POLL: Next manager after LVG

Next manager post LVG

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Stretford End Phil said:
Agreed but understandable. No club is going to drop like we have since 2013 and not suffer internal criticism and moaning.
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Not really understandable for me. We all knew that our last title winning squad had an ageing back line with insufficient quality to back it up. We have been playing pretty poorly for years yet managing to be successful - that was never going to last. We have been moaning about lack of investment in midfield and defence for years yet here we are, and people saying LVG is doing poorly.
Time and money was needed on this team - a lot more money than we have already spent but some fams just don't see it.
Many expect a click of fingers and we are right back up there.
 
soapythecat said:
Not really understandable for me. We all knew that our last title winning squad had an ageing back line with insufficient quality to back it up. We have been playing pretty poorly for years yet managing to be successful - that was never going to last. We have been moaning about lack of investment in midfield and defence for years yet here we are, and people saying LVG is doing poorly.
Time and money was needed on this team - a lot more money than we have already spent but some fams just don't see it.
Many expect a click of fingers and we are right back up there.
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I should have clarified myself. Older fans tend to support the club through think and thin. But younger fans perhaps don't remember the lean times or when the fans were a real family. I don't mind, I went down to the second division so I know the bad times and realise how good things are. But let's face it we all like a bitching moment.
 
soapythecat said:
Not really understandable for me. We all knew that our last title winning squad had an ageing back line with insufficient quality to back it up. We have been playing pretty poorly for years yet managing to be successful - that was never going to last. We have been moaning about lack of investment in midfield and defence for years yet here we are, and people saying LVG is doing poorly.
Time and money was needed on this team - a lot more money than we have already spent but some fams just don't see it.
Many expect a click of fingers and we are right back up there.
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So, do you think every important decision since Fergie's retirement has been the correct one?

Likewise, do you think our club is being run as best as it could given our wealth?

Cuz that's what people are complaining about. Not that we're not the best team in the country or Europe, but that we're not achieving what we could given our current situation.

We've just seen a 10 point gap between us and Liverpool drop down to 2 points, and in that time we've had no games against any 'big teams' - this is coming closer and closer to what most would call 'a bottle job', and it isn't acceptable.

I get that the whole 'I'm a more loyal fan cuz I expect no better than this' thing is an appealing stance to take, but it's important to note that no-one on here is demanding even a push for the title...or a trophy! Our standards are very low this season, and Van Gaal is slipping.

People are right to complain and worry.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
Actually I think Pep would suffer at City. There is something wrong with the club. They are league champions and don't seem to have the spirit of champions. There again it has been a strange season for quality so it might just be a cyclical thing....
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I don't think so, it's just a matter of them employing 'good' managers and not top class, or potentially top class coaches. I'm not saying Pellegrini is a bad manager, but taking away all biases, I'd never want him as United manager.
 
JUPITER said:
So, do you think every important decision since Fergie's retirement has been the correct one?

Likewise, do you think our club is being run as best as it could given our wealth?

Cuz that's what people are complaining about. Not that we're not the best team in the country or Europe, but that we're not achieving what we could given our current situation.

We've just seen a 10 point gap between us and Liverpool drop down to 2 points, and in that time we've had no games against any 'big teams' - this is coming closer and closer to what most would call 'a bottle job', and it isn't acceptable.

I get that the whole 'I'm a more loyal fan cuz I expect no better than this' thing is an appealing stance to take, but it's important to note that no-one on here is demanding even a push for the title...or a trophy! Our standards are very low this season, and Van Gaal is slipping.

People are right to complain and worry.
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It's not a bottle job. Had we maintained 10 points we'd be 2 behind chelsea. It's more to do with them going on an amazing run of form than us falling apart. We haven't improved and they have. We're largely playing as we have been for most of the season.
 
saivet said:
I don't think so, it's just a matter of them employing 'good' managers and not top class, or potentially top class coaches. I'm not saying Pellegrini is a bad manager, but taking away all biases, I'd never want him as United manager.
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Maybe. I was actually suggesting perhaps the climate within the club isn't conducive to good management. Having always to fight for resources I am perhaps biased towards organisations that have an abundance but waste talent.
 
ForlansHair said:
It's not a bottle job. Had we maintained 10 points we'd be 2 behind chelsea. It's more to do with them going on an amazing run of form than us falling apart. We haven't improved and they have. We're largely playing as we have been for most of the season.
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As I said, it's approaching a bottle job.

In the last 8 games we've won 4, drawn 2 and lost 2.

Before the Southampton defeat we didn't lose in 10 games, so no, results thus far in the run in don't actually reflect our form before hand, and we're certainly coming close to capitulating right now.

Those 2 losses against Southampton at home and Swansea away are both games we should've got something out of, and Van Gaal must take responsibility for that.

If we'd gotten 4 points out of those 2 games we'd be sat in 3rd - 1 point behind City and 6 clear of Liverpool.

This isn't down to us 'being in transition', or 'needing time to settle', this is down to downright poor management in 2 recent games.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
I should have clarified myself. Older fans tend to support the club through think and thin. But younger fans perhaps don't remember the lean times or when the fans were a real family. I don't mind, I went down to the second division so I know the bad times and realise how good things are. But let's face it we all like a bitching moment.
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The best way to keep the club on top imo is for the fans to have incredibly high expectations. If they don't then the club can easily slip into mediocrity. Also I find it funny how fans asking for a top 4 finish are being called "spoilt" I mean seriously? No ones demanding the bloody treble in LVG's first season are they?
 
SonnyTheHaloPro said:
The best way to keep the club on top imo is for the fans to have incredibly high expectations. If they don't then the club can easily slip into mediocrity. Also I find it funny how fans asking for a top 4 finish are being called "spoilt" I mean seriously? No ones demanding the bloody treble in LVG's first season are they?
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Are you including the prawn butty brigade in that question?:lol:
 
SonnyTheHaloPro said:
The best way to keep the club on top imo is for the fans to have incredibly high expectations. If they don't then the club can easily slip into mediocrity. Also I find it funny how fans asking for a top 4 finish are being called "spoilt" I mean seriously? No ones demanding the bloody treble in LVG's first season are they?
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Totally agree, great post.
 
If some of our fans come across as spoilt or entitled it's not because they expect us to finish in the top four (that's a reasonable expectation in itself, clearly so), but rather because of the way in which they express themselves.

Their moaning is relentless, their impatience is massive, their hostility to the manager once they've decided he's no good is out of proportion - and so forth.

Just my opinion, of course. People can whine all they want for all I care. But if you're looking for a reason why some fans have this idea that other fans are a bunch of wailing infants, there it is. It is NOT because they're critical of the club, the manager or the players - or even because they have sky high expectations (the latter is natural, given our success over the last couple of decades).
 
Simeone - as much as i still hate him for the Beckham incident, id love him to manage us. Hes done well in a number of situations and hes got that fire to make his teams attack.

Guardiola as good as he clearly is, has only ever managed the best squad in world football. We are arguably the hardest job going right now. I just dont know if we can take the risk. It doesnt matter what hes won, hes never faced a challenge remotely like ours. If LVG gets us in order again, then Guardiola is first pick.

Mourinho will never come, and im not sure i could do with parking the bus every game.

Klopp i think has lost his reputation and was a bullet dodged. There is struggling and then there is being bottom of the league.
 
11101 said:
Guardiola as good as he clearly is, has only ever managed the best squad in world football. We are arguably the hardest job going right now. I just dont know if we can take the risk. It doesnt matter what hes won, hes never faced a challenge remotely like ours. If LVG gets us in order again, then Guardiola is first pick.
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Perhaps but with him usually does come the best squad in world football. I could see him building something special, he has an aura about him that always attracts the best players and seems to get the best out of them and thus seems to always gets his man.

Example: Villa, Alves, Pique, Fabregas, Sanchez, Mascherano (Ibrahimovic) were all signings under his name during his Barca tenure.

Busquets, Pedro, Thiago were players he promoted from the youth system, he deserves alot of credit for building that incredible Barcelona side and it's safe to say Barcelona still rely on the 4-3-3 foundation he built with Busquets occupying that anchor role.

He's still only 44 and is widely regarded as one of the best managers in history, if you ask me I'd take him in a heart beat.
 
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SonnyTheHaloPro said:
The best way to keep the club on top imo is for the fans to have incredibly high expectations. If they don't then the club can easily slip into mediocrity. Also I find it funny how fans asking for a top 4 finish are being called "spoilt" I mean seriously? No ones demanding the bloody treble in LVG's first season are they?
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Problem is, as I was highlighting in previous posts, that fans are calling for him to be sacked and giving it the whole 'woe is me' regarding LVG when we are in fact sat in the top 4.
We all long for a title push but I think only the brave thought that was a possibility this season.
So far he is producing results (regardless of style of play) yet you all want him gone or discuss the next dream appointment. Sounds bloody spoilt to me.
 
JUPITER said:
So, do you think every important decision since Fergie's retirement has been the correct one?

Likewise, do you think our club is being run as best as it could given our wealth?

Cuz that's what people are complaining about. Not that we're not the best team in the country or Europe, but that we're not achieving what we could given our current situation.

We've just seen a 10 point gap between us and Liverpool drop down to 2 points, and in that time we've had no games against any 'big teams' - this is coming closer and closer to what most would call 'a bottle job', and it isn't acceptable.

I get that the whole 'I'm a more loyal fan cuz I expect no better than this' thing is an appealing stance to take, but it's important to note that no-one on here is demanding even a push for the title...or a trophy! Our standards are very low this season, and Van Gaal is slipping.

People are right to complain and worry.
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Or just moan for the sake of it, like spoilt brats, even though we are sat in the top 4.
This thread isn't about how the club is being run, it's just another opportunity for keyboard warriors to moan about our manager.
 
soapythecat said:
Or just moan for the sake of it, like spoilt brats, even though we are sat in the top 4.
This thread isn't about how the club is being run, it's just another opportunity for keyboard warriors to moan about our manager.
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Ugh...not this shit again.

People are moaning because they are clearly worried about our ability to hold on to that top 4 place with the way we are currently playing. If at the end of the season we finish in the top 4 then the moaning will subside.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
This is it. I truly believe Mourinho would have picked us over anybody else at the time. With the Fergie Mourinho relationship it could have been a done deal very early on.

I just think it was always going to be Moyes though. The perfect successor. Scottish like Fergie, and willing to stay at one club for many years. Uniteds minds where made up years before
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you're wrong, its well publicised that Bobby Charlton at the board meeting was insistent that they look at all other options before Mourinho

that was error number 2
error number 1 was allowing Gill and Ferguson to step down at the same time
 
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I do wonder how many people would now take Brenden Rodgers over LVG. Sadly, I think I would rather Rodgers. Liverpool, like last season are playing the best football in the league.
 
I dont watch much of Italian football these days, what kind of style did Conte play as a club coach? as a national coach he seems to favour LVG styles with 2 out and out strikers, a number 10 and only 3 at the back with wingbacks
 
Chesterlestreet said:
If some of our fans come across as spoilt or entitled it's not because they expect us to finish in the top four (that's a reasonable expectation in itself, clearly so), but rather because of the way in which they express themselves.

Their moaning is relentless, their impatience is massive, their hostility to the manager once they've decided he's no good is out of proportion - and so forth.

Just my opinion, of course. People can whine all they want for all I care. But if you're looking for a reason why some fans have this idea that other fans are a bunch of wailing infants, there it is. It is NOT because they're critical of the club, the manager or the players - or even because they have sky high expectations (the latter is natural, given our success over the last couple of decades).
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Yes, that's very well put.

golden_blunder said:
you're wrong, its well publicised that Bobby Charlton at the board meeting was insistent that they look at all other options before Mourinho
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Can you cite the sources that publicized that please?
 
11101 said:
Simeone - as much as i still hate him for the Beckham incident, id love him to manage us. Hes done well in a number of situations and hes got that fire to make his teams attack.

Guardiola as good as he clearly is, has only ever managed the best squad in world football. We are arguably the hardest job going right now. I just dont know if we can take the risk. It doesnt matter what hes won, hes never faced a challenge remotely like ours. If LVG gets us in order again, then Guardiola is first pick.

Mourinho will never come, and im not sure i could do with parking the bus every game.

Klopp i think has lost his reputation and was a bullet dodged. There is struggling and then there is being bottom of the league.
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I still like Klopp... he lost Lewa and Gotze in rapid succession followed by his main CM (Gundogan) being out for almost a season with his back...not to mention Reus's injuries.
If any manager lost 4 players of that importance he will struggle, regardless of the team.
 
I dont really want to vote in the poll because it seems like sheer fantasy to suggest most of those names will be available.

What I will say is if we are looking at a new manager for next season Id like to see prospective candidates sit an exam, a quiz if you like, to ensure we dont get someone who has no idea who our best players are, how to fit them in, why we have been shit for the last two or more seasons, etc etc.

The problem is whether we have anyone at the club who could even mark the quiz properly to assess who had provided the best answers. But setting that concern aside, asking all candidates to provide answers to questions like:
  • Approximately how many days have been lost through injury among Manchester United defenders on average in the last 5 seasons?
  • In no more than 300 words please explain where you would play Wayne Rooney and why.
  • What is more important: signing players, or being seen to sign players?
  • Looking at the Manchester United squad, what is the single most important characteristic you think is missing? (i.e. pace, leadership, height, power etc).
  • How many number 10s do you feel can reasonably be played in a single team?
  • If you had two strikers simultaneously suffering from poor form, how many different formations would you attempt to play to accommodate both of them in your team?
 
Klopp's reputation is holding up pretty well given how poor Dortmund has been this season. 2nd most popular on this poll.
 
Adebesi said:
The problem is whether we have anyone at the club who could even mark the quiz properly to assess who had provided the best answers. But setting that concern aside, asking all candidates to provide answers to questions like:
  • Approximately how many days have been lost through injury among Manchester United defenders on average in the last 5 seasons?
  • In no more than 300 words please explain where you would play Wayne Rooney and why.
  • What is more important: signing players, or being seen to sign players?
  • Looking at the Manchester United squad, what is the single most important characteristic you think is missing? (i.e. pace, leadership, height, power etc).
  • How many number 10s do you feel can reasonably be played in a single team?
  • If you had two strikers simultaneously suffering from poor form, how many different formations would you attempt to play to accommodate both of them in your team?
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How sad is it that I actually think this is a great idea...?

On a more realistic note though, I increasingly feel that the most important factor in a new manager working out for us is a proven track record of playing good football in the Premier League and of doing so in the present (rather than 1, 2, or 10 years ago).

I also would like a manager young enough to be very hungry, and to be fluid and switched on to the changing tides in football (rather than a manager who has a stiff, dogmatic style that everything has to be shaped around).

I want a manager who's proven to be PL worthy, yet is going to develop and get better as a manager, rather than a manager who's trying to recreate past glories.

Basically, I think Pochettino should be Man Utd manager. I really do.

And if not him then someone who fits the above criteria.
 
We need to qualify for the CL, sign the midfielder who doesn't actually exist who will restore balance to the team and work out what the hell Van Gaal is asking us to do. And then it'll all be golden.
 
I don't care if we wants to stay here until he's 150, He has to prove himself first and show he's capable of being Man utd manager, and so far he hasn't shown nearly enough to make such statements.

And no I wouldn't fire him tomorrow, but If we don't make top 4 and a better manager becomes available then yeah I would.
 
Now that Klopp is forever off the table, where is everyone standing on this? I'm still thinking Pep but if City have their hooks in already then it has to be Simeone or Ancelotti IMO. After that we are into nobody's territory.
 
Is this who we want it to be or who we think it will be?
 
Want... I think my number one choice would be Pep followed by Ancelotti and then maybe a young manager like De Boer. Then again if we are going to go with someone like De Boer then you'd have to think Giggs would get the nod...

Don't want... Simeone! No thank you, can't stand the guy, don't like the way he is when he loses sometimes and don't think he's actually all that great. Mourinho! No way, the guy is a grade A git plus plays such dull football I think it would even be worse than LVG..

Think... I think Giggs will get the nod and that's why he was made LVGs appointment even though he wouldn't have been LVGs choice. LVG has intimated that it'll be Giggs as has Fergie.
 
Rich_H_1989 said:
Want... I think my number one choice would be Pep followed by Ancelotti and then maybe a young manager like De Boer. Then again if we are going to go with someone like De Boer then you'd have to think Giggs would get the nod...

Don't want... Simeone! No thank you, can't stand the guy, don't like the way he is when he loses sometimes and don't think he's actually all that great. Mourinho! No way, the guy is a grade A git plus plays such dull football I think it would even be worse than LVG..

Think... I think Giggs will get the nod and that's why he was made LVGs appointment even though he wouldn't have been LVGs choice. LVG has intimated that it'll be Giggs as has Fergie.
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I will never forgive Simeone.

Pep or Ancelotti for me. Probably Pep now.
 
Walrus said:
Is this who we want it to be or who we think it will be?
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Want I'd say judging by the OP and the fact Pep has nearly 4 times as many votes as anyone but Klopp.

gooDevil said:
I still want Simeone.
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He'd be well suited to the PL stylistically and he has the winners passion and fire about him. I'm sure Charlton and co would try to scupper his chances though given he can be prone to explosive outbursts on the touchline.
 
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