Carlo Ancelotti to Bayern for 16/17 | Confirmed
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This. The fact that you know what is coming and still can't do anything will be too much. It is illiterately the worst decision this club can make.
Ogden hasn't got an exclusive since Moyes got the boot.
We have a very stable team, a very good dressing room etc. I think the most important thing is that the next coach does not try to change this.
But - it will be very difficult to get their acceptance and respect after the years they had van Gaal, Heynckes and Guardiola as a coach.
Seems like everybody wants to tell something. Tomorrow's kicker.
Why Pep leaves... Guardiola leaves the FC Bayern - the reasons. Again trouble with the doctors. Ribery again more injured as first believed. Now even Lahm cannot play (injured?)
(Source that he goes again Marca...)
who isn't. But after all the nice guys like Heynckes or Pep, what about a real hate figure for achange. So when is Mou getting the sack?
If it's a hate figure you need, surely Matthäus would be a great option, with Hoeneß more or less out of the way
.Noone hates Matthäus in Germany, he has just become a laughing stock. Him at Bayern would be entertaining tho.If it's a hate figure you need, surely Matthäus would be a great option, with Hoeneß more or less out of the way
With Sammer, Rolex Kalle, Würstchen Uli returning and Beckenbauer still in the background there is enough personnel to hate at Bayern, no need for a specific manager.
If it's a hate figure you need, surely Matthäus would be a great option, with Hoeneß more or less out of the way
Hoeneß is not out of the way. He is very present at Bayern every day. He just right now works on other things. Today e.g. 3500 kids from social underpriviliged households and refugee kids were invited from the club (organized by the youth department or through Hoeneß) to a circus afternoon in the Circus Krone in Munich. All officials of Bayern were there, some players with their kids and some players even participated into the show. Hoeneß was serving sausages to the kids.
Matthäus will not even get a job as greenkeeper...
If Kicker report it and even devote most of their front page to it then surely they have a little bit more background than some claims of a Spanish paper?
i'd say as long as he is around in any position at the club, he will be at consulted, more likely have the final say in any important matter,because this is the way the club is structured. No matter who has what title on his desk door.
They claim that someone leaked informations to Marca. Why would anyone from Pep's camp do that? http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...el_darum-geht-pep-guardiola.html#omsmtwkicker
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...el_darum-geht-pep-guardiola.html#omsmtwkicker
16.12.2015, 23:30
Ausführliche Analyse im kicker
Darum geht Pep Guardiola
In Spanien und England ist es ein offenes Geheimnis. Nun ist es gelüftet. Pep Guardiola verlässt nach dieser Saison den FC Bayern München. Der katalanische Fußballlehrer möchte die bis zum 30. Juni 2016 vereinbarte Zusammenarbeit nicht fortsetzen. Den Oberen des Rekordmeisters ist Guardiolas Nein zu einer Zukunft in ihrem Klub nicht erst seit diesem Mittwoch bekannt, als die spanische Zeitung Marca davon berichtete. In der Donnerstagausgabe des kicker-sportmagazin erläutert Chefreporter Karlheinz Wild die Hintergründe.
Guardiola hätte den Schwebezustand am liebsten bis in den April 2016 hinein erhalten, doch die Bayern-Führung um Karl-Heinz Rummenigge lehnte aus gutem Grund jeden weiteren Aufschub ab. Die Planung sah ursprünglich vor, nach dem letzten Bundesliga-Spiel an diesem Samstag in Hannover in einer Pressemitteilung die Trennung zum Saisonende bekanntzugeben.
Durch das Durchstecken von Informationen an die Marca ist die Trennung nun bereits vor dem Wochenende an die Öffentlichkeit gelangt. Es fehlte zwar die Angabe von Quellen, dennoch sind die detaillierten Inhalte fundiert.
(they do not really pin it on own sources but talk about the marca and that it was an open secret in Spain and England...)
kicker names two sources: la marca and their own sources at the club. I recon the info especially of their own sources are pretty rock solid, as kicker is no towncrier.
Where do you read something about "own sources"?
That excerpt implies that they have more sources than just Marca.
Which begs the question, why do tz/Merkur, kicker and SportBild now all claim to have known from own sources all along that Pep informed the board already?
Were they sitting on this? Would be strange given the magnitude of the news.
Or had they promised to sit on it, a promise which is obsolete because of Marca breaking the news? Would be strange because without those German news outlets jumping on it, the Marca story would have just been another random story among many.
Or do they just mainly rely on Marca in reality?
If they would have a better source than Marca - and not just the typical rumours who probably point in all directions that are around since months - they would write different. They have done that in the past e.g. with the sums in the Müller transfer rumours (aus sicherer Quelle wissen wir... - that they have sources in this camp is pretty clear because they had talked about transfer requests for Müller before that were confirmed later). But they don't do it like this here.
Ribery is out again for atleast two months because of a rupture of a muscle bundle during that 45 minutes against Zagreb. According to Sky Pep and team doc Braun blame each other.
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Exactly and the most frustrating aspect is it'll be self inflicted, just like Moyes was. My hope is that someone advising the Glazers from the business end of things makes them understand the disaster Giggs would be and the damage 3 dud managers in a row will do to their cash cow.
This is where we need a director of football I think, we lack a structure of football men in the higher positions.
Giving the job back to an available Moyes would be illiterately much worse. But it is as if the board/whomever is searching through thick fog with their arms outstretched to feel their way forward. Meanwhile everyone else knows who the best manager in the world is and would hire him if they could. If, in a straight fight between Utd and City, Utd made strong petitions to Guardiola he would choose the club over City without even weighing up the other option.
So what?
There's a myriad of reasons why a potential manager would choose United over city - more history, a bigger brand name to be associated with and real freedom in terms of transfers that he may not get at City where his two ex-colleagues need to justify their existence.
There's also the obvious issue of reputation. City is a much easier job than United as it stands. It's like Bayern to a lesser extent with all of the building blocks already in place. United offers a chance to resurrect a big name - something his critics would say he has yet to do.
He may choose City but it's far from a foregone conclusion.
This forum is at it's hysterical worst when discussing Pep.
Calm fecking down until we see what happens. Holy shit
Calm fecking down until we see what happens. Holy shit
Most surprised by the reactions, even from Bayern fans. Pep was never staying long-term and never remotely gave the impression he would. If he wouldn't stay long-term at the club of his life with perhaps the greatest player ever, why would he with the Bavarian club?
Seems awfully naïve. I am, however, quite certain Guardiola leaked nothing. Only question is where he goes next as the Premiership seems logical
Seems awfully naïve. I am, however, quite certain Guardiola leaked nothing. Only question is where he goes next as the Premiership seems logical
He really doesn't stick around, does he? Part of the reason why I'm not concerned where he goes.
Two points for me: he's not sticking around for too long and so far he didnt have to build up a team. He was always able to take over a top top team so United could be a proper challenge in terms of building up a team
In true Bayern fashion they will go for Tuchel if Pep leaves.
Not in the munich media as of yet. Where did you get this?
Edit: found it at "kicker"
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Surprised about what? We knew he would be here for a maximum of 4 years. Life will go on, he's not the miracle worker some make him out to be.
He won't get City a CL trophy on his own.
The only thing I'm concerned about is the fact that I would be majorly dissapointed by him personally if he chooses a club like City. City is the pure evil.
A lot of German fans would say similar about Bayern who hoover up German talents
Some years ago this would have been applicable but it has changed.
*sigh* that shit never dies, does it?
Bayern hired 1 (one) top german talent from a league competitor, Götze, in the last 4 years. if we extend that to 5 years, it's 2 with Neuer.
also, name 1 (one) top club that doesn't look also inside the own league for squad updates.
If he doesn't get a champions league trophy at Bayern, I don't see how he could do at City.
I look at that City squad, I don't see how Pep is going to get Yaya to run. How he is going to cure the injuries Aguero or Kompany seem to get. Teach Mangala or Otamendi how to use their brain whilst defending. I don't know what he'd make of Jesus Navas.
De Bruyne is a good player. But do you see a player like that fitting in with Pep? Especially as I've heard reports that De Bruyne doesn't train very well.
I honestly think City is going to be just as difficult or more difficult than the Man Utd job. He'd have to make a decision on Aguero, whether they can rely on him. Yaya Toure will need replacing. Kompany seems to be picking up groin strains regularly like Rio Ferdinand was doing at his age. The fullbacks are hardly young too. Zabaleta, Clichy, Sagna and Kolorov all nearly 30 or over.
I don't see Fernandinho, Delph, Fernando or Toure as Guardiola type midfielders.
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You really wanna compare this stupid shit, which was never really true anyways, with a heartless club relying on some middle eastern sheik?
The myth that keeps on giving.
Barca has been as bad, if not worse, than us in recent years when it comes to buying top players within the country. Turan, Vidal, Mathieu, Rakitic, Bravo, Alba, Villa, Adriano, Alves, Keita have all come from EL or CL teams in Spain.
Sadly it doesn't work like that. Mourinho's Chelsea and Real sides were stronger than his Porto and Inter sides for example. All you can do as a manager is repeatedly put your clubs in a position where you have a shot at the CL. You have to be consistently strong, don't feck up against the smaller sides and then wait for the moment where it all comes together. Sometimes teams do it at the first try, sometimes you get really unlucky and miss out repeatedly. So much can happen in semifinals and finals between top teams, but if you get far on a regular basis, you'll take the trophy home eventually.
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...i-topfavorit-auf-die-guardiola-nachfolge.html
cliffnotes:
-"it's 90% sure that I'm going to join Bayern" - supposedly said by Ancelotti in a "small circle" in Italy - "according to Kicker's information"
-Bayern supposedly already contacted Ancelotti last summer, when Pep cast doubt about his future in Munich
-Giovanni Branchini who is Ancelotti's agent and apparently has been a close friend of Bayern's bosses for decades was spotted at the club's banquet after their last CL match in Zagreb. He supposedly has a very long going ("for decades") and trustful working relationship with Bayern.
-apparently he is set to sign a 3 year contract which is going to be announced next week (though I believe they are just citing Marca on this point)
I think Kicker are easily the most reliable source for football in Germany (barring some local papers for particular clubs obviously) and I'm convinced that they wouldn't commit so much to a story if they didn't have very reliable sources.
cliffnotes:
-"it's 90% sure that I'm going to join Bayern" - supposedly said by Ancelotti in a "small circle" in Italy - "according to Kicker's information"
-Bayern supposedly already contacted Ancelotti last summer, when Pep cast doubt about his future in Munich
-Giovanni Branchini who is Ancelotti's agent and apparently has been a close friend of Bayern's bosses for decades was spotted at the club's banquet after their last CL match in Zagreb. He supposedly has a very long going ("for decades") and trustful working relationship with Bayern.
-apparently he is set to sign a 3 year contract which is going to be announced next week (though I believe they are just citing Marca on this point)
I think Kicker are easily the most reliable source for football in Germany (barring some local papers for particular clubs obviously) and I'm convinced that they wouldn't commit so much to a story if they didn't have very reliable sources.
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Ffs, if true, getting Ancelotti is kinda boring. The van Bommel + Scholl plan sounded way more entertaining .
.Ffs, if true, getting Ancelotti is kinda boring. The van Bommel + Scholl plan sounded way more entertaining
Or Sammer. For some reason his name keeps floating around in some Bayern forums.