I'm not sure exactly what you think we should have done differently here, but don't you think that by LVG telling him he won't play until it's sorted is pushing the issue? If Dave wanted to move that badly and Real wanted him, that right there is as close as a "make us an offer" as we could go with it.
De Gea Contract Situation
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I'm not sure exactly what you think we should have done differently here, but don't you think that by LVG telling him he won't play until it's sorted is pushing the issue? If Dave wanted to move that badly and Real wanted him, that right there is as close as a "make us an offer" as we could go with it.
For the record I dont think we should hold his career ransom. I think United should always put out the strongest team possible and that undoubtedly will be DDG in goals. Can understand the decision to bench him up until the window closed as it looked likely he would leave but no point cutting off our nose to spite our face now.
Was more just curious as to whether there was a precident of refusing to play a contract rebel.
I'd prefer to see Navas do well at Madrid. If he has a storming six months, there's all the more chance that DDG might decide that staying is the better option.
There are ways to go about it and I think he's been very poorly advised and I suspect De Gea will end up doing what he should have done but for Mendes and Madrid. Most people understand it's not about Madrid taking a player - it's about a player who's familys in Spain. It's his home. He's perhaps been told to be number one you have to be in Spain. Most people get that. De Gea has shown he can be a man on the pitch but he has a lot to learn off it. In the long run, he'll learn a valuable lesson. Hopefully!
And maybe Madrid fans will learn a lesson also. Sometimes you have to appreciate what you have - because Madrid are not run for the supporters. They don't respect the fans and that's pretty sad. They dream more about other clubs players but when this happens - most people wanted Navas in goal. So who do the club listen too? Most fans want Navas - so I guess they got what they wanted. But that will change because they're fickle.
And maybe Madrid fans will learn a lesson also. Sometimes you have to appreciate what you have - because Madrid are not run for the supporters. They don't respect the fans and that's pretty sad. They dream more about other clubs players but when this happens - most people wanted Navas in goal. So who do the club listen too? Most fans want Navas - so I guess they got what they wanted. But that will change because they're fickle.
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Same here, if Navas is good there would be absolute uproar if Perez tried to replace him. I want him to be outstanding.
You would think that but Madrid are a fickle lot, just look at Diego Lopez easliy one of the best keepers in Europe when he was no.1 at Madrid but still sold him off to play their more glamorous favorite.
An avid real madrid fan telling their side of the story. He once tweeted "you dont mess with perez as perez always wins" now he has deleted that tweet
. Well this time perez messed with the wrong guys, i think keeping de gea even for a year shows to real madrid that we will not buckle under them. If and its a huge IF de gea signs a deal with united it will be a greta victory for United as madrid wont buy a goalkeeper for huge money and we might keep him for good.Why on earth does anyone want to play for this lot? They get treated like dirt and can be discarded on a whim.
The jokers should even stop calling themselves a 'newspaper'
An avid real madrid fan telling their side of the story. He once tweeted "you dont mess with perez as perez always wins" now he has deleted that tweet
Big bad LvG.
Get him to sign a new contract, then swap him for Oblak.
DDG goes to Madrid to have sex with his girl friend
We get a world class keeper
Real Madrid gets nothing
Everybody wins
DDG goes to Madrid to have sex with his girl friend
We get a world class keeper
Real Madrid gets nothing
Everybody wins
Yup.. The same big bad LVG is going to start him against Liverpool for sure.. In a way it's a good thing he wasn't played till the window was closed.. imagine he made a mistake like Romero the other day,every journalist would have been on DDG's back saying his head was turned and weakening our negotiating position even further by destabilizing him..Big bad LvG.
He is like the ultimate villan to themBig bad LvG.
, he is going to make de gea hate madrid and love him and then make him sign a new contract. Idiots these real madrid paid journos and white hankerchief waving whistle blowing fans. Hope barcelona tear their asses apart in the el classico.We had the audacity of accepting an offer that he wanted us to accept.
If he doesn't play and misses out for Spain in Euros who would their number 2 be?
The only person I feel sorry for in all this is Navas, who I read somewhere had personally rang the club to find out if he could still join.
Me too, they "literally" threw him out of the window. He is a collateral victim.
We were trying to do the right thing by the lad, but as you say we weren't going to be short changed in the process. We value the lad highly. Real obviously don't.
Easy.. Just say we ll play valdes!! Can't believe how he managed to still stay here even after not being given a squad number..
I'm pretty sure it was all RM's theatre. They want to sign De Gea on the free and made a circus (tried to blame us). Could very well blow up in their face if De Gea extends with us. Slim chance but it'll be oh so sweet.
The way they have behaved toward Navas has been beyond atrocious. Funny how we have shown how much we value DDG but also how highly we would value Navas as well. Look and learn Real.
Why is it so surprising though. Remember how they treated Becks? They always treat players like cattle and get away with it. Keeping that in mind, it baffles me to read our fans whine about how we handled the whole saga. It's a joke really.
I've been saying all along we'll end up keeping him past the window and he'll end up signing a new contract.
We won't have him for another 3+ years but we'll get another contract out of him.
We won't have him for another 3+ years but we'll get another contract out of him.
Yea, it must be great to know your club values you less than someone they tried to sign on the cheap, at the very last moment in the transfer window.
Quality player management there by Perez.
Tbh, I can't see him signing the contract at this stage. Madrid will be pressuring him to come on free after this fiasco.
It's all about shirt sales and recouping the money. Once that is done they are of no use. Trouble is a goalie doesn't sell as many shirts. That is why goalies are undervalued. However a good goalie can win you the league.
I think (or at least hope) the club will do quite a bit of work to convince him that Madrid didn't want him that badly - through timestamped evidence and a whole plethora of other things... hopefully could go in our favour.
Oi Dave, yeah I know we fecked it all up by trying to be too clever instead of paying your worth but what about if you turn down their lucrative offer which is more than we are offering and join us for free next year so we don't have to pay anything at all?
I'm sure that "pressuring" him is a great approach right now.
So let me get this straight. United have become a laughing stock cause Madrid messed up the papers and didn't get DDG cause of that.
Sounds logical.
An avid real madrid fan telling their side of the story. He once tweeted "you dont mess with perez as perez always wins" now he has deleted that tweet
"A trap well set up by Van Gaal."
I don't think he will have issues with our commitment to having him, atleast the club with the huge contract still on table. Feel he has made up his mind about going to Spain, and I don't think that decision will change easily. And if that much is decided, he wouldn't make it complicated again with signing a contract with us and having a sell-on clause to Madrid. No way Madrid will put up with it after this incident.
Won't be straight as that
But i'm sure you get the point I'm making.Yep. He wants to move back to Spain for personal, and not footballing, reasons. No amount of money/sweet talk will change that. Only thing that could change that is if he breaks up with his girlfriend or all the top clubs in Spain decide they don't want him.
I'd basically tell him to sign our very good contract offer, with a €50m buyout clause for abroad teams (higher for domestic). Then say we'll honour an agreement to talk to Madrid if they really want him next summer, but it has to be done properly and early.
Basically they can put up or shut up to both us and the player. If he doesn't sign, he doesn't play.
Not nice in one sense (very nice for the bloody salary though!), but I think we have to since Madrid will definitely be in his ear all year telling him to sit tight. As much as we want him to play, his head will always be turned whilst this goes on, if he signs a contract, plays, and we agree to honour a decent deal with Madrid next summer, all that goes away and we get a great keeper for this season and chance to really look for our next.
Basically, he should do a Ronaldo on it.
Basically they can put up or shut up to both us and the player. If he doesn't sign, he doesn't play.
Not nice in one sense (very nice for the bloody salary though!), but I think we have to since Madrid will definitely be in his ear all year telling him to sit tight. As much as we want him to play, his head will always be turned whilst this goes on, if he signs a contract, plays, and we agree to honour a decent deal with Madrid next summer, all that goes away and we get a great keeper for this season and chance to really look for our next.
Basically, he should do a Ronaldo on it.
The Mirror Football pages often read like the sport section of the Liverpool Echo. Its amazing the Mirror has a formal relationship with the MEN.
http://as.com/diarioas/2015/09/02/english/1441183486_760073.html
The AS editorial fittingly sums up the situation by saying: 'The idea of bringing De Gea this summer was a foolish obsession of Florentino that has cost him this serious reputational blow'.
A million miles away from Man Utd being a laughing stock.
I thought he was their number 1? If Casillas is number 1, I guess that means one of Reina or Lopez, unless they have a kid in ever heard of
Who knows, maybe the girlfriend can't wait another year and moves here. **dreaming
This is true but there's been plenty of stuff coming out over the year that it was a tough decision for him, with one of the main reasons being a wariness about being caught up in the Real Madrid circus. Well he's just seen that circus in action, with all the politicking between the board and the fans, Navas being shown the door at a moment's notice and all the skulduggery surrounding their last-minute attempt to sign him. Perhaps he might decide he's better off without all that nonsense after all?
Isn't he an Atletico fan? couldn't we offload him back to them if he's determined to go back to Madrid?
The only problem with this stance (which I advocate) is Romero is horrific. We don't want to be in a situation where we are cutting off our nose to spite our face. Maybe we should give Johnstone a shot.
He could break a leg or something between now and January and he'll have to continue to play for another season on a lower wage than he should. We could also say if he doesn't sign a contract he won't play and then he wouldn't play for Spain at the Euros. Sign a contract and stick a release clause in there.
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