Diego Costa, would explain all the touching he does. Maybe he just wants affection.
England player and another Premier League star set to come out as gay
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As a couple?? Shaw and Depay, it'd explain the latter's poor form lately.
There should be harsher punishment already. Just wondering whether this will force the FA into action.
Not jumping at your throat some on here have done as I understand, or at least think I do, what you're trying to say. People shouldn't have to announce they're different and want to make a big deal of it
But the lesbian/homosexual community have been oppressed for centuries. Just look what is happening to those in the Isis controlled states at the moment, thrown of buildings, dragged behind cars etc. hence the coming out is something that for now is something that still needs to be done as many communities still dont accept it and we need to support them as much as we can
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Someone made a point in the CE pointing out that the people who troll out this "don't care, shut up" line grew up on a world where so few people were openly gay that once it all started coming out they just couldn't handle it.
If you don't care, fine, don't read about it and ignore threads about it. When royal events happen I don't start shouting "hurr burr why do we still have royals, why are they dominating the media" even though I feel that way, I just fecking ignore it.
If you don't care, fine, don't read about it and ignore threads about it. When royal events happen I don't start shouting "hurr burr why do we still have royals, why are they dominating the media" even though I feel that way, I just fecking ignore it.
That would be because he's a vile homophobe, who whilst discussing Lindegaard's comments in support of homosexuality, asked me why it was okay for me to have sex with men but it wouldn't be okay for him to have sex with animals.
Sorry. I've reduced myself to petty passive aggressive comments, since then, thus far, but if he's going to engage in further debates on the topic I can't stop myself.
Jesus Christ.
I don't blame you then, sounds like a muppet.
Could be welbeck I've always Thought he sound quite effeminate when he's interviewed
Maybe it will force them into some sort of action, but I don't think the punishment should be any more harsh.
They should be forced to wear tight pink t-shirts. No wait, that's offensive, I've got nothing.
You don't really believe that do you?
You don't know me so shut the feck up.
I most certainly know enough.
Watch your attitude.
What part?
My point was simple, I think. People are straight. People are gay. It is not a new phenomenon in the UK, people are extremely sexuality open here, homosexuality is all over the media and in reality, so I don't see why footballers, gay or straight, need to talk about who they sleep with at all. It simply seems to emphasise an ideology that being gay is 'different ' or whatever, and the only way for it to be seen as a normal part of everyday life, which I imagine is the objective, is to simply get on with it.
I'm not saying a footballer should hide it, I'm saying I don't see the need for a press conference to announce it.
I don't see why people are responding to me with irrelevance like how Homosexuals are treated in Arab states and being thrown from buildings etc. If anything, it is there that you could do with press conferences and the like, not here where Graham Norton is treated no differently to Jonathan Ross. This is not Saudi. Homos and Heteros mix everyday. They are accepted in the UK. The more a person introduces himself firstly by his race, sexuality, religious belief or whatever - I'd the more it will be a topic of discussion.
Just live your life, this isn't Iran.
Ironic coming from someone who doesn't want people to express themselves.
Probably misusing the word ironic
Ah, standing up for myself after being called a vile homophobe. Apologies.
If they don't come out the alternative is an "expose" in the daily mail. And doing it on their own terms is better than Richard Littlejohn being an absolute cnut about it.
The reason footballers don't need to come out as Iranian or Jewish or a whole hose of other things is because chances are, you already know where they come from, and their birthday, and a whole lot of other inane shit before they even debut for your team. With sexuality, they're just assumed to be straight until they say otherwise, or alternatively, are outed by bigots like Littlejohn, I know which one I'd pick if I was a gay Premier League footballer.
I didn't mean come out as Iranian, I meant that I understand better the need for a homosexual in Iran to 'come out' as opposed to one in England. England seems very accepting in general, and for me, the constant referencing to a sexuality doesn't encourage progression.
Again, I haven't asked anyone to hide. I'm saying just be a gay man if indeed that is what you are.
Thank you.
They're ramming it down our throats!
It's not a constant referencing to sexuality, it's an individual who has been presumed straight for 20+ years standing up and saying "nah, I like men, thanks". England has 50 million or so people, and they're not all hippies.
(terrible analogy incoming) It'd be like if Rooney turned out to be from Hull "I'm actually from Hull guys, I realise I seemed Scouse, but I'm from Hull"
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I understand what it means literally. I just think 'so what?' is all
Again, homosexuality is very much a part of Britain. What does it matter. 'Presumed straight'. People who don't know me probably presume I'm straight too. Thatis probably the case with most men, unless they behave effeminately.
All I'm saying is, a press conference by, I dunno, Phil Bardsley serves nothing other than for him to now be referenced as, or at least thought of as, Phil Bardsley, the gay footballer. Right now he's just a footballer, who nobody knows, or cares, who he is sleeping with. It's his choice. I doubt the average football fan would just put their mortgage on the fact that Bardsley is straight because he's a footballer, so not convinced this whole 'presumed gay' thing goes any deeper than me assuming Louis Theroux is straight, which I do, simply because, well people do.
You don't think "so what", if you thought "so what" you wouldn't be in this thread saying they need to shut to feck up. You would do what people actually don't care and just scroll past it without reading, like people who find my posts dull are doing right now.
Alright to take that example, if Louis Theroux turned out to be straight would you also berate him tweeting "Hey guys, I've got something to tell you, I am a homosexual man." and answering questions his fans tweet him? With Premier League footballers a press conference is needed because there are tens of millions of people across the world who watch them on a weekly basis, and they, unlike you pretend to, might actually care about them and might want to hear them speak about it. For example, the millions of gay people who are still in the closet and might need some inspiration.
Your post shows what the real problem is, why would we assume anything and why would we "expose" anything. I'm sure you are right and the tabloids would make a big deal about a footballer kissing his boyfriend in the street, but I don't care about it, I would care about the picture, I would judge the look of the couple but I'm not going to think less about a player because he is gay.
Because that's what people are taught. There are countries around the world that still pretend they have no gay people around them, and it was like that in Europe until recent history. With people suspected otherwise being imprisoned, castrated or put to death.You don't get rid of that in a generation or two, it's going to be another couple generations until, with luck, it's not a big a deal. If you don't care, that's fine, scroll along and look at something you do care about. That's what plurality of press offers us.
It's hard to generalise but I think a lot of the time the "who even cares, it's a normal thing so why even talk about it" brigade are just making their displeasure known in a more acceptable way.
Clever enough not to come out and say they feel uncomfortable, or outright don't like gay people but still just dying to resist or downplay it in anyway.
Last bastion of the idiot really... Because I would hope anyone with half a brain would be able to appreciate that it isn't for attention, or a normal thing that's just accepted... As people have said, it's one statement to everyone to say this is how I live... So they can THEN begin to lead a normal life without constant speculation and intrusion (of a different kind to that which people in the public eye are already subjected to)
Take Gareth Thomas... I'm absolutely sure he now can live in a much more honest and proud way for the brave decision he made and also take a lot of pride in having done so and helping many, many others as an example. He's now on the coverage for the RWC and who could care? I'm sure he could openly interact with a partner in a way anyone should be able to do now.
Now it's okay and normal and nothing to fuss about - but, importantly, only because he made that big brave announcement. It would be great for football to mirror that.
Clever enough not to come out and say they feel uncomfortable, or outright don't like gay people but still just dying to resist or downplay it in anyway.
Last bastion of the idiot really... Because I would hope anyone with half a brain would be able to appreciate that it isn't for attention, or a normal thing that's just accepted... As people have said, it's one statement to everyone to say this is how I live... So they can THEN begin to lead a normal life without constant speculation and intrusion (of a different kind to that which people in the public eye are already subjected to)
Take Gareth Thomas... I'm absolutely sure he now can live in a much more honest and proud way for the brave decision he made and also take a lot of pride in having done so and helping many, many others as an example. He's now on the coverage for the RWC and who could care? I'm sure he could openly interact with a partner in a way anyone should be able to do now.
Now it's okay and normal and nothing to fuss about - but, importantly, only because he made that big brave announcement. It would be great for football to mirror that.
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Exactly my point.
It's definitely [rival player I dislike] lol.
No, that doesn't work. I think it isn't important, so came in the thread to say so, as I can.
I said shut the f up to another poster who called me a 'vile homophobe ', as I also believe is my right.
You don't get to decide what it and isn't important for other people. The reason you've been called a vile homophobe is previously having compared gay sex to bestiality, and because you're repeating the same Richard Littlejohnesque bullshit in face of overwhelming logic.
Stunning lack of empathy there.
It mightn't be important to you, but it is to millions and most importantly it's probably about as important as anything in the world to the person coming out - which is all that really matters here.
Really think you should look at it from a point of view other than your own selfish and I think, prejudiced, one.
Just my opinion.
You are not understanding here, I have no problem with the player who comes out, what I don't understand is the people who are hurt by it, I don't think that it should be a secret, I don't think that they should come out in the press, they should live their life and we will know about it the same way we know about the straight players, with a picture of them with their boyfriend, girlfriend.
I mean you don't see a player make a public statement in which he explains that he fancies black women and think that interracial couples are normal.
To me it is ridiculous that people can't be gay without it being a story or a PR event.
I do get to decide what is important to me though, just as others are doing for themselves in this, and every other thread.
And as for the other point, it was part of a different discussion altogether, and was the example of a sexuality preference. I think we were talking about who decides what is right or wrong. Why not beastiality? In any case, I don't recall it even being reacted to in the manner it is being done now, perhaps years later. People were just discussing the point with me. It's easy to paraphrase it later and say you compared x to y, but I don't recall such drama at the time.
I didn't come to change the mind of the caf, I simply came to say my own piece that I don't think it is the way to go to have declarations of homosexuality. Which is frankly hardly the most hateful or even controversial thing anyone's ever said, despite it being treated as such.
Also, why did you cut the rest of my post out of your response? Again, it will hardly help if you are cutting my reasoning out of what I'm typing and seeing what you want to see.
Interracial sex had to go through the same process to be accepted. Starting with the abolishing of laws against it, to the first kiss on TV, to people being abandoned by their families. And it's still not fully accepted. People in interracial couples still get abused and are abandoned by their families, albeit to a very minute extent. Homosexuality has only really started this road a couple of decades ago so it's facetious to think it should be treated the same.
Effectively telling gay people how to express their sexuality is essentially saying "Ok, you can come out of the closet but don't tell anyone that I locked you in there...for years and years."
That's just a niavety that I don't understand... I'm sure the gay community would like this uptopia you speak of as well! The fact of the matter is it's totally unrealistic.
However with his line of argument there seems to be a blame attached to the gay person for 'making it all about them' or some big song and dance aimed at attention.
It's a hard and hateful thing to have to do and the overwhelming majority struggle with it, not relish it like people insinuate.
Surely you see that?
Quite.