Gay Marriage

Nah I am arguing for my country. The people who are against are happy to give them all the rights. The only question is the kids. They offered a law which will give same sex couples every right but the kids but the LGBT didn't accept it because they want the whole package.

How dare they ask for the same rights as everybody else.

And what they did in my country is shocking. They just change the definiton of the family (from the husband and wife to two persons) in the law which already exist which just create many troubles in law itself because it is written for the husband and wife.

Sorry, are you saying that a couple who are gay (whether they do or do not have children) don't constitute a family? Astonishing.
 
Nah I am arguing for my country. The people who are against are happy to give them all the rights. The only question is the kids. They offered a law which will give same sex couples every right but the kids but the LGBT didn't accept it because they want the whole package.

And what they did in my country is shocking. They just change the definiton of the family (from the husband and wife to two persons) in the law which already exist which just create many troubles in law itself because it is written for the husband and wife.
That's called progress. Your type said the same thing about interfaith marriages, interracial marriages and are now saying the same thing about gay marriage. Just accept it mate, you're stuck in the past and your views will be seen as backward for the rest of time.
 
Aaand there's the reason you're a homophobe. You don't want gay people to be equal to you. It's that simple.
I hope you don't pass on that kind of ignorance to your kids.
No I am not agnorant or homophobic because I don't want second best for kids. If you think that i am homophobic because I care more about the kids then about the same sex couple rights I maybe am but in this case I am racist, nationalist (everything you can remember) because in my opinion kids are always the priority. And the kids are not a human right, european court decided so.
 
Sorry, are you saying that a couple who are gay (whether with or without children) doesn't constitute a family? Astonishing.
Two people together, same sex or not, without kids are not a family. Or do you see a nice couple (husband and wife) outside without kids and you think oh what a beatiful family :lol:.
 
That's called progress. Your type said the same thing about interfaith marriages, interracial marriages and are now saying the same thing about gay marriage. Just accept it mate, you're stuck in the past and your views will be seen as backward for the rest of time.
I really hope this will not be the case in my country.
 
Nah I am arguing for my country. The people who are against are happy to give them all the rights. The only question is the kids. They offered a law which will give same sex couples every right but the kids but the LGBT didn't accept it because their want the whole package.

And what they did in my country is shocking. They just change the definiton of the family (from the husband and wife to two persons) in the law which already exist which just create many troubles in law itself because it is written for the husband and wife.

Aha, the Gays rejected it, did they? :rolleyes:

The new law was challenged on 1 September 2011 by a conservative popular movement 'The Civil Initiative for the Family and Rights of Children', which called for a national referendum on the issue, and started gathering the requisite popular support.

The name of that group sounds like the gays for sure...
 
The next generation is pretty smart so it's more likely they'll just be embarrassed by him.

No I am not agnorant or homophobic because I don't want second best for kids. If you think that i am homophobic because I care more about the kids then about the same sex couple rights I maybe am but in this case I am racist, nationalist (everything you can remember) because in my opinion kids are always the priority. And the kids are not a human right, european court decided so.

I agree, his kids will be humiliated by him, but people like him don't care. Gay people make him feel icky so that's good enough for him.
 
Two people together, same sex or not, without kids are not a family. Or do you see a nice couple (husband and wife) outside without kids and you think oh what a beatiful family :lol:.

Whatever. The point is that you don't think that a homosexual couple with children (through a donor or adoption) can be called a family. And you can't green smiley your way out of that bigotry.
 
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No I am not agnorant or homophobic because I don't want second best for kids. If you think that i am homophobic because I care more about the kids then about the same sex couple rights I maybe am but in this case I am racist, nationalist (everything you can remember) because in my opinion kids are always the priority. And the kids are not a human right, european court decided so.
You're homophobic because you clearly view homosexual people as inferior to heterosexual people. As is clear in your posts here.

Gay people have the same parenting skills are heterosexual people. No more, no less. They're exactly the same as everyone else. This myth that homosexual people aren't good parents is peddled by people who have an unrealistic ideal of a family. There's no such thing as a good family, it's all varying degrees of shit.
 
And the kids are not a human right, european court decided so.

That's exactly what Iona Institute said in Ireland, and what's it got to do with anything? :D

Next you'll be saying it's a human right to have a mother and father, another Iona line, and another one that is NOT ACTUALLY a human right.
 
Whatever. The point is that you don't think that a homosexual couple with children (through a donor or adoption) can be called a family. And you can't green smiley your way out of that bigotry.
No because there will be no adoption and no donor...
 
That's exactly what Iona Institute said in Ireland, and what's it got to do with anything? :D

Next you'll be saying it's a human right to have a mother and father, another Iona line, and another one that is NOT ACTUALLY a human right.
But the first one was. Oh that law that you gaved me previously was the same as that one, guess what it failed ;)
 
:lol: It really will. You're going to be corner with all the other bigots shouting about a better past that never existed.
Ah no it failed once already, why not again. The left party messed up the politics and if it fails this time it will be done for a long time....
 
Ah no it failed once already, why not again. The left party messed up the politics and if it fails this time it will be done for a long time....
It'll happen in your lifetime, and your kids will make sure it does. The more you feed your bigotry into their little heads the harder they'll rebel when they realise what a moron you are.
 
No because there will be no adoption and no donor...

Actually, there probably will even if your referendum is defeated as there's legal precedent

On 3 March 2010, the Constitutional Court in Slovenia ruled that a male couple with a dual Slovenian-U.S. citizenship, who adopted a baby girl in the United States, were to be recognised as the child's legal parents in Slovenia as well.[39] On 17 July 2011, the Ministry for Work, Family and Social Affairs allowed for a woman to adopt her same-sex partner's biological offspring, on the basis of a 1976 law. This raised the possibility that such adoption could be possible even if the 2011 Family Code were to be repealed in a referendum.
 
I am also suprised how can I been called names all the time and noone is banned yet... @Cina or anyone...
 
You're homophobic because you clearly view homosexual people as inferior to heterosexual people. As is clear in your posts here.

Gay people have the same parenting skills are heterosexual people. No more, no less. They're exactly the same as everyone else. This myth that homosexual people aren't good parents is peddled by people who have an unrealistic ideal of a family. There's no such thing as a good family, it's all varying degrees of shit.

Exactly. Even if you think that children need male and female role models in their life as they grow up there's nothing to suggest it has to be your parents. And kids who are raised with both their biological parents are taught good morals, skills and other life lessons by others in their environment such as teachers, friends, relatives and more. The amount of people who grow up with only one parent or with adopted parents of any orientation are proof that it's not an absolute requirement in order to be a good person and a contributing member of society.
 
Yes, duh, it failed but not because all of DE GAYS wanted the full rights, as you claimed. It was brought down by conservatives.
No no the law I was talking about was after that one failed. It never get to more than idea send to the LGBT.
 
No no the law I was talking about was after that one failed. It never get to more than idea send to the LGBT.

Which one? As far as I can see, the next one after the Family Code 2011 bill was the Partnership Bill 2014, which passed.

Regardless, it clearly still wasn't brought down by some gay lobby, like you were trying to insinuate.
 
It was the same before last referendum ;) The only problem is, that we will have to get at least 300 000 votes against that the referendum will stand. If there are 100% people against but just 200 000 people voted it will be accepted. And 300 000 is a lot of people for a country with less than 2m people.
 
Which one? As far as I can see, the next one after the Family Code 2011 bill was the Partnership Bill 2014, which passed.

Regardless, it clearly still wasn't brought down by some gay lobby, like you were trying to insinuate.
Again the oposition gaved them the idea of the law, it never came out because LGBT didn't accept it...
 
It was the same before last referendum ;) The only problem is, that we will have to get at least 300 000 votes against that the referendum will stand. If there are 100% people against but just 200 000 people voted it will be accepted. And 300 000 is a lot of people for a country with less than 2m people.

So it's gonna pass then.
 
Again the oposition gaved them the idea of the law, it never came out because LGBT didn't accept it...

You're not making any sense whatsoever. Which law exactly are you talking about, because I'm looking at the relevant laws and it passed.

Edit: I'd LOVE a bit of proof from you to show that the gays brought it down, but sure that'd be asking way too much, wouldn't it :rolleyes:
 
You're not making any sense whatsoever. Which law exactly are you talking about, because I'm looking at the relevant laws and it passed.
Forget it you will not find it because, for the third time, it didn't came out...
 
You're not making any sense whatsoever. Which law exactly are you talking about, because I'm looking at the relevant laws and it passed.

Have you ever heard an anti gay argument That makes sense?
It's all bullshit and bigotry like our pal here Jerch
 
If mods do happen to wander into this thread, I'd love a threadmark here to synopsise what's happened since Friday:

- Jerch bumps old thread as directed from some other thread to discuss gay marriage. Claims he will post proof to back up why he's against it.

- Posts debunked research, hearsay and right-wing American Catholic propoganda. All gets thoroughly debunked. Jerch claims all science is lies.

- Retreats back to classic internet defence of "well that's what I think and everyone's entitled to their opinion", the opinion being that some citizens of his country should be second class.