No that's true - but I think it worked out pretty good and I think United are in a very strong position now. If De Gea left on a free? Just can't see it. We've got lucky but we're now in a good position. Now LVG has an excuse to make up with De Gea and I think the goodwill etc will get his head right.
De Gea Contract Situation
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No that's true - but I think it worked out pretty good and I think United are in a very strong position now. If De Gea left on a free? Just can't see it. We've got lucky but we're now in a good position. Now LVG has an excuse to make up with De Gea and I think the goodwill etc will get his head right.
I thought Suarez had one in his contract at Liverpool?
Why?
RVN had a buyout clause didn't he? If Madrid offered up he could go.
Of course they are, Delph just had one, and Fellaini had one that we decided to not pay so we could spend more money on him!
Care to expand?
Woodward did nothing wrong in this whole saga. Again he is being turned into a scapegoat for the muppets that didn't get the signings they wanted.
He clearly set a value on DDG and wasn't willing to budge, that's a good negotiating tactic. Madrid tried to play the waiting game to see if Woodward would blink, he didn't and now the Spaniards have egg on their face.
If this leads to DDG signing a new contract Woodward and the club have played a blinder. Even if he doesn't we still get one of the top three Gks for one more season which has a greater potential to earn the club more than the transfer would have. It also allows us to scout potential replacements.
If he signs a proper extension (greater than a year), I can't see Real signing him next summer. We wanted top dollar when the flipside was letting him go for free, can't imagine what we would ask for if he extended. Real would choose to either continue with Navas or buy a Leno.
This is why signing an extension makes no sense for de gea unless there is a water tight release clause in it.
This is why signing an extension makes no sense for de gea unless there is a water tight release clause in it.
Where the talks about him signing new cotract came from? I always thought that he will if he stays based on absolute nothing.
They're legal but don't seem to be enforceable. Hence the £40000001 Suarez to Arsenal fiasco.
It's a No for me. His situation hasn't changed. He wants to go home, live with whatsherface, and play for the bitter rival of his boyhood club. It's weird, but if that's what he wants, then so be it.
I don't see him throwing in the towel and thinking "Madrid have shafted me. So I'll stay here long term instead".
He'll go, and he'll most probably go for free, because he's guaranteed a payday out of it with a signing on fee, and he's guaranteed to go where he wants. If he signs a new contract, Madrid could balk at United's asking price, stick with Navas (or go for an alternative) or United could refuse to do business. Signing a new contract makes it more difficult for him to be in control of the outcome. He's looking out for his best interests, even if it means United lose out on a fee. He's got every right to do that by seeing out his contract.
That means Madrid get what they want. De Gea for free, whilst keeping Navas, and not using the latter as a pawn. I think it's clear that the deal was botched at their end, and not ours. They've never wanted to pay up for De Gea.
I don't see him throwing in the towel and thinking "Madrid have shafted me. So I'll stay here long term instead".
He'll go, and he'll most probably go for free, because he's guaranteed a payday out of it with a signing on fee, and he's guaranteed to go where he wants. If he signs a new contract, Madrid could balk at United's asking price, stick with Navas (or go for an alternative) or United could refuse to do business. Signing a new contract makes it more difficult for him to be in control of the outcome. He's looking out for his best interests, even if it means United lose out on a fee. He's got every right to do that by seeing out his contract.
That means Madrid get what they want. De Gea for free, whilst keeping Navas, and not using the latter as a pawn. I think it's clear that the deal was botched at their end, and not ours. They've never wanted to pay up for De Gea.
I wouldn't be surprised if DDG feels let down and betrayed by Madrid.
I've always been under the assumption his GF was the one behind this move as he has no real affinity with Real. If he now feels they've made him look an idiot it may lead to him staying with us for at least a few more years.
Didn't it come out that Liverpool acted illegaly in all of that though? Or have I made that up? I suppose I could Google this if I wasn't totally lazy.
They're enforceable when they're clearly worded. Suarez's clause, by all accounts, was ambiguous and he showed no intention to go to court to compel Liverpool to accept the offer.
It depends on the individual clause, I've seen plenty first hand that are definitely enforceable.
The ideal case is as some of you may have posted is that De Gea signs a new contract with a buy out clause of what United think he is worth.
De Gea gets to enjoy his new salary and also knows that if Real Madrid is really serious to sign him, they will have to pay the buy-out clause.
In this situation, he will go all out and play well for United.
The buy out clause should be drafted in a way that if Real Madrid will to move in in January, the amount should be more than if they will to come for him in the end of this season. This is to compensate United for the disruption.
De Gea should by now knows what amount United wanted and should agree as United has given him the opportunity to improve to a level of what he is today. He should be grateful to United.
If he doesn't, he should be left in the reserves. LVG should mend tie with Valdes or even play Johnstone if Romero were to blunder again.
De Gea gets to enjoy his new salary and also knows that if Real Madrid is really serious to sign him, they will have to pay the buy-out clause.
In this situation, he will go all out and play well for United.
The buy out clause should be drafted in a way that if Real Madrid will to move in in January, the amount should be more than if they will to come for him in the end of this season. This is to compensate United for the disruption.
De Gea should by now knows what amount United wanted and should agree as United has given him the opportunity to improve to a level of what he is today. He should be grateful to United.
If he doesn't, he should be left in the reserves. LVG should mend tie with Valdes or even play Johnstone if Romero were to blunder again.
No idea. Couldn't check as was too busy being OCD about the zeros in my post. Had to go back and edit another one in. Damn you for quoting my post!
Just can't see him leaving on a free as I think the club will tell him to sign a contract or you won't play and I think he will believe them even if we're bluffing. Mendes will tell him to sign because United will know or will have an idea what he's been telling De Gea and I think it will be resolved quite quickly. He will end up back in Spain but I think the club will agree a fee and maybe try to include Navas. We'll certainly be in a stronger position. I cannot see him leaving on a free. Why do Madrid any favors? It's not about money because the guys rich as it is. Madrid have put him in his position and it was out of complete arrogance. I think providing we ask for say 50 million or 40 million plus Navas then that's reasonable and not out of Madrids reach or maybe we'll ask for what they asked for Ramos
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Hopefully. How does that solve his problem with the gf situation though?
Why would Real all the sudden wipe their feet of DDG? It was Real and their dicking around that caused the deal to not go through.
That seems extremely naive and far too positive
Erm... maybe because they dicked around and the deal didn't go through?!
As it was Real and their dicking around that caused the deal to not go through.
I'm going with the narrative that they were forced into paying Ramos so much that their salary structure could no longer afford Dave. As such, they botched the deal on purpose and tried to lay the blame on United.
I think there is a genuine case of him being played by Real when he rather blatantly had his contract run down, probably angered our fans and Altetico's and took lesser money to force a move to Madrid. Its not like he is the first Mendes client they dicked around with after the whole Di Maria episode.
Liverpool's was a dodgy clause worded funny to trick Suarez.
It was any bid over 40,000,000 and they'd have to *consider* it, I guess they considered Arsenal's bid for a moment before rejecting it.
Maybe he'll grow a pair and tell her he's going to do what's best for his career.
Sorry I forgot the current narrative is all doom and gloom.
I bet that wasn't hard.
Indeed, but you'd assume his agent would be cleverer than that. Nope!
Consider this from De Gea's point of view:
- Madrid promises to sign you before the season starts: they do not, and you get ostracized by your current club.
- Next, Madrid promises to do their best to sign you before the end of the window yet they constantly lowball your value and do not get serious until the last minute.
- Even then Real do not outright try to buy De Gea. Partly to save money and partly because they left it too late for United to find a replacement a third party is entered into the deal. They then basically force a reluctant Navas to make a deal.
- Negotiations with this Navas are the main reason the deal gets held up.
- On top of all of this, Madrid offers you a salary worth half of Man United's offer.
Do they even really want him? He really is pussy whipped.
- Madrid promises to sign you before the season starts: they do not, and you get ostracized by your current club.
- Next, Madrid promises to do their best to sign you before the end of the window yet they constantly lowball your value and do not get serious until the last minute.
- Even then Real do not outright try to buy De Gea. Partly to save money and partly because they left it too late for United to find a replacement a third party is entered into the deal. They then basically force a reluctant Navas to make a deal.
- Negotiations with this Navas are the main reason the deal gets held up.
- On top of all of this, Madrid offers you a salary worth half of Man United's offer.
Do they even really want him? He really is pussy whipped.
Nice to hear Vicente Del Bosque say that it will be difficult to include him for Euros if he is not playing. If he still wants to go to that lot after they showed they were not that keen on getting him, he shouldn't have much hanging over his head because it's just another year at most and he is at a great club with even greater fans that will back him soon as he is back on the pitch.
Nothing about him gives me any doubt he'll be at his best as long as LVG doesn't try screw around and be the man.
Nothing about him gives me any doubt he'll be at his best as long as LVG doesn't try screw around and be the man.
At the end of the day real ended up with a keeper they tried to push out of the club and we ended up with a better keeper we wanted to stay, he has every incentive to play well, and he will imo.
Loyalty bonus for seeing out his contract at United plus massive signing on fee for both him and Mendes when he joins Real at the end of the season (on top of all the reasons he wanted to leave in the first place)... He can start negotiating the terms of his free transfer to Madrid in just 4 months time. Even if his relationship with Van Gaal isn't irreparably damaged (that might be a pretty big 'if'), it's difficult to see why De Gea would be motivated to sign a new deal.
Hope so.
I dont think Mendes will allow him to even think about a new contract.
It isn't Woodward that put that egg on their face, they did it to themselves.
If the time frame given in the statement by United is to be believed, which I've no reason not to, then the responsible party for the deal falling through at the last second is Real Madrid.
Yeah, Woodward and Co. held out for the best possible deal until the last day and, fair deuce to them, they got it, but the reason that de Gea and Navas would be upset would all completely be down to the direct actions/non-actions of RMCF. We signed off on the deal and forwarded the paperwork on time. They didn't. They own this mess.
I think you've misunderstood my post.
More than likely. I'm trying to work and keep up on here at the same time and failing both. Apologies if I misread something.Edit - I was attempting to expand on the idea that if de Gea extends here, that it almost certainly would have more to do, at this time, with how badly Real bungled up the transfer than it would with anything our management has done to convince him to stay.
We tried for over a year to get him to come to the table and negotiate a new deal and nothing we offered ever brought that about. Suddenly, Madrid turn what was a completely agreed upon and signed off transfer (by United) into a complete shit show and now we're hearing rumors that an extension is a possibility?
All due respect to Woodward for holding out until we got a deal worth our valuation for the player. That was absolutely a cracking bit of business. If de Gea is wanting to stay here now though, that has to be down to him being put off by Real tripping over their own dick.
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the possibility of a contract renewal depends if he is still starry eyed for Madrid. they didn't want to buy him now for a respectable fee, why would they pay more next year if he was signed to a better contract?
Maybe the girlfriend could sign for the club instead. seems like she works for them anyway
Maybe the girlfriend could sign for the club instead. seems like she works for them anyway
Can't see him signing a new contract. He'd have done it by now if he wanted one.
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