Why are some weirdos in this thread ignoring all West Ham's chances?
Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread
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If we continue with this inability to score the only thing that could save him from the sack is Guardiola being available in the summer.
Yup. Fun to think about, isn't it?
And Martial where? Have people forgotten that Memphis bar 2 or 3 matches total has been Rooneyesque this year?
I can't see him lasting the season, the fans have turned him on and I think it's a matter of time. I hate modern football where everything is about the manager while the players get to play shit but get away with it.
Granted, we had chances, but overall the quality of our play is shocking. No one is really playing at the standard we should expect at United. Would I be less knee-jerk if this game at the back of a 6-game, goals galore, winning spree? Definitely, but this has been going on since LvG. The only solution to this seems to be chucking enough money at clubs to get players who even LvG can't remove their football joy from.
The worst that can happen with LvG is that Woodward begins to sort out a Guardiola deal for Summer. We are not going to sack him in December.
I don't think his philosophy is even working as he wants it to be too. From what I read when he had joined, one of the elements of his philosophy is to conserve energy of your team and make the other team run. Its his way of breaking down teams. But I think the statistics consistently are that United run more than the opposition which is appaling considering our possessing statistics. No wonder the team looks knackered and we are never able to open the opposition teams.
Either his philosophy is outdated/not working in England/players are too thick to grasp it.
Either his philosophy is outdated/not working in England/players are too thick to grasp it.
Get rid.
Yes, we do not score enough to win trophies, I agree about that. We are quite a boring side to watch too. If I was a neutral, I doubt I'd watch Manchester United play.
All of that said, tonight was nothing like that. We were fast, we created chances, we looked positive and entertaining to watch. The finishing was horrendous though and we didnt score.
The clock is ticking im afraid....
Problem is, if we get rid of him now who do we replace him with? There is zero chance getting Pep mid-season so do we hire Carlo Ancelotti till the end of the season? I doubt he'd even entertain such a deal. Who else is left? Giggs?
We need a pick me up type turn around like what Klopp has given to Liverpool.
We need a pick me up type turn around like what Klopp has given to Liverpool.
This is true unfortunately. Our board is completely incompetent - while Moyes lasted till April, when he should've been fecked off a lot earlier with the chance to rescue our season.
Why would anyone want him to see out his contract and part ways after that?
How much pointless football do you masichist's want to endure? We have already suffered a season and a half of this slow and often aimless dross. So with absolutely no indication of any change, what possible justification is there for giving him even more money for more of the same? Its clear we are not going to see anything different from this manager, and so what would be the point? An utter waste of time, some people seem to want him to stay just for staying's sake.
How much pointless football do you masichist's want to endure? We have already suffered a season and a half of this slow and often aimless dross. So with absolutely no indication of any change, what possible justification is there for giving him even more money for more of the same? Its clear we are not going to see anything different from this manager, and so what would be the point? An utter waste of time, some people seem to want him to stay just for staying's sake.To be honest I don't even know why I came in this thread...nothing positive to say. All the LvG fans happy with his "rebuilding" will no doubt come to his defence ! I'll browse elsewhere...
Martial was ahead of Fellani.
Our last six home games: 0-0, 0-0, 1-0, 2-0, 0-0, 0-0.
Absolutely shocking. I wonder if the Glazers might take issue here, because having a global mega club isn't just about results, you need to have an entertaining brand of football to go along with it.
Absolutely shocking. I wonder if the Glazers might take issue here, because having a global mega club isn't just about results, you need to have an entertaining brand of football to go along with it.
I didn't say we will sack him. But I think the amount of pressure on him will be immense if we don't progress.
And yeah, that hypothetical Guardiola situation is our best bet/hope in my opinion.
In the old days we'd have had twice or three times the amount of clear chances. With the players we have we should be able to create half a dozen clear cut chances against West Ham, at least. When we were winning things we'd regularly have over twenty shots on goals, with at least half on target.
You need to create a high amount of chances to win games. Barcelona might score two or three goals but they'll create at least 12 or 13 good chances, because not even Barcelona can convert close to 100 per cent of their chances. Louis Van Gaal seems to think our players are robots who will be able to take the one or two chances that come their way every few hours. That is not how football works. Ronaldo scores 40-50 goals a season and misses chances. Van Gaal's philosophy is so abstract it seems to depend on something that doesn't exist in the real world to work.
Should be gone if he doesn't get a result mid-week. I can't find any faults but him and his firesales/stupid loans.
But Depay was tried at #10 and was shit. It's not like Fellaini was our worst player today either.
I had him on undecided between 2 and 3 but want to change to nailed on 2 … no option to change on this poll then?
And put Giggs in charge until the end of the season? We should wait until the summer and try to get Pep in.
If we get knocked out in the CL he'll lose my support. we've already been knocked out of 1 competition playing this way and it could well be another in the near future.
I'm not being knee jerk, I think I've been patient enough, and I'm not afraid to admit he's done good a job in stabilizing and setting the ship that moyes wrecked, but we haven't reached the next step in building on the platform we have by getting the team to play good football and winning games, and it doesn't look like that will happen while he's in charge.
look at how long klopp took liverpool to get from hopeless to where they are now playing good football (and possibly look like overtaking us if it continue). hundreds of millions spent and there just hasn't been a significant enough improvement from this team.
I'm not being knee jerk, I think I've been patient enough, and I'm not afraid to admit he's done good a job in stabilizing and setting the ship that moyes wrecked, but we haven't reached the next step in building on the platform we have by getting the team to play good football and winning games, and it doesn't look like that will happen while he's in charge.
look at how long klopp took liverpool to get from hopeless to where they are now playing good football (and possibly look like overtaking us if it continue). hundreds of millions spent and there just hasn't been a significant enough improvement from this team.
he was not our worst player. but really the entire team were poor.
There is no way we should be so toothless in font of goal. It's just not good enough.
If the club aren't already looking and talking to replacements then they really should be. LVG has set the defensive foundations better than anyone could have in 2 years and particularly following Moyes - but he just doesn't get attacking football. It's a massive part of the EPL and he either needs to get on it or just go because this sort of run is intolerable at United.
The Moyes appointment fecked us up bad, took away so much from the team. LVG can't be critised too much taking on the team after that massive fail, but he's done as much as he can. Get Ancellotti or Simione in and say goodbye to the philosophical one.
If the club aren't already looking and talking to replacements then they really should be. LVG has set the defensive foundations better than anyone could have in 2 years and particularly following Moyes - but he just doesn't get attacking football. It's a massive part of the EPL and he either needs to get on it or just go because this sort of run is intolerable at United.
The Moyes appointment fecked us up bad, took away so much from the team. LVG can't be critised too much taking on the team after that massive fail, but he's done as much as he can. Get Ancellotti or Simione in and say goodbye to the philosophical one.
Those saying it is not his fault tonight are missing the forest for the trees. If it was just one night of 0-0 draw it would be understandable. But this is the 5th 0-0 draw in what the last nine games? He gutted our attack this summer and he did not restock. Many on here called it for what it was and now that we are paying the price people are trying to say it is not LVG's fault?
Tell me whose fault it is then?
Tell me whose fault it is then
?I agree with all of that. Tonight wasnt one of our usual 0-0s though and to criticise him for tonight is absurd. We created more than enough to score.
A handful of chances really. 1 header from a corner, 1 from de gea and smalling making a mess almost turning into an own goal (kinda), so those 2 you can kinda rule out as they weren't really created through anything then a bit of a lapse in concentration/luck. Moses break away because of a sloppy pass from Blind I think, and then the one time they carved us open was the Zarate chance. Was just a bit of a sloppy game from our defence.
yeah. I would get Pep in the summer at this rate.
Yup. So the question is, would Depay for Fellaini since start change anything really?
LVG should be blamed for many things but not for that pick. For me, today, it's the players who have been incredibly shit, especially in finishing department.
Fast? Entertaining? Geez, the impact LvG's tactics has had on some. We did create a few chances but we were far from entertaining and fast.
I wouldn't sack him now but he's on thin ice. This season has been defined by head scratching team selections, poor subs, sideways passing, crap excuses, lack of chances, no tempo and general shiteness. At the end of the season I'd shake his hand, thank him for sorting out Smalling and delievering BFS then part ways, especially if Pep's available.
Those saying it is not his fault tonight are missing the forest for the trees. If it was just one night of 0-0 draw it would be understandable. But this is the 5th 0-0 draw in what the last nine games? He gutted our attack this summer and he did not restock. Many on here called it for what it was and now that we are paying the price people are trying to say it is not LVG's fault?
Tell me whose fault it is then
Tonight? The players that missed those chances.
The entire season on the whole? The manager mostly because I dont expect a player to put away all the chances he gets, we dont create enough.
Missed the last 20 mins so the crowd was booing?
thought we looked better than pretty much most matches.
Watch the game, especially the 2nd half again tomorrow. I'm talking about tonight in isolation, if you want to moan about the season as a whole, you wont find many arguments from me.
Just one more point than we had after 15 games last year.
Progress!
Well yes there was attack attack attack with mild boos everytime we went back, very loud boos at the final whistle.