It was pretty strange.It's strange behaviour from someone who supposedly values youth development. What does he gain from slagging young players off in public?
It's strange behaviour from someone who supposedly values youth development. What does he gain from slagging young players off in public?
The only 'assumption' I make about you individually is that you probably think United should do better than this. Maybe that's not what you are saying, but then your comments here are mystifying.You are making far too many assumptions about what you think my stance is , then attacking that position, and fighting that supposed position vigorously. I have hardly said any of the things you are saying.
No, but how good were you really under SAF, and I don't mean his whole career at the club, but the latter years? I think it was 2005 when OSC Lille threw United out of the CL in the first round. After that the incredible Ronaldo masked the decline in 2008, but year after year United drifted away from Europe's best. We can all get hysterical about a home draw against PSV, but under SAF United lost at home against Ajax, wh0 were quite poor back then. They just won it by playing about the same positional possession game LvG is criticized for, and their execution wasn't nearly as good.I do know that we are in transition, and I simply do not expect us to be as good as we were under Sir Alex , because Van Gaal is a far far inferior manager to Sir Alex. That fact alone shouldnt excuse Van Gaal from genuine criticism.
My reasoning is that a managers performance should be judged by trophies, other results, development and all in relation to his means, i.e. the quality of the players and the means to sign players. Because the best thing a manager can do is make a club perform beyond its means. In that respect, Van Gaal is second to none. This criterium is less important for a club which has all the means, then it's sometimes more a matter of star herding, that's also difficult so no disrespect for Ancelotti, but that's certainly not the job at hand at United and won't be in the near future.As for the superior manager thing, I'd disagree, but I'm intrigued on what basis you are making such an assessment. On the basis of tangible factors such as trophy successes in Europe and multiple league in recent times, jobs held, awards won, records against other managers(Van Gaal included),effectiveness of tactics, I think they are far superior candidates than Van Gaal. However your criteria would shed some light on your reasoning.
I don't think it is as good as it gets with these players, because Van Gaal could do more with them. Combining his playing style with the left overs from SAF and with the PL isn't going as smoothly as planned. The player's understanding of the style is fragile, in the sense that it crumbled against Arsenal and crumbled against PSV after Schweinsteiger went off. Besides that the understanding is not entire, which causes a lack of chances. It's often exagerrated how little chances are created, but if all of the players really understood it they could exploit it much better and create much more chances without individual brilliance needed.For me the biggest flaw in your argument is that you are almost arguing that Van Gaal is as good as it gets with this players(Obviously I disagree), and that is why you'd rather keep him than bring someone in. Perhaps you can explain why you think so .
who gives a shite , you sound moyeslike. get rid, do you know about this team in spain called real madrid?
Easy targets for a coward, unlike his captain who's been stinking up the place for the entirety of the season.
I was basing my opinion on these quotes, calling anyone out after giving Rooney such an easy ride is complete bollox in my opinion.
It's a funny thing for me
While the football is boring as hell, it's not that what's losing him for me. It's him calling out Depay and McNair and putting them down in public but, England's brave, heroic, lionheart Wayne Rooney, gets away with it.
How can you take a manager serious if he's afraid of one of his own players?
There is no way we are getting rid unless he falls hopelessly behind on the expectations from him (which is unlikely given how efficient we have been despite being boring). Long story short, he is going to be here whether we like it or not.
It's strange behaviour from someone who supposedly values youth development. What does he gain from slagging young players off in public?
I’m not sure it’s fair to be honest. I believe he did try to get those top attackers but failed. We chased Neymar, and it’s possible a few others, but maybe all we could do was to get Depay and Martial?
Lvg is full of shit
Why can't he adapt his methods to suit the players test he does have if he feels he doesn't have the right squad? He is meant to be an innovator after all.
The man is dining out on credit that is fast expiring
Think a few would do well to remember we were getting told teams were coming to OT and not afraid of us anymore the aura had gone. Now teams are coming and not getting a kick we are dominating games we are just not finishing them off. Leicester had one good chance yesterday and they took it plus it was a individual error and not much Lvg can do about that.
I'm starting to get the feeling that Van Gaal's enforcement of his philosophy is starting to effect our player's love for the game.
It looks like they don't want to be out there.
Wouldn't be suprised if the players start to turn on the manager; they will be the ones who are the most frustrated over these tactics.
I think this is why Rooney gets such special treatment. Van Gaal knows if he falls out with Rooney, there is a chance Rooney could instigate an up rise ala Terry - AVB.
Lvg is full of shit
Why can't he adapt his methods to suit the players test he does have if he feels he doesn't have the right squad? He is meant to be an innovator after all.
The man is dining out on credit that is fast expiring
This is what is bothering me as well at this point, he basically wants a worldie in every attacking position in order to keep his obsessive lines on the pitch. People keep talking about Barca, Bayern and Real but our football is dreadful compared to much lesser teams than them, and teams with frankly much less talented players than we actually have.
Our style is like a tram, rooted to a singular course that isn't allowed to deviate. It's ironic that LvG was supposedly someone that didn't like transfers yet his plan to fix our attacking problems seems to be that we need to buy him more players who fit the exact profile he wants as he can't adapt his current lot.
This is my main concern.And if I'm the club I won't entrust my budget to him as who know if he'll turn those "world class" players bought into average backpassers?We have money but doesn't mean that we should invest recklessly,which is not just against our ethos but will cause many risks long-term.
I get what you are saying but the powers at United will not sack a decorated manager like LVG, who is on his last assignment, if he gets top 4 (even though Pep is available next season). Yes, they might be able to convince him to resign and retire behind the scenes and make it look like he is leaving on his terms.I don't think that is necessarily true. Don't get me wrong, it's probably largely true - but not absolutely.
If the "United fans think LVG destroys the club's grand legacy by playing shite football - and secretly Fergie agrees" story gains further momentum - and if we start seeing more evidence of such sentiments being expressed by match going fans - Woody will take note of this. Gaining a reputation for playing shit-on-a-stick football isn't something he's keen on. It does matter in terms of "the brand". How much it matters is debatable - but it isn't a non-factor.
Availability is key. If a top manager is available at the end of the season (and especially if the season rolls on largely as it has done so far, with more and more dissatisfaction from fans, more shite in the press, etc.), I think it's naive to assume we won't consider sacking LVG just because the contract doesn't expire until 2017. That won't matter to Woody. Pep at United - to make the most obvious example - is pure gold in terms of the brand.
we were pretty fluid in a 4-3-3 last season. why the change?
I don't hate him as much some of the Caf seem to, but his criticism of McNair angers me.
Meanwhile Rooney gets special privileges and shit.
I get what you are saying but the powers at United will not sack a decorated manager like LVG, who is on his last assignment, if he gets top 4 (even though Pep is available next season). Yes, they might be able to convince him to resign and retire behind the scenes and make it look like he is leaving on his terms.
I doubt the management would bother with sanctioning such hefty transfers if they were satisfied with a top 4 finish. We're clearly trying to establish ourselves back up at the perch we were at 2 years back.I agree with this point of view. As I have said before, it depends on what the Board signed LVG up for.
If the board simply required LVG to keep in the top 4 and remain in CL (maybe a nice bonus if we win a trophy) then LVG has basically delivered. Maybe LVG even told the board, It's going to be boring football during the rebuilding phase and maybe the board is fine with that, as long as they are not going to lose their Adidas or Chevrolet or Mr Potato sponsoships.
Honestly, if I were a board member (and not really a fan), after the debacle of Moyes and the near impossibility of replacing SAF, I'd sign LVG up for a short stint for transition (he was planning to retire anyway) and consider my options at the end of the second year.
I doubt the management would bother with sanctioning such hefty transfers if they were satisfied with a top 4 finish. We're clearly trying to establish ourselves back up at the perch we were at 2 years back.
I agree. With the players we have (and what we dont have) I also think that would be the best formation. However, you also need to have the right tactic and instructions.we were pretty fluid in a 4-3-3 last season. why the change?
We weren't as good defensively though. Plus Rooney's a far lesser player today in comparison to then.we were pretty fluid in a 4-3-3 last season. why the change?
At Real he wouldn't have had players who lack basic technique and understanding of the game.He's lucky that he's not managing a team like Madrid.
we were pretty fluid in a 4-3-3 last season. why the change?
we were pretty fluid in a 4-3-3 last season. why the change?
In general you're right, but the real problem is that the system requires 11 cogs. Some turning faster and some turning slower, but all turning. They are just to many players who still don't get it, the technical ability is a problem to, but it's the players who don't get it who slow the rest down by taking too much time to decide where to pass. The pace of decision making is what made Van Gaal's Bayern exciting and United often boring.Probably because that system created an over reliance on Carrick and our performance cratered the moment he got injured. Now we have Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger but neither of them have the combined defensive nous of Carrick with his probing passing skill going forwards.
Carrick, Herrera and to some extent Fellaini and Blind were the true cogs of that system. If we played Blind in midfield we could probably recreate it to some extent even without Carrick but that would waste Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger.
