Shooting in San Bernardino, California

Shamwow said:
Definitely starting to get suspicious about this one. Hide your kids hide your wives.
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:lol: My best friend was heavily into competitive shooting and when he stopped he put his reloading equipment & supplies up for sale and I bought it from him for $1k.

So that's where most of it came from and about 95% of my ammo is "unrolled" component parts (primers, powder, cases & bullets in various calibres). That said, my initial inventory suggested I could make about 14k rounds if I was so inclined. It is definitely excessive but it'll last for years and the price was too good to pass up.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Eh? My post is in agreement with yours.
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It's really not.

Nidal Hassan case wasn't listed as a terrorist attack - victims have tried to go to court because as a result of that ruling, they were denied access to additional benefits etc etc

But, other than that - I can't think of any incidents where the authorities didn't tag terrorist attacks as such.

Some get angry that college and other workplace incidents aren't labeled terrorist attacks, but I'm fine with that. Because, to me - a terrorist attack isn't just about creating terror or panic, but about the political message if wants to convey.

Timothy McVeigh - anti govt nut - terrorist
some pasty loser in a trenchcoat angry he can't get an erection - not a terrorist attack

The authorities in this case refused to rule out any options, including a combination (workplace issue + terrorism). But as the hours have progressed...more and more info has started to come out and the FBI is slowly releasing information. Information that is pointing to the initial suspicions of many that this was a terrorist attack.

You can't blame the authorities for wanting to be sure before they released information - after all this did start out as an incident involving 2 white males in military gear!!!
 
Red Dreams said:
Which means in the US we can buy them at gun shows. Did these people actually have to go through background checks?
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What in his background check would have prohibited him from purchasing a gun?

- Born in the US
- Went to college in California (Cal State)
- Got a job with the county
- No previous history of anything
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
:lol: My best friend was heavily into competitive shooting and when he stopped he put his reloading equipment & supplies up for sale and I bought it from him for $1k.

So that's where most of it came from and about 95% of my ammo is "unrolled" component parts (primers, powder, cases & bullets in various calibres). That said, my initial inventory suggested I could make about 14k rounds if I was so inclined. It is definitely excessive but it'll last for years and the price was too good to pass up.
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What are you going to shoot with all that?
 
Neutral said:
What in his background check would have prohibited him from purchasing a gun?

- Born in the US
- Went to college in California (Cal State)
- Got a job with the county
- No previous history of anything
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Same as the guy that shot up the clinic?
 
If Dwayne had a mental break and went and shot up his office I wonder if people would brandish him a terrorist because he had materials to produce 14,000 rounds?
 
Oh and the "criminals don't care about laws" line that's being trotted out makes absolutely zero sense, everyone saying it needs to be found and slapped with a wet fish.
 
Red Dreams said:
Are our background checks similar to those in Canada. That would be my minimum standard. Any waiting time?
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No uniform rules - State by State.

Cali - 1st time buyers have a 10 day waiting period. But if everything comes up all clear, the waiting period does not apply for future purchases.
 
The fact that the guns in this case were purchased legally, in what is apparently one of the strictest States, says a lot.

The US Government needs to wake the feck up, put lives above political donations, and ban guns.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Please tell me that you have never worn body armour to shoot paper!

What about clay pigeons, at least they move.
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No, it was a shits and giggles purchase. Like I said earlier, our ranges are safe enough that it's not required. If people were significantly more cavalier about following the rules I might reconsider.

Red Dreams said:
Dwayne can clarify. But I believe they require a doctor tyo sign off on his mental stability before he can aquire a weapon?
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Self reporting only on your licence application. They do require references and spousal/relationship information...not sure what they ask people when they follow up, it may depend on the information you put down.
 
Rado_N said:
The fact that the guns in this case were purchased legally, in what is apparently one of the strictest States, says a lot.

The US Government needs to wake the feck up, put lives above political donations, and ban guns.
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I reckon there's just as much chance that fact will be used against stricter regulation. "Well it clearly didn't work in California" or something similar.
 
Shamwow said:
I reckon there's just as much chance that fact will be used against stricter regulation. "Well it clearly didn't work in California" or something similar.
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These things can't be half-arsed, banning certain accessories and types of firearms isn't going to cut it.

Make them entirely illegal, hold an amnesty for them to be voluntarily handed in, after that if you're caught with one you're in the shit.

I'm not for one moment saying it will be easy, there will be uproar and it will take time, but you have to start somewhere and in a few generations people will look back on this like the Old West.
 
@Red Dreams

Basic Background check involves -

- Criminal history
- Mental health
- Drug offences (must have clean record of 12 months)
- Domestic Violence (by law if you've ever been convicted of a misdemeanor - you are permanently prohibited)
 
Rado_N said:
These things can't be half-arsed, banning certain accessories and types of firearms isn't going to cut it.

Make them entirely illegal, hold an amnesty for them to be voluntarily handed in, after that if you're caught with one you're in the shit.

I'm not for one moment saying it will be easy, there will be uproar and it will take time, but you have to start somewhere and in a few generations people will look back on this like the Old West.
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I completely agree with you on everything. I just reckon some will attempt to make that argument (and I will disagree with them). Straw manning to the max I know.
 
Rado_N said:
These things can't be half-arsed, banning certain accessories and types of firearms isn't going to cut it.

Make them entirely illegal, hold an amnesty for them to be voluntarily handed in, after that if you're caught with one you're in the shit.

I'm not for one moment saying it will be easy, there will be uproar and it will take time, but you have to start somewhere and in a few generations people will look back on this like the Old West.
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It's just crazy that with the current situation in the world a country as progressive as USA can't even have a proper discussion on this.
 
Shamwow said:
I completely agree with you on everything. I just reckon some will attempt to make that argument (and I will disagree with them). Straw manning to the max I know.
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Oh no doubt, you only have to look on twitter to see that.
 
Red Dreams said:
The NRA is against background checks right?
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Actually they used support instant checks and that looney Wayne LaPierre has gone to Senate hearings and said as much. But, as the years have gone by, they have changed their position and now oppose universal background checks.

I bet if the average NRA member was properly informed of what the checks would entail most would be pro checks. After all, these are people with licensed weapons! But, this has become like some kind of weird badge of honor...it's like Ted Cruz and his anti abortion stance...I am against abortion in ALL cases, even incest and rape.
 
Neutral said:
Actually they used support instant checks and that looney Wayne LaPierre has gone to Senate hearings and said as much. But, as the years have gone by, they have changed their position and now oppose universal background checks.

I bet if the average NRA member was properly informed of what the checks would entail most would be pro checks. After all, these are people with licensed weapons! But, this has become like some kind of weird badge of honor...it's like Ted Cruz and his anti abortion stance...I am against abortion in ALL cases, even incest and rape.
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agree. look at that shit for brain Texas governor and what he had to say :eek:
 
Neutral said:
Actually they used support instant checks and that looney Wayne LaPierre has gone to Senate hearings and said as much. But, as the years have gone by, they have changed their position and now oppose universal background checks.

I bet if the average NRA member was properly informed of what the checks would entail most would be pro checks. After all, these are people with licensed weapons! But, this has become like some kind of weird badge of honor...it's like Ted Cruz and his anti abortion stance...I am against abortion in ALL cases, even incest and rape.
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The NRA speaks for a very small percentage of gun owners. they're essentially a mouth piece for the industry more than anything else.
 
so is this a terrorist attack? or a disgruntled employee? or gun rights thread?
 
I think if there is a terror angle to this which seems to be the case then you have to wonder if this could be a real danger sign for the USA. CNN seems to be saying through sources that the guy had links with international terror suspects and that he had been 'radicalised', the intelligence can prevent networks and coordinated attacks but I am not sure how much work they can do at individual level specially if getting weapons isn't a hard deal.
 
mu77 said:
so is this a terrorist attack? or a disgruntled employee? or gun rights thread?
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Can't it be all three? lol

Conversations ebb and flow - this is going to end up being a terrorist attack committed by a radicalized douchebag who probably convinced himself of made up slights, insults, injustices, while he accumulated arms and ammunition before finally acting out on his murderous fantasy against innocent colleagues. But seeing as all 4 of the guns were purchased legally other stuff has come into the discussion.
 
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