Shaw and Smalling have been crocks. I do agree even without the injuries we have played shite. However the fact we're fielding youngsters and having injured players on the bench just to make up the numbers ALSO has to be blamed on the fraud of a manager we currently have in charge.
Post match vs Bournemouth
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I think what Fergie was really good at was finding players with desire. What we saw today was a lack of desire from our more senior players. I thought Fellani, Blind,Carrick and Mata were dreadful today. Their lack of effort, composure and desire influenced the younger players who became more and more lost as the game went on.
McNair has lost all the composure he had last year and when he got beat to the ball seemed to just accept it.
It got to this point with Moyes too, where it actually looked as though the players wanted to get beat because they'd given up on the manager.
Do you even watch football?
This line really is like a scarecrow having a wank: clutching at straws.
First game I have generally been mad. Always been able to see some good. Today, not one ounce of respect for a single player.
In every single game, the opposition manages to put better attacking combination play than us. No matter who we play, its always the same.
Id love to spend a week just watching the guys prepare for a match. The attacking drills will be of high interest to me.
Id love to spend a week just watching the guys prepare for a match. The attacking drills will be of high interest to me.
Well the favourable run of fixtures after the City game isn't really panning out as we would have hoped. Whichever way you look at it, that was crap. Injuries? Yes, however Bournemouth were missing key players also. And given the majority of people on this site would have identified our Centre Back options pre seasons as limited, injury prone and in need of reinforcement, why couldn't van Gaal?
Similarly, why be in such a hurry to push Hernandez out the door in the absence of a proper replacement?
None of that though really explains the seeming lack of enthusiasm or inspiration from the team. This team should have been good enough to beat Bournemouth, but van Gaal seems unable to motivate them as it's the same story week in, week out.
Similarly, why be in such a hurry to push Hernandez out the door in the absence of a proper replacement?
None of that though really explains the seeming lack of enthusiasm or inspiration from the team. This team should have been good enough to beat Bournemouth, but van Gaal seems unable to motivate them as it's the same story week in, week out.
Do you even watch football?
This line really is like a scarecrow having a wank: clutching at straws.
How is thinking we should beat Bournemouth clutching at straws exactly? They try to play football but Bournemouth lack any quality. If we can't win these games we will struggle for top 4.
We make teams look a massive threat whenever they attack and couldn't look any less threatening ourselves.
I hardly even cared when they looked certain to score to go 3-1 up. It would've made no difference because we play like shit.
I hardly even cared when they looked certain to score to go 3-1 up. It would've made no difference because we play like shit.
It isn't. That's not what you said though.
I somehow missed Woodward tonight but doesn't he normally look a little "strict"
Injuries are a problem but nothing explains the lack of attacking rythmn, even Moyes infamous Fulham match atleast showed a pattern to our attack, currently you can't see a goal to our movement
I was calling us a digrace
Has it come to that point yet under VG?
It felt like several months under Moyes when the players didn't play to win.
You mean the face of a smacked bum?
But you also called Bournemouth a shocking side. Harsh I thought, maybe look at some stats.
With you on both counts mate. I knew it would be hard after Tuesday but they looked bemused from kick off. A lucky goal aggravated the situation but they clawed it back and then let it go. By the end it was an utter shambles. Can't imagine where you begin training on Monday because they looked demotivated, demoralised, and less than average.
you are right. Also IF Giggs is the leak, because he wants the job, he should be put down.
btw tell me why are you also against the Nevilles.
I'll read your reply after I come back. Need to go out to buy some food. Wife is off to Florida to visit our daughter
Phil, yes. Gary is an unknown quantity. Let's see how he does in Spain.
I imagine defensively they would be one of the worst sides. Maybe they will improve but they haven't been brilliant so far this season. I think the way they play is admirable enough but they don't have a lot of quality. If you have some stats that prove me wrong fair enough, maybe I am being too harsh. I haven't seen a lot yet to say we shouldn't be comfortably beating Bournemouth. All of our rivals have been this season.
ok. makes sense.
Here is my issue with van Gaal.
Before I go to this match, I am one of the few who voted we should not have let Evans go. I mean is Blind better than him? No bloody way. Chicho? He had enough time to prove himself under 3 managers. I'm not saying he could never have fit in. But Ole was content to come on and change the game. He wanted more playing time. Fine.
Right ....Evans. We had 3 reserves at the back. Evans would have held it together back there.
And why not play Young at RB. Firstly he is a senior player and would have given that experience. Secondly I thought he played well in that position when asked to. We could also certainly used him going forward.
And he would have been better than Varella. Of the 3 youngsters, I rate CBJ the highest. Of the other two I think McNair is not our quality. I hope I'm wrong. Varella. He had a mare today.
Ok the match itself. Their first goal was a fluke. We came back. Now why did we not press them in the second half. Content with 1-1? They pressed and scored from a corner. Where was our passion today?
We lost because of the lack of passion. Not one player covered himself in glory. And van Gaal disgraced the club.
That's what is LVG's fault.
Varela looks all right to me. His lack of experience showed today. Borthwick-Jackson just looks raw. As someone else posted, kids are erratic and that I understand but he's not a left back, not by a long chalk. He has no pace and is slow to get back from upfield. People get on McNair's back but he looks far better going forward than he does in defence. Blind isn't a central defender and his shortcomings were exposed today. Shows you what a good job Smalling does.
Mata playing in the hole is all very well but without a ball winner behind him, he's limited in what he can do. Martial looks isolated. Playing Fellaini up there with him was a good idea but Martial was off form today and failed to capitalize on his chances. I thought Fellaini showed the right spirit. He was always looking for the ball and he was very unlucky not to score two. To sub him off just before a set-piece for Powell smacks of desperation.
I don't know why we failed to press them in the second half. Surely Van Gaal wasn't content at that point to play for a draw but who knows? Young should have come on and Memphis moved infield alongside Martial but he was ignored. I wonder why because at least Young will try and make something happen whilst Powell barely touched the ball.
Van Gaal has done most of what was asked of him. He was only ever a short-term solution. The club has had 18 months to get their act together and get the next manager lined up. Now we've got a bit of a crisis and people want to change horses midstream. If there's a plan in place, we should stick to it, unless the plan is Ryan Giggs. Then we really should be worried.
Admittedly they have conceded the most goals in the Prem but the style of football they play gives them a big edge on a lot of teams.
They have a far superior fitness level to most teams due to the type of training Howe has implemented and although this doesn't win games it contributes hugely to what they are trying to achieve.
Don't forget this is a team that has spent 69 seasons in the 2nd tier and lots in the 3rd and 4th, history may be slightly irrelevant but they have to be realistic now that they're in the top flight. They're not going to win trophies there yet!
They have made more runs/sprints than any other team this season, covered more distance too, and they also beat Chelsea last week making, the current champions let's not forget, break their own records in those 2 stats.
I just think a little bit of credit where it's due. I might live in Bournemouth and have slight bias towards them on this, but I don't support them and never have, I'm Utd through and through. Was I surprised at the result today? Not one bit.
I never wanted Giggs as the immediate successor for obvious reasons. But the fact the board insisted Giggs is the assistant makes me think they have already decided. Hope I am wrong.
Lets just hope we do have Pep lined up.
Ouch - that's damning. I don't get why your board are sticking with him.
Fair enough they do deserve credit for what they have done.
Utterly shambolic squad management, to the point where, in this game and in germany, he threw in youngsters from the u21's way past their depth to both the team and their personal developments detriment.
Its not fair on the likes of Borthwick jackson, Varela, Mcnair, pereira, Powell and lingard to be expected to carry the side, and yes he isn't doing it out of choice, but its his fault that there is a lack of squad depth by selling such a large chunk of players without replacing them.
Its not only become an issue of a failure to replace with quality, but also quantity at this point.
Hugely disappointed with Mata and carrick as well tonight, highly experienced veterans who were completely invisible and let down a lot of kids out there.
Props to Memphis who visibly looked like he gave a shit out there.
Its not fair on the likes of Borthwick jackson, Varela, Mcnair, pereira, Powell and lingard to be expected to carry the side, and yes he isn't doing it out of choice, but its his fault that there is a lack of squad depth by selling such a large chunk of players without replacing them.
Its not only become an issue of a failure to replace with quality, but also quantity at this point.
Hugely disappointed with Mata and carrick as well tonight, highly experienced veterans who were completely invisible and let down a lot of kids out there.
Props to Memphis who visibly looked like he gave a shit out there.
This a thousand times, and it's reflective in our poor record of coming back and winning games under LVG. People like Fletcher, Park, Evra, Rooney(of old) O'Shea, Rafael, these players would run themselves into the ground for us.
We could point fingers at the players for lacking desire but at the same time Louis van Gaal as a manager should be able to get these players to bust a gut for him and they're not, which tells me they don't respect him enough or don't even like him.
People always say players should give 100% regardless but they're not robots, that's not how it works, they work on emotion, the amount of effort they put in can be influenced by many things, one of those is a manager and as far as this bunch are concerned, there's absolutely nothing going on.
Not really sure what to say/add about this match... much like our side in fact, anything I'd say would be both unsurprising and repetitively boring.
So... I'll say that we're really fecking shit. Like, absolutely pathetic levels of shit.
So... I'll say that we're really fecking shit. Like, absolutely pathetic levels of shit.
FECK.
Fellani is a lot of things. But a lack of desire is a joke.
Carrick kept trying even though he'll never look like a trier.
Mata did his best.
Tbh we were just out played. Even the commentator said look how fast they get the ball forward. I think that was the difference.
Spot on.
Being a good manager of people is a about winning hearts and minds. You can rule by fear or threats of consequences for a bit, but ultimately if people don't want to get on board with your ideas then you'll never get the best out of them.
A lot of the players look totally indifferent. If they don't like the manager or respect his tactics and methods he's on borrowed time. Rightly or wrongly the players will get their way because the club are not going to take the only other option - moving loads of players on and allowing a 60 odd year old close to retirement to recruit on mass for the next bloke.
we were lucky it wasn't 5-1. Process. Philosophy.
At this point I don't think it's that the players are indifferent it don't care. These people are extremely competitive and they know what's at stake, I can't really believe that they aren't bothered.
I think the main problem is that these players genuinely don't seem to know how to attack together properly as a team and still do what they think the manager wants. It also doesn't help that we played so many young players who have very little experience, not just in general but in playing with the players they had to play with. Of course, the fact that our squad is so thin also comes down to the manager at least partially.
It just doesn't make sense that we are so poor at creating chances. You can say that our players are overrated and that may be true, but these players should be good enough to do much better. We genuinely look worse going forward than every team that we play against, and that has to be down to the coaching
Edit: think I misconstrued the post above about the players being indifferent. I think they are trying, but it's true that they need to be inspired and motivated in order to get them to perform as well as they can. I don't think they are inspired or motivated by van gaal
I think the main problem is that these players genuinely don't seem to know how to attack together properly as a team and still do what they think the manager wants. It also doesn't help that we played so many young players who have very little experience, not just in general but in playing with the players they had to play with. Of course, the fact that our squad is so thin also comes down to the manager at least partially.
It just doesn't make sense that we are so poor at creating chances. You can say that our players are overrated and that may be true, but these players should be good enough to do much better. We genuinely look worse going forward than every team that we play against, and that has to be down to the coaching
Edit: think I misconstrued the post above about the players being indifferent. I think they are trying, but it's true that they need to be inspired and motivated in order to get them to perform as well as they can. I don't think they are inspired or motivated by van gaal
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One man who's escaping the flak is Ed Woodward. Oliver Holt (I know) is saying that Ed's "scouring Europe for a marquee signing" in January. Great. Will any marquee signing do? After Wolfsburg, we were told that we're fter Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar, and Uncle Tom Cobby and all, none of whom will likely come. We've pissed money away, taken for fools because the people running the club are great at getting sponsors but pretty crap at running a football club. They make light of the European KO. It's not that bad, and the league is where it's at. Bollocks. They clearly don't know United's history if they think that.
Am afraid to say am now with #LVGOUT crew. What a shame.
Its not that they do not know our history. It is they don't understand what our club's history means to us. Especially those who have followed the club for so many years at great personal sacrifice.
This is where the hurt is coming from. I believe we will turn things around on the football side of things, but once those of us who knew Manchester United as a Football Club are no longer around...
ah well don't want to become too morbid.
Whoever they bring...they will not see what we saw eh? Bestie...Charlton, Law...and those Cold nights in whatever town.....watching a lot worse footie than what we saw.
But at least it was Our Club then.Its not that they do not know our history. It is they don't understand what our club's history means to us. Especially those who have followed the club for so many years at great personal sacrifice.
This is where the hurt is coming from. I believe we will turn things around on the football side of things, but once those of us who knew Manchester United as a Football Club are no longer around...
ah well don't want to become too morbid.
Whoever they bring...they will not see what we saw eh? Bestie...Charlton, Law...and those Cold nights in whatever town.....watching a lot worse footie than what we saw.
Amen to that. You'd think Bobby would have a word with them about it. Surely he can't have forgotten those days.
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Why not? They fired Moyes.