to think about it he'd realise this post makes perfect sense and asks a very valid question. Madrid are taking the piss imo... they can fcuk off.

But what is the disagreement, really? No one can blame Madrid for not splashing the cash when they know they can get him for free next year, just like like no one can blame United for keeping another season rather than selling him cheap.

 

[afrocentricity]

Disagreement between who?

Madrid splash cash, that's what they do. Until now... If they pay the required fee, he goes... that's been the whole sticking point really. DDG wants to go, we are willing to sell. Madrid aren't willing to pay... of course they don't have to, but they are the reason for this stalling. Not us, not DDG...

 

[The Azzurri]

Usually in this kind of case, the player will fork out the extra mil if he's desperate to move.

 

[K2K]

I think the club here has played its hand well..its not the strongest hand , but we have done as best as we can..

We now have publically gone out and told Madrid that if they want the player , then they should pay the price. The fact that we have allowed LVG to say exactly that more than once, means we are willing to back him. Even last season, he was saying that the club would not let De Gea go easily. We have not buckled from that stance since then.

What he has also done is to remove De Gea from the team until Madrid pay up or the transfer window ends. That means that the focus is on the football side, and the club and the players that want to be here can focus on the job on hand. I have criticized LVG on many things, but this is one thing he has done well. The fact that the De Gea camp now speaks about him regaining his focus all of a sudden means it has had an effect.

Another thing that strengthens our hand is that because we have taken DDG out of the team ourselves, he cannot use a situation whereby he would refuse to play in order to almost force us into a sale. Also in matchdays, the focus can be on the rest of the team. Just imagine if we had picked DDG and he had made a blunder in a game, think of the hysteria that would arise. LVG has done well here.

And for those harping on about player power, Real Madrid wanted Veratti this summer.PSG promptly told them to get lost, even though the player wanted the move.PSG did the same with Barca when they wanted Marquinhos...So there is precedent to not crumbling.

 

[Marcus]

I think De Gea probably asked whether he could be excused from the games against Brugge. Would he be cup-tied for Madrid? That further strengthened LVG's views on his mental state.

 

[NickSantigo]

When do we have to submit our squad for the CL qualifiers. I think if we attempt to play De Gea in that it'll force Madrid's hand one way or the other

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

I think De Gea probably asked whether he could be excused from the games against Brugge. Would he be cup-tied for Madrid? That further strengthened LVG's views on his mental state.

He came out and send much the opposite, he declared himself fit and ready to play.

 

[K2K]

He came out and send much the opposite, he declared himself fit and ready to play.

Yes, its us that are refusing to play him it seems..

 

[Marcus]

He came out and send much the opposite, he declared himself fit and ready to play.

Well, sources said that, not a quote from the man. And being willing to play a league game is not the same as playing a CL game. That would more or less kill his move this season.

 

[The Mitcher]

Some telegraph writer said we'd lose our status as a big club if we lost him. Biggest load of crap I've read in ages, we lost Ronaldo, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy all world class players to Madrid and were still massive. Some people love talking out of their arse.

 

[Ixion]

Some telegraph writer said we'd lose our status as a big club if we lost him. Biggest load of crap I've read in ages, we lost Ronaldo, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy all world class players to Madrid and were still massive. Some people love talking out of their arse.

It's slightly different as Fergie wanted rid of Beckham and Van Nistlerooy anyway and he talked Ronaldo into staying an extra year despite their interests.

 

[The Mitcher]

It's slightly different as Fergie wanted rid of Beckham and Van Nistlerooy anyway and he talked Ronaldo into staying an extra year despite their interests.

But we aren't going to lose our status, De Gea is not Manchester United.

 

[Ixion]

But we aren't going to lose our status, De Gea is not Manchester United.

No of course not, but from all reports Madrid are offering £15-20 million? If we sell him for that (when we obviously don't want to sell him in the first place) it would look bad for the club like we had given in to them.

 

[Dreaded]

No of course not, but from all reports Madrid are offering £15-20 million? If we sell him for that (when we obviously don't want to sell him in the first place) it would look bad for the club like we had given in to them.

But we are giving into De Gea rather than RM.

 

[K2K]

Well, sources said that, not a quote from the man. And being willing to play a league game is not the same as playing a CL game. That would more or less kill his move this season.

Dont think you get cup-tied from qualifiers..Its only at the group stage, but thats in September, after the window closes..

 

[K2K]

Some telegraph writer said we'd lose our status as a big club if we lost him. Biggest load of crap I've read in ages, we lost Ronaldo, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy all world class players to Madrid and were still massive. Some people love talking out of their arse.

He meant that buckling on the stance that we have kept all through the window and selling for a cheap price now would look weak...Our stance has always been , either a fair price or he doesnt get the move...

 

[Tonjo]

I don't know whether anyone has posted this and if yes, I would agree that De Gea should have shown some loyalty to United as
he has improved since playing for United. The situation should be straight forward and can be resolved simply.
De Gea can always sign the new contract and in it should be stated that If Real Madrid were to offer United 35million pounds, he can go.
It will be both advantageous for him and United. He can immediately enjoy his new salary (200,000 pounds/week) and if Real were to come in for him, he can still go with the buy out clause during this window or January's or next August).

 

[K2K]

I don't know whether anyone has posted this and if yes, I would agree that De Gea should have shown some loyalty to United as
he has improved since playing for United. The situation should be straight forward and can be resolved simply.
De Gea can always sign the new contract and in it should be stated that If Real Madrid were to offer United 35million pounds, he can go.
It will be both advantageous for him and United. He can immediately enjoy his new salary (200,000 pounds/week) and if Real were to come in for him, he can still go with the buy out clause during this window or January's or next August).

Thats 50 mil Euros, Madrid dont want to pay that for a gk ...especially one they can get for free if things remain as is..DDG wont want to jeopardize his move to Madrid either..I think they planned it this way, but didnt think United would be this stubborn

 

[arthurka]

Anyway you see this, De Gea is moving to Madrid his chick digs Real bigtime.

http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/wag...rne-garcia-is-a-big-real-madrid-fan-pictures/

And even if I was playing for United and being offered 1m £ p/w that wouldn't change the fact I would play for free for Real if it ment that I could nail that every day.

https://www.fociclub.hu/2015/01/17/szexbomba-az-eurovizion-irigykedunk-a-mu-kapusara/

He is going one way or another United have to decide if we want cash or trophies.. That's what's left up to us. He has already made up his mind and who can blame him.

 

[clarkydaz]

No of course not, but from all reports Madrid are offering £15-20 million? If we sell him for that (when we obviously don't want to sell him in the first place) it would look bad for the club like we had given in to them.

it will look bad next year anyway when he walks out of the club for zip, but yeah id rather just put him in his place for a year, and set a marker for players not to try these stunts in future

 

[sunama]

If DDG was at any other club, Madrid would pay up...whatever the asking price was, if they were serious about getting him.
Before DDG, they enquired with Chelsea about Courtois and were quoted a very high price, so they decided they'd go for DDG due to the cheap price.

Now, if MUFC had any balls, they'd follow Chelsea's strategy and quote a very high price (£50M+ would be about right).

The problem we have is that MUFC have a reputation.
1. they always sell their players for bargain basement prices
2. they always pay the highest possible fee for a given player.
3. they have no idea how to negotiate and in the past have negotiated a price higher than a player's release clause.
4. they pay the highest salaries to their players.

With this in mind, it doesnt take a genius to work out why Madrid dont want to pay the asking price.
Hopefully, LVG will be stubborn and will tell Woodward that we need DDG this season, no matter what and that under no circumstances must he leave, cuz I have a feeling that Woodward is ready to submit to Madrid's pressure. LVG needs to stand by and provide him with moral support, because when dealing with such large sums of money, most men can get nervous.

 

[sunama]

it will look bad next year anyway when he walks out of the club for zip, but yeah id rather just put him in his place for a year, and set a marker for players not to try these stunts in future

It won't look bad.
Many top players have run their contract down and left for next to nothing.
The Bosman ruling really did shake the transfer market up.

I agree with the rest though - we need to show other players that we wont stand for this sort of thing and that we are quite happy to take a loss, even if it means that a player is benched for a season.

 

[Fergus' son]

Get this guy out of the club ASAP!

 

[carvajal]

Why Real Madrid is able to pay 35m on Danillo - a right back that they don't need in the first place - but not on De Gea, a keeper they desperately need. In the time when Barca is dominating everything and Madrid is playing second fiddle to them, and need every weapon to get, they yet forgot to improve the position they were weakest in the last 3 years.

Danilo costed 31.5 and Kroos 30,normal prices for players free in a year.Honestly I don't know exactly what United wants.50m€?,60?,I think that they complicate too much the transfer,firstly trying to force a swap(using an internal conflict)with the captain,later Ramos+Navas.At present I guess that they change the idea again,maybe they'll try with Karim.Understandable position but maybe would have been more profitable another attitude.As a poster wrote is it worthy all this just to squeeze 5/10m€?.I'd say that at the end Florentino will lead himself the talks and probably will pay 35m€/40m€ and everybody will be happy although David could have left the club in a very different way

 

[AltiUn]

Danilo costed 31.5 and Kroos 30,normal prices for players free in a year.Honestly I don't know exactly what United wants.50m€?,60?,I think that they complicate too much the transfer,firstly trying to force a swap(using an internal conflict)with the captain,later Ramos+Navas.At present I guess that they change the idea again,maybe they'll try with Karim.Understandable position but maybe would have been more profitable another attitude.As a poster wrote is it worthy all this just to squeeze 5/10m€?.I'd say that at the end Florentino will lead himself the talks and probably will pay 35m€/40m€ and everybody will be happy although David could have left the club in a very different way

What do you mean by this?

 

[carvajal]

What do you mean by this?

I think the United devised a strategy of confusion throughout the summer.In each approach Madrid got a different answer . If Woodward had set a price at the beginning of summer , it would have been the work of the club and his agent renegotiate it . Now the goalkeeper has started the season in the stands, implying that is not focused, what I imagine will affect the final perception of the fans.

 

[pierrethesnack]

I think the United devised a strategy of confusion throughout the summer.In each approach Madrid got a different answer .

Or maybe United have outlined several scenarios they'd be willing to accept, while Madrid refused them all.

De Gea + Cash for Bale
De Gea + Cash for Ramos
De Gea for £30m
De Gea for Navas + Cash

Etc.

 

[sully1]

Image we sell De Gea for 20m and bid on Lloris on the last day, Levi would absolutely murder Ed right there.
As much as I hate Levi, I have to admit he's fecking genius. He managed to make Perez broke the bank for Gareth Bale and didn't accept a penny less for Luka Modric. Bale was never a 80m player and Chelsea had to give up Modric, even though he was their top priority target for at least 1-2 seasons.

I mean damn, how did he even do that. If we had someone like Levi, no club would want to mess us, even in this De Gea' contract fiasco. Either pay the price or feck off.

Levy just refused both Chelsea and United any conversation about Modric for about 2 or 3 seasons, Modric was told the only way he could leave is if he goes to a champions league club outside of England. At the time when Madrid agreed the fee with Spurs, United and Chelsea were ready to match it but were told last minute that any English club trying to sign Modric would have to pay £10 million pounds over the going rate. Even then i doubt levy would have sold Modric especially to Chelsea.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

Danilo costed 31.5 and Kroos 30,normal prices for players free in a year.Honestly I don't know exactly what United wants.50m€?,60?,I think that they complicate too much the transfer,firstly trying to force a swap(using an internal conflict)with the captain,later Ramos+Navas.At present I guess that they change the idea again,maybe they'll try with Karim.Understandable position but maybe would have been more profitable another attitude.As a poster wrote is it worthy all this just to squeeze 5/10m€?.I'd say that at the end Florentino will lead himself the talks and probably will pay 35m€/40m€ and everybody will be happy although David could have left the club in a very different way

Oh boo hoo. A club didn't roll over when Real came in for one of their star players. Deal with it.

 

[Lewis.no.9]

Some telegraph writer said we'd lose our status as a big club if we lost him. Biggest load of crap I've read in ages, we lost Ronaldo, Beckham and Van Nistelrooy all world class players to Madrid and were still massive. Some people love talking out of their arse.

well true but back then we had nothing to prove because we were winning league after league and won a champions league with Ronaldo. These days the jury is out whether we will be winning the league anytime soon let alone the champions league.

 

[Revan]

Danilo costed 31.5 and Kroos 30,normal prices for players free in a year.Honestly I don't know exactly what United wants.50m€?,60?,I think that they complicate too much the transfer,firstly trying to force a swap(using an internal conflict)with the captain,later Ramos+Navas.At present I guess that they change the idea again,maybe they'll try with Karim.Understandable position but maybe would have been more profitable another attitude.As a poster wrote is it worthy all this just to squeeze 5/10m€?.I'd say that at the end Florentino will lead himself the talks and probably will pay 35m€/40m€ and everybody will be happy although David could have left the club in a very different way

Poor Real Madrid, how dare United to not give their best player for what Madrid offered (13m or whatever).

 

[Moriarty]

And even if I was playing for United and being offered 1m £ p/w that wouldn't change the fact I would play for free for Real if it ment that I could nail that every day.

Imagine if he turned up in Madrid and learned that half the Real team had been banging her silly.

 

[carvajal]

Poor Real Madrid, how dare United to not give their best player for what Madrid offered (13m or whatever).

I only say that I felt that was a strange negotiation from the beginning. Of course United has the right to ask for what they want. I obviously defend the opposite position. Now,United should keep the bluff/the negociating stance until the end enjoying a year of a top GK.

 

[arthurka]

Imagine if he turned up in Madrid and learned that half the Real team had been banging her silly.

Hahahaha.. Ronnie is available..

 

[sammsky1]

an elite club wouldn't ever try to steal a pricy asset from another club just like a thief

To be fair to Madrid, they have consistently paid top whack for many players over the years ... They are the last club you can accuse of being stingy!

 

[AR87]

There's really nothing more irritating than the entitlement from Real and Barca when they're in for a player and they don't want to match the selling club's valuation of the player. They can moan all they want about DDG's price being too high for a player with only 1 year left on his deal, but it doesn't matter so long as United maintain their stance.

Personally I wouldn't sell De Gea even if they matched the valuation unless we already have a deal in place for Lloris or Oblak. Barring that we'd be better off telling Real to feck off and addressing the situation next summer.

 

[rooneyaldo]

I am not sure how these things work but I think we may be playing it very smart and put the ball in Real and DDG's court. By getting Romero and luckily him performing at an acceptable level, we could tell DDG that nothing personal but if Real don't meet our valuation of you, you'll have to stay this year and if you don't sign a new contract by Aug 31 2015 with release clause or gentemen's agreement on a sell on fee if Real meet that valuation, you will be second choice or play in the reserves. This way DDG will definitely sign if Real don't meet our valuation because a season without first team football means no Euro 2016 for him. He will sign and probably leave next summer given the fee is acceptable. This was we get him to sign and if he leaves he leaves on our terms and we get good money for him.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

So what is the bid/asking Price atm?

On the one Hand I do not want RM to be successful with their tactics. On the other Hand I would rather take what we can this year and spend the Money on a new keeper or another Player.

 

[shabadu84]

Danilo costed 31.5 and Kroos 30,normal prices for players free in a year.Honestly I don't know exactly what United wants.50m€?,60?,I think that they complicate too much the transfer,firstly trying to force a swap(using an internal conflict)with the captain,later Ramos+Navas.At present I guess that they change the idea again,maybe they'll try with Karim.Understandable position but maybe would have been more profitable another attitude.As a poster wrote is it worthy all this just to squeeze 5/10m€?.I'd say that at the end Florentino will lead himself the talks and probably will pay 35m€/40m€ and everybody will be happy although David could have left the club in a very different way

The money really doesn't matter to us so the contract status holds much less weight for us than it would a smaller team. He's one of the best keepers in the world and will not be easily replaced. If he stays, our chances of winning something and qualifying for the CL again are that much higher. Same reason you won't sell us Bale for 'cheap' even when we've allegedly offered a huge amount. Why are you making that transfer so complicated?

 

[Adebesi]

Personally I wouldn't sell De Gea even if they matched the valuation unless we already have a deal in place for Lloris or Oblak. Barring that we'd be better off telling Real to feck off and addressing the situation next summer.

I agree with this. It's too late in the window for this deal now, unless we have something else lined up as you say.