You're exaggerating big time.
Pep Guardiola at City next?
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Just looking at the odds, he is 1/4 to join City and 5/1 for United (same odds as Chelsea in fact).
If he does join City they'll definitely be looking for a new CM in the summer.
just one?
Inevitable he'll end up at City.
They've been planning for it for ages to be fair to them...
They've been planning for it for ages to be fair to them...
I doubt that Pep has already decided, who he´ll join. He´ll certainly have plans, but I doubt that he already negotiated anything. City is a very attractive club for any manager, but rumors will probably fly around till the end of the season.
Seriously, what the actual feck is up with Pep? Couldn't hack it in Barcelonaafter four years. Can't do more than 3 years at Bayern Munich. These are arguably the two best teams in the world in the last 7 years, a lot of which had to do with him being there, and they're both literally THE dream jobs for any manager in world. They are literally the jobs that every manager envies and aspires to having, kind of how like all players dream about scoring the winner in a world cup, and yet he's bailed out on them both in succession after a short time for mysterious reasons. Both times he decided to jump ship, his teams were arguably at their peak and showed no signs of decline. I don't get it. Is he too much of a family man? Does he have a love-hate relationship with football? Is he bipolar, or is he just a quitter? Whatever the reason, I've always wanted him to replace Wenger when he calls it a day, but this chronic jilting is beginning to ring alarm bells.
On another note, how worried are you now about him possibly ending up in Chelsea/Man City next year? I'm 90% sure he'll up at one those clubs in 2016 (no evidence, just a hunch and putting 2 and 2 together). I reckon it would make the league shit and boring, just like La Liga and the Bundesliga which dominated by three teams in total. We could also kiss goodbye any chance of winning the title for the foreseeable future, at least for a few years. This goes for United, Arsenal and every other PL club other than City or Chelsea.
On another note, how worried are you now about him possibly ending up in Chelsea/Man City next year? I'm 90% sure he'll up at one those clubs in 2016 (no evidence, just a hunch and putting 2 and 2 together). I reckon it would make the league shit and boring, just like La Liga and the Bundesliga which dominated by three teams in total. We could also kiss goodbye any chance of winning the title for the foreseeable future, at least for a few years. This goes for United, Arsenal and every other PL club other than City or Chelsea.
So we have Ancelotti confirmed to Bayern, and imagine the outrage when City land Pep and we're stuck with either LVG or Giggs - with Mourinho moving on elsewhere.
I'm already mentally preparing myself for the worst.
I'm already mentally preparing myself for the worst.
Two managed clubs who were able to win league and European titles. The other....well had only managed for just 4 games and wouldn't even be remotely linked to the job if he wasn't a former player whose best buddies with SAF/Charlton
You should be worried more if it would be Chelsea than if it would be City. Three years are nothing if you have to build a system, have to get to known a league and adapt your system to league and team, have to get rid of players not matching, have to instill team and discipline into a bunch of individualists etc.
Pep ain't the guy that pleases egos - he is not the one who will think about Yaya's birthday cake etc.
At Barcelona he got rid of all the individualists bar Messi - at Bayern Mandzu was the only one that did not adapt and he left after the season. Others already knew that they do not match the plans and left in summer 2013.
Pep is the best manager in the world and he´ll do well regardless of where he goes.
Still Chelsea are so far away from any system, that Pep wants to play, that I woulnd´t be worried at all. He´d need to start from scratches. I would be hugely surprised if Pep joins Chelsea.
City have already a system in place (regardless of how flawed it might be), that is in line with many of Pep´s ideas. They also have many individuals who´d shine in his system. He could build on Pellegrini´s work. Get rid of Yaya and Fernando and replace them with two quality midfielders and he would easily win the league by a 10 point margin.
Sid Lowe says we are still in the running for Pep.
There has been articles and reports that his brother has admitted he will go to city next. KdB's agent mentioned that Pep was mentioned in discussions for him signing. It may be tabloid crap but I still don't see him anywhere else than City. Too many links for it not to happen. United will look silly trying to get him as its a fruitless approach.
You mean as in?
This has to be a turning point, a historic moment. The next few weeks and months will decide the shape of the next decade in the Premiership (Apart from Ranieri, LVG, Klopp stories). Pep and Mou at a loose end, and probably very soon Pellligrini and Benitez too. Like buses, it's either a feast or a famine.
Not confident we'll get him at all. Prefer not to get my hopes up, if it happens I'll be over the moon but I've come to terms with the fact that he's City bound.
I believe what Graham Hunter has said regarding Guardiola and United is true, but he won't wait around forever for it to happen. He'll either replace Louis van Gaal or he'll never manage United given he's probably Manchester City bound if he doesn't replace van Gaal.
We'll feck it up. I wouldn't be surprised if he preferred us and we fail to capitalize.
IF that really is true, I really hope we steer clear of the Mourinho temptation.
With missing out on the CL for next season being a bigger possibility for Utd than for City, why would Guardiola be more interested in Utd than City ? Maybe he'll take his decision when the season is close to finishing and final standings are clearer.
If United do qualify for CL, though, as a club we're perfectly in line with the clubs he's managed so far in his career. As a team, less so, but it's completely possible that the club matters to him even more. And United are a Barcelona-Bayern level of football club in terms of prestige and history.
The problem is that if it happens then possibly LVG will stay.
I find it hard to believe that Woodward would be happy with two seasons of scraping 4th place.
We might comfortably finish in the top 4
. Anything can happen, the signs could be promising and Woodward could trust LVG more than ever. Unlikely scenario of course which is why it is clear for me he won't come at Utd. Too many unknown quantities regarding the club and a much bigger task to improve the team.That was posted days ago, the City rumours have only gotten stronger whilst ours have became less relevant since then. He's off to City, it's just about obvious.
In which way? In the way that United is a club filled with many egos who wouldn't let him reign as he wants to and dare to challenge or intervene? I don't get the impression that Guardiola particularly cares for the image of a club but for where he'll get unconditional power and unconditional funding.
Graham hunter annoys me, because he clearly seems to have a good idea of what's going on, but anything he ever says regarding united seems to end in abysmal failure on our behalf.
The logical progression going from Barca to Bayern would have to be united if he wants to manage the "historic" clubs, i just get the impression we havent courted him to the extent city has, and their squad is in a much better position for him to hit the ground running.
Still think he's city bound.
The logical progression going from Barca to Bayern would have to be united if he wants to manage the "historic" clubs, i just get the impression we havent courted him to the extent city has, and their squad is in a much better position for him to hit the ground running.
Still think he's city bound.
In the blatantly obvious way. We're one of the 3/4/5 biggest clubs on the planet in terms of stature, respect and standing in the game. Just like Barcelona, Madrid and Bayern. Seems an odd thing to have to clarify.
Ah you mean like Bayern where every footballer to have played a game for the club has a seemingly strong opinion? Our "egos" are overrated. In fact, our squad is full of players who don't have enough ego. Rooney is one big elephant in the room living on past glories, and Giggs has been shoe-horned as "next United manager" but I can see both leaving soon if Pep comes in.
This point also has to do with our lack of success over the last 2 years. When you're not winning then there's talk of "egos" and "poisonous dressing room", when there tends to be a lot more tangible things going wrong that can be easily corrected.
Unconditional power and funding? United give more power to the manager that almost any club out there. It was the system we followed under Sir Alex, and it obviously served us well, and has carried forward into the following managers' reigns. In fact, I'd argue that we push too far in the "manager is king" direction, and need to have structure that gives the club a leg to stand on from it's own POV too. Right now, it's basically "manager, do whatever you have to, and Woody will sort the other stuff out", whereas we could do with a few more people behind the scenes contributing to big decisions. So you're totally wrong on that one. If Pep comes to United, he'll have more power than he needs and more than he'd find in most other places.
The coaching part of the job in the recent years has gotten into a real full time job with a big staff. Video analyzers, scouts to watch the opponent, the nutrition of the players, the medical and physical department. All things that today take a lot more time of the manager than it did years ago.
Maybe it would be smart to paint and organigram how today's football department must be structured - and then what you see a coach or manager being responsible for - and what should be only in the reign of the club no matter who the coach is.
Maybe it would be smart to paint and organigram how today's football department must be structured - and then what you see a coach or manager being responsible for - and what should be only in the reign of the club no matter who the coach is.
He will end at City, where he can easily make his 0-10-0.
We don't have the players to play his football.
We don't have the players to play his football.
We play the brand of football he wish too, the possession based may be in slow paced with lack of penetration, which he will improve.
As well he can sign players in summer, but the question is who are those?
Plus side for city is that they are perusing him for long time now.But we also need to note that he had by passed city to sign Bayern once and this may be the second time for the managing club like Man United.
It's a shame that Pep will end up at City, because I think he would be the perfect type of coach after LvG.
I can already imagine the Manchester derbys with Mou and Pep on the sidelines. That would be entertainment.
I can already imagine the Manchester derbys with Mou and Pep on the sidelines. That would be entertainment.
Yeah, it is almost inevitable.
Nailed on.....
hmmm
In Pep Confidential, Perernau had a hard-on for how Guardiola would only manage big clubs with a certain historical gravitas. So in that respect, Barcelona and Bayern absolutely fitted. As do United. City less so. If that's some sort of deal-breaker for Guardiola, like it was for Cruyff for instance, then it's hard to envisage him at City. At the same time though, City have created the infrastructure of a real club, are endlessly resourced, and may have been courting him for some time.
Sabbatical and then Arsenal?
I think that's exactly the problem. You speak, understandably, as a fan of the club. Managers, coaches, players however take a very different approach to chosing an employer. This stature, respect, standing stuff is overrated by fans. It matters very little what you have achieved in the past; it matters what's currently in place and the prospects for short-, medium- and long-term success. To ignore that right now City's set up is extremely attractive is pretty weird.
I didn't mean any player of your current squad but on your board, and also Woodward.
Please forgive my ignorance but from the outside, that's not at all the impression I've gotten since SAF has left, and rightfully so. No single person should become so powerful to be able to not just make but break a club. Pep's spell at Bayern confirmed my perception that he needs devoted disciples but is pretty much in a huff as soon as he gets challenged, and I'm convinced that this will play a major role in his decision for his new club.
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