Why mention paedophiles though? Its to link the two together in people's minds and insinuate something. He knows exactly what he's doing when he says it. The same tactic was used here and in other countries and its indefensible.
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Why mention paedophiles though? Its to link the two together in people's minds and insinuate something. He knows exactly what he's doing when he says it. The same tactic was used here and in other countries and its indefensible.
But that is what i want to say. For the people who fight for same sex adoption everything that is against them is dodgy. Every source that think other than them is dodgy when infact a lot of studies are payed by gay activist to prove their points. Gay activist are way way more active in proving that they have right then the people who are against it.
TBF to you, i did give my opinion, you can argue as much as possible against but i really run out of time for this.
Ugh! Come on! That is a total copout. I invite you to actually read up on your sources before you post them. You might not be so happy to use them if you actually checked them first
In fact you'd probably be horrified by CNS and MRC.You haven't run out of time, you've run out of excuses. You have a bias and you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Worse, you ignore actual research and use "evidence" from sources whose opinions on other topics would probably terrify you if you actually took the time to find out how scummy they actually are.
I'm so sorry for you that The Gays have all the research money and have made it so hard for you to find EVEN ONE valid source that contains ANY research that can be verified. Life is tough!
Another one.Ugh! Come on! That is a total copout. I invite you to actually read up on your sources before you post them. You might not be so happy to use them if you actually checked them first
You haven't run out of time, you've run out of excuses. You have a bias and you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Worse, you ignore actual research and use "evidence" from sources whose opinions on other topics would probably terrify you if you actually took the time to find out how scummy they actually are.
I'm so sorry for you that The Gays have all the research money and have made it so hard for you to find EVEN ONE valid source that contains ANY research that can be verified. Life is tough!
http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/ViewpointsDetailsPage/ViewpointsDetailsWindow?displayGroupName=Viewpoints&zid=a9764475de34e422c34761f9631ce865&action=2&catId=&documentId=GALE|EJ3010014234&userGroupName=viva2_tcc&jsid=d04
I run out of time because wife is at work and I have 2 kids who demand time. I don't need excuses for my opinion. It is human right to for everyone to have their own opinion isn't it. Why should I have excuses for my opinion, why do I have to prove that the same sex couples are not as good as hetero couples.
In adition to the fact that kids should have a father and that there are my theoretical questions why I think same sex couples are not as good for kids as hetero couples.
Is it not a fact that same sex couples split more often then hetero couples which is not good for kids?
http://www.technology.org/2014/10/16/homosexual-relationships-stable-heterosexual-ones/
Or from another pro same sex article in this link: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/gay-marriage-same-but-different/
While this study was very pro same sex couples they couldn't go past that. And while most argue that less same-sex couples divorce it is a fact that those couples are together mostly for a few years and didn't yet stumbled on hard part of the marriage (because same sex marriages are not legal for a long time) when the rate of divorce od same sex couples is likely overcome hugely the hetero couples.
Is it not a common thing that same sex couples will more likely to practice non traditional live still and there are no studies how would this affect to kids development?
And one last important qestion. Why most studies, who show that kids who live in same sex families are no different to the ones who live in hetero families do not acknowledge that a lot of this kids have either still contact with his other parent, or that they were raised to certain age in the hetero families before one of their parent divorced and created the same sex family with new partner?
One article about this:
http://dailysignal.com/2015/04/20/c...-couples-may-do-worse-when-the-couples-marry/
This is also the last my post in this thread so I leave to you the last word because i know you will have to respond.
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Isn't the primary issue here that we live in a culture which doesn't take the marital contract all that seriously and where love is superficial and lacking commitment? I have no doubt what the ideal family unit is, but it has to be lived out. Most heterosexuals are every bit as far from this ideal as homosexuals.
As for the studies and theories being posted here, I don't much care for them. From personal experience my love for both of my parents is quite different. My father had much more influence over my childhood and was always the one who took care of everything, but there's what can only be described as a softness I'll always have towards my mother purely because of who she is, even though I was estranged from her for many years as a teenager, after she left. A man can never take the place of a mother. The importance of the parent of the opposite sex in any young person's life can never be overstated.
As for the studies and theories being posted here, I don't much care for them. From personal experience my love for both of my parents is quite different. My father had much more influence over my childhood and was always the one who took care of everything, but there's what can only be described as a softness I'll always have towards my mother purely because of who she is, even though I was estranged from her for many years as a teenager, after she left. A man can never take the place of a mother. The importance of the parent of the opposite sex in any young person's life can never be overstated.
Ha! OK, I'll bite.
Point one - did you actually read the technology.org article? Because it disproves your point. I understand your language barrier and I appreciate it, but that article states stability in gay relationships is indistinguishable from straight. They are equal.
Point two: the author in the NY Times gives a very good reason why they may split up more, and that "more", by the way is 1.1%. I'd love to know the margin of error in that study because it is a tiny percentage difference. And, by the way again, crucially it was one year before your own technology.org article that disproves them being less stable.
Point three: Dr Hansen's article is on the level of Regnerus and readily misrepresents data in a similar way
https://808opinions.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/same-sex-couples-dont-raise-broken-families
Point four: your daily signal article is based on the notorious amicus brief submitted by Regnerus - once again, a now utterly, utterly discredited work of fiction.
Ha, just discovered it is a mouthpiece for The Heritage Foundation - another wonderful organisation you should really check out before trusting
Governments shouldn't be in the marriage business. Period. People should have to forma civil partnership if they want they're lives to be financially intertwined. I could care less if they are siblings or related or not.
I'm genuinely interested in knowing whether @Jerch was neutral in his attitude towards gay couples' adoption right at first then arrived at his current opinion through rigorous research, or was already hostile to it and got his views reinforced by studies that he found and never bothered to fact-check.
Given his reaction in the thread, leaning towards the latter.
Given his reaction in the thread, leaning towards the latter.
@unchanged_lineup its like speaking to a brick wall with a broken record attached to it. I tried getting him to see the same posts you're raising now, but it's just met with more of the same flawed research thrown back. Kudos for the patience though
I think that would be a safe bet. He certainly doesn't seem open to the possibility of having his view changed by actual research.
I think that would be a safe bet. He certainly doesn't seem open to the possibility of having his view changed by actual research.
@unchanged_lineup its like speaking to a brick wall with a broken record attached to it. I tried getting him to see the same posts you're raising now, but it's just met with more of the same flawed research thrown back. Kudos for the patience though
I think that would be a safe bet. He certainly doesn't seem open to the possibility of having his view changed by actual research.
We had a lot of practice in Ireland... We all got well versed in the authors of sham research, the shameless misrepresentation of studies and the organisations who do it. Because of broadcasting equality laws here, the anti side buried themselves in the end with the revolting nonsense they pushed
Even if you think that a male/female parental unit is best to raise kids it strikes me as odd that people are so against a kid having 2 loving parents who happen to be the same sex when they have no objection to single parent families, kids raised by grandparents, kids in care homes etc etc
It's almost as if they are homophobic (even if they don't know/admit it) and are looking for cherry picked, and usually innacurate/wrong, annecdotes to justify their prejudice.
I am not homophobic! One video which describes all my thinking and all my fears about the same sex parenting.
Sadly on one side there are people who try to give kids the best possible environment, on the other side are sadly people who talk just about me, me, me, my rights, me, my rights, my rights,...
Sadly on one side there are people who try to give kids the best possible environment, on the other side are sadly people who talk just about me, me, me, my rights, me, my rights, my rights,...
Sorry but you are an idiot if you do not understand that my thinking and my fears are that the childrens will suffer in same sex families. I think about the kids.
And I answeared the @Wibble question about 3 times in the last pages, if he couldn't see it and instead he decided to insult me this was the logical response.
Goodbye.
Just odd that you think you're the only one thinking of the kids.
Yeah, thinking about the children, by forcing them to be orphans rather than have to be raised by those god awful gays. What a load of shit. You hate gay people, no point beating around the bush.
I started to run out of patience when he said this:
According to him, Slovenia doesn't have any kids hoping parents (hetrosexual or homosexual) will adopt them. I mean, I haven't been able to find official figures but I doubt the number of orphans is 0.
Yeah because everyone who doesn't agree with LGBT is homophobic. This girl in the video nailed it with that sentence, when she said, that one group of gay people called the other group of people homophobic because they were against same sex parenting. It's laughable, if anyone is against he is homophobic etc.
And yes, most radical LGBT members don't give a shit about what is the best for the kids. And not just kids, they don't care of anything which is not their priority.
Of course it's homophobic because there's no other reason to be against same sex parenting. Studies have proven that kids don't turn out any differently.
And using the radical members of a group to try and prove a point is a bit foolish. You don't think there's radicals on your side trying to argue that same sex parents will raise gay kids. Or just want to molest them? Or other ridiculously offensive and misguided things?
I translated the first page of comments to see how people were reacting to it, funny how 90% of them disagree with you..
Last year 10 kids were adopted with 300-400 parents on the waiting list. Of course there are kids in the foster care because of many reasons (many are unable to go into adoption) but yeah there are more then enough parent's who want kids in Slovenia.
That's right.
And yet they raise their children to be more accepting than your parents raised you. Funny how that works.
@Jerch I've watched the first four minutes of the video and so far everything she's saying could be true of anybody who's grown up without one or both of their biological parents. The sex of the parents that adopted her is of no relevance. Will carry on watching though.
Studies which are fake. All studies are manipulated, the ones for and the ones against, in the end someone have to pay a study and the result is often changed to prove what the person who payed for it want to prove.
4-5 replies beyond you have a kid from same sex parenting who gaved a reasons why the same sex parenting is not as good as mother-father.
We don't even need a studies to know you're chatting shit.
Do gay people want to adopt kids?
Answer: Yes, some of them do.
If there an adoption process that puts kids with the best suited parents?
Answer: Yes, it tries to.
Are some of the best suited parents gay?
Answer: The sure are.
Terrific, let them adopt.
Do gay people want to adopt kids?
Answer: Yes, some of them do.
If there an adoption process that puts kids with the best suited parents?
Answer: Yes, it tries to.
Are some of the best suited parents gay?
Answer: The sure are.
Terrific, let them adopt.
The most radical anti-gay marriage people don't give a s**t about kids either because they just care about hating gays.
She wasn't adoptend but born to one of the two womens if i did understand it correctly. Yes the one parent families are also not the best environment for kids but I explained that also already.
@Silva i'm done with you, my parents raised me perfectly and i couldn't be more happy with the way they raised me.
Here's a website for ya
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence
Not sure about that, you've got a tinge of repressed homosexual about you. That'd come out if they'd done better.
Ok I gave you another evidence, now I am again off. Sunday is a d-day for my country. Please pray for the best
Come on! Not the parents Silva, not the parents.
Ok I gave you another evidence, now I am again off. Sunday is a d-day for my country. Please pray for the best
That word again...
In that video @Jerch, she says "was I homophobic when I was looking in the mirror, wondering who my father was?"
No, of course not. But she would still be wondering who her biological father was if she was raised for example by her mother and her new partner after a separation and had never met her biological father. She was still be wondering if perhaps her biological father had died shortly before or after she was born. And she would still be wondering who he was if she was adopted by straight parents rather than gay. The sexual orientation is of no relevance.
Then she goes on to say that homophobia and racism are not equivalent because you can tell someone's race straight away (which is not always completely true, particularly in the case of mixed race people). But if you are discriminating against someone on the basis of something they have no choice over (orientation vs. race) then it is equivalent. Just because someone who's gay might have an easier time 'disguising' the their sexuality vs. someone's ability to 'hide' their race is doesn't mean that homophobia isn't as bad.
No, of course not. But she would still be wondering who her biological father was if she was raised for example by her mother and her new partner after a separation and had never met her biological father. She was still be wondering if perhaps her biological father had died shortly before or after she was born. And she would still be wondering who he was if she was adopted by straight parents rather than gay. The sexual orientation is of no relevance.
Then she goes on to say that homophobia and racism are not equivalent because you can tell someone's race straight away (which is not always completely true, particularly in the case of mixed race people). But if you are discriminating against someone on the basis of something they have no choice over (orientation vs. race) then it is equivalent. Just because someone who's gay might have an easier time 'disguising' the their sexuality vs. someone's ability to 'hide' their race is doesn't mean that homophobia isn't as bad.
The tour that the video comes from was organised by Katy Faust, who famously runs the website called "askthebigot.com"
Edit: again, there is this thing called "checking your sources before you use them" that Jerch could really do with learning about. She is a legendary mis-representer of data.
http://theconversation.com/factchec...same-sex-family-studies-and-kids-rights-46257
Kind of understand it, but the repressed homo point is raised often in these debates. Do people accuse racists of being another Rachel Dolezal
Just for you another evidence
@Amethyst yeah of course everyone who is adopted is wondering who their real parents are. But she wasn't adopted, she was, what I fear the most, the child of one of the womans in same sex couple who got pregnant by the donor sperm. If we allow same sex marriage then we would have much much more kids who were born this way or in a situation of 2 man partners with the help of substitute mother and they would constantly questioned who their real parent is. We will be creating so called half-orphans and in the same sex marriage parent's will not be able to hide that to certain age when you could easier talk about that.
Also she didn't only questioned what would her real father look like but also what does it even mean to have a father, mother-father family can give you that feeling, same sex couples sadly not.
Just for you another evidence
Aw Jerch! Now you're on my home territory trying to bring Keith Mills into this debate
Along with Paddy Manning, he is one of the most vile, hateful and unstable people you are ever likely to meet in your life and, with little exaggeration, their antics were a big factor in why gay marriage was PASSED in my country Did you realise before you posted it that he's from my country? Seriously, these lads are notorious and I have acres of ACTUAL, REAL EVIDENCE from their own mouths to show how unhinged and hateful they are. Please, ask me anything about them. Once again, like all the other times, you really might not be so proud to quote them after you hear what they're really like.
If there's studies showing racists to be who they hate I'm sure it'll happen. They do tend to throw insults that mirror who they are though. For example, white supremacy being peddled by the most pitiful little cretins inferior to most people in most ways.Kind of understand it, but the repressed homo point is raised often in these debates. Do people accuse racists of being another Rachel Dolezal
I know she wasn't adopted, but the issue about the biological father is still valid. The points that she's making in that video could apply to anyone growing up without one or both of their biological parents, whether that's because they're adopted, donor sperm, their parents die etc. There is absolutely no reason to single out same sex parents in the way you're doing and say they shouldn't adopt. Otherwise I suppose you'll be campaigning to ban divorce and make laws so that one parent can't have sole custody even if the other parent is in no fit condition to raise the children. Children are going to question who their biological parents are no matter what the gender of their parents. And yes it's a difficult situation, but seeing how you appear to have no problem with straight couples adopting you shouldn't have any with same sex doing so.
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