How do you understand how Pep works so well? Genuine question.
Pep Guardiola at City next?
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How do you understand how Pep works so well? Genuine question.
Absolutely, the Bavarians are bitter - media continues to take shots ahead of his exit like a jilted lover
How does it make his job harder ?
Pep is leaving BM. He will want to win the CL before he goes. This changes nothing other than stealing some of City's thunder and potentially undermining Pellegrini (although I don't believe this will work)
Why did KHR say he though he knew where Pep was going ? It's got nothing to do with him. This smacks of BM from my perspective.
There are many factors to consider in this.
Let's just assume that Pep is going to City for a moment, there has to be a plan in place to serve the best interests of all stakeholders.
Pep, as you say, would prefer to keep the lid on it until such a time that it wouldn't affect the remainder of the season at Bayern but now that he's announced his intention to leave he can hardly expect the media to not dig,stir and speculate to get that exclusive and plenty of clickbait in the meantime.
City, Bayern and even sources from other rivals may well leak stories to suit their own ends. Barcelona,for example, leaked the Pelle to replace Mancini story to settle old scores with City.
It's a game of Cat and Mouse that's being played at the moment involving many clubs, agents and journos all over Europe and beyond and they all want to be the hunter and not the game.
We'll see.
Genuine response, I know more about Pep than most in the caf simply based on the years of poor judgements of him I've witnessed here. A lot of you Bayern fans are much better because you've had him for nearly 3 years but Pep is a Barcelona legend. I became a fan of the club while he was still a player. I don't pretend to know him through & through but I comfortably believe I understand him better than most here
I've said it before, I'm not religious but if I did it'd be Pepism. Some of you Bayern fans have picked up on this mythology and romanticism he exudes
How so? Do you know him personally or have you just been following his career from afar like everyone else and drawing your own conclusions?
EDIT: just seen your response, ok so you don't know anymore than anyone else.
That's what I thought. Everything you say about him sounds oddly hagiographical and apologetical. And lo, the Bavarians sounded bitter because the savior had forsaken them...
Believing in Pep is not the same as "understanding Pep", though.
@Gentleman Jim Absolutely agree, I'm not sure he was fully prepared for the onslaught that would follow but perhaps Pep didn't expect his successor to be publicly declared either. I think inevitably he may have no other choice but to address the rumours or risk unsettling both clubs. I can't imagine it was his desire for it to get to this point but something will have to give
The sentence you highlighted has convinced me to never take anything that FCBarca says about Pep very seriously, no objectivity whatsoever.
Not convinced you understand what objective actually means. WRT Pep, in this thread alone you've already demonstrated how little you know about him so I don't need to be a Guardiola expert to know more than you
Smite the unbeliever!
Understanding more than most in the Caf after nearly 17 years following the club, absolutely
Bitter even by KRH's own admission that Pep couldn't choose City over Bayern. Sammer himself commented on the media attacks in Germany, no need to be coy
Ok then! I'll leave you with your delusion of romanticism and mythology about Pep.Pep takes over the best squad in Spain
Pep takes over the best squad in Germany
Pep takes over the best squad in England
Not really helping his case that the doubters keep bringing up
Pep takes over the best squad in Germany
Pep takes over the best squad in England
Not really helping his case that the doubters keep bringing up
Pep takes over the best squad in Spain
Pep takes over the best squad in Germany
Pep takes over the best squad in England
Not really helping his case that the doubters keep bringing up
Pep first took over a 4th division side in Spain before taking over the 1st team who finished 3rd and 18 pts from the top before they went on to define an era as well as bring along youth players most had never heard of
Bayern dominated their league but lacked a playing identity. Can't discount the impact it had on their World Cup either
If it'll be City, can't say they've dominated anything up until now
I wouldn't expect much pro Pep sentiment on here. It seems to have finally dawned that he is going to City which is an uncomfortable reality for United fans.
Pep is clearly a very talented coach and it will be extremely interesting to see how he deals with the PL. My money is on another chapter of success
Barca were a mess in the season before Pep but they still had the best squad in Spain. Madrid weren't even close
It's proper mental, isn't it? It's really mind-boggling how anyone can think that we're so bitter that we'd torpedo our own season just to get back at Pep and City.
I guess back when we signed Pep and the news broke on Sky Italia, it was also us who did that. We were so proud that we signed that god of a manager, we couldn't hold it in anymore. We'd rather make it more difficult for Heynckes and risk success than try to keep it under wrap. We simply had to make sure the world knew.
Well that, or you know, people talk, agents, friends, players, managers, coaches and the rest of the staff, which makes it impossible to keep done deals under wrap for an extended period of time. But I guess that option doesn't exist when Pep is involved, it's just happening with all the other players and managers, because they're just mortals.
And even if no deal is done yet, there aren't more rumours now than there were in the past year. For 2 years we've read that Pep will go to City. We heard how unhappy he is, how unhappy the club is with him, how players didn't like him and every summer he was supposed to leave. I guess all these rumours were also done by us? Because there's no way the media would speculate or journalists would write articles, pro or against, critical or worshipping ones unless we tell them to.
That's adopting such a blinkered view of how negotiations work. Do you really believe Txiki and Guardiola are the only two people involved in talks between him moving to City? They have family, friends and work colleagues, of course such a huge decision is going to be discussed between Pep and his people as well as the people who make decisions at City. Then, even if we accept your belief that Guardiola has demanded anonymity, that no leaks occurred by a single person privy to the decision, be it deliberately or accidentally, even in spite of the countless media talk from various reliable sources all pointing towards the same conclusion. We also have to factor in the possibility Guardiola has told Bayern where he is going which then opens up a whole new group of people who'd be aware of his destination. Your deification of Guardiola is immaterial, there are too many people involved in these deals for him to be able to contain any leaks.
I will be disappointed with his decision to join City. Not because it means he won't be coming to us in the summer, but because it means he will never manage here, in all likelihood. That's a shame for us and for him, I think. Manchester United would have been a very logical step for him, having managed Barcelona and Bayern Munich. It's only when you read the names of these clubs aloud that you realise how much of a step down City is. I don't know how that can excite the guy to do the job. It may not work out for that very reason.
What? My impression is that nobody really cares.
It's more that the fans of City are so bitter about everyone that they are trying everything to let someone stand in a bad light. Like in this case. It surely wasn't us, this circus doesn't help a bit. Why should we care about City? You are not a contender for anything we care about.
We hate you with absolute passion, like every man and his dog does in Germany, but it would hurt us more than you to leak anything.
I puked.
Yup, He is coward that way.Pep takes over the best squad in Spain
Pep takes over the best squad in Germany
Pep takes over the best squad in England
Not really helping his case that the doubters keep bringing up
How? Guardiola is leaving, he's confirmed that, that is the only issue that affects Bayern. Where he is going, unless he is staying in Germany, is irrelevant really. The talk of him going to City is clearly going to affect City more than Bayern, it's going to get the players talking and trying to find out what is happening and also guarantee a shitload of media speculation about Pellegrini's future that is unhelpful. Even if the players and Pellegrini have been informed of the truth it's still an unwelcome distraction. If a club has leaked it on purpose, then it's almost certainly come from Bayern's side.
As for hating City with an absolute passion, that's a bit odd given you just completely dismissed the club as a contender for anything that Bayern care about. So we're of no concern to you, but you despise us. I thought it was City fans who were bitter about everyone?
Mourinho's supposed obsession with Barcelona is really topped by @FCBarca's incredible obsession with Mourinho and hero worship of Guardiola.
Oh seriously man. I get it, you are in love with the man. How can people still bang on who was 3rd, who lacked playing identity, who this and who that. He is a premium club coach. He has proven that he is good at being consistent but nothing more. I don't want him at United but if he does end up here at some point when we are in such a mess, if he then succeeds i will close my mouth. Get a really good team, keep them good. This is what Pep has shown. Also, something funny - He got smashed by Bayern at Barca, next year got smashed by Barca at Bayern.
I think you have answered your question with your last paragraph.
Poor bitter Bayern Munchen. Suck it up buddy
Bayern fans hating City? Why? They are as inconsequential as they come.
That wasn't him.
Seriously? They are the symbol for everything wrong in modern football.
I think you have answered your question with your last paragraph.
Poor bitter Bayern Munchen. Suck it up buddy
Feel free to trace back my posts, I never cared whether he would stay or not. We've got Ancelotti, might be an even better fit, I don't mind it. And that's probably what most Bayern fans are thinking. I know you desperatly want to have a dig at us, like all City fans (Bluemoon love for Bayern Munich
), but that's not it, sorry. Try to sign Müller or something.I actually believe while it clearly affects both clubs, its more of a distraction for Bayern. It's a bad situation all around IMHO but even acknowledgment at this point by Pep isn't likely to significantly diminish the circus
I get the impression all parties save perhaps Txiki et al are struggling on how to deflect the spotlight as they have the least to lose although I am sceptical any of the parties could've anticipated how much of an issue it could become
@BobbyManc You'll soon see for yourself what Pep's approach is like and as someone else pointed out, United fans are unlikely to ever truly appreciate. Pep wouldn't ever be a part of a negotiation that could leak. I realise these things often come out in England but Pep & Txiki, no way.
I am genuinely curious what comes next because I don't see an easy solution
I am genuinely curious what comes next because I don't see an easy solution
I understand. I get a similar gag reflex when people compare Giggs to Pep
The latter part of this thread reads like a bitter love triangle.
I really don't get why you say that repeatedly. It's not in the slightest bit true for any Bayern fan I know. Maybe I don't know enough or don't read enough in German football forums, but from what I've witnessed when City fans came to Munich and how both fan groups interacted with each other, it makes zero sense that you say that. It's true that in general 'sugardaddy clubs' are seen as 'wrong' in Germany, but there's no real hatred for City. There's simply no reason for that. No one cares that much about City and why should we?
It's pretty clear he has this mythical image of Pep and Barca (and by extension himself) where everyone else is vastly inferior to him. One man RAWK.
He's pretty good, but his methods will probably only work with with a base built with a lot of great players and a constant supply of good players. He is right to pick jobs that ensure both.
Well, Guardiola is still working for us and surely it makes sense that we don't want to piss him off? There's nothing to gain for us, really absolutely nothing, but we have a lot to lose if Pep gets angry because we caused problems with his next club. Everyone at Bayern works towards winning trophies this season, more than anything winning the CL again. Why would we risk that? Because it might affect City's dressing room? Really? Why would we care about that in the first place?
Fecking hell this has descended into City vs Bayern vs Barca on the Caf, a United fans site. Brilliant.