POLL ADDED: Would you want Jose Mourinho as the next Manchester United manager?

Would you want Jose Mourinho as manager of Manchester United?

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Member 5225 said:
For those against appointing Mourinho, I say we simply cannot risk not hiring him and increasing the likelihood of not attaining top4.

No top4 = defo no Pep and anyone else of that calibre
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Liverpool got Klopp so it's possible, although it depends how highly you rate him, I know I'd have loved to have him.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
1 treble then.
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2 real trebles (Porto and Inter), and one shit treble (Porto).

Basically, he counted as treble the 02-03 season when Porto won the league, the cup and UEFA cup. In 03-04, Porto won the league, the cup and UCL while in 09-10, Inter won the league, the cup and UCL.
 
Member 5225 said:
For those against appointing Mourinho, I say we simply cannot risk not hiring him and increasing the likelihood of not attaining top4.

No top4 = defo no Pep and anyone else of that calibre
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So you think we could hire Jose until top 4 was achieved then hand over to Pep in the summer. If you hire Mourinho you are moving the club in the complete opposite direction to Pep.Also there is nobody else of his calibre so you would need to take a punt on somebody young who wants to play football the right way and for that no CL would not be a deal breaker.
 
Raees said:
Yes he did ... of course he can't be blamed for the ineptitude of those that followed but even taking coaching aside.. any top manager coming in would have needed to take an axe to that squad for us to have future success and that is a damning indictment of Fergies long term planning when it came to the latter years of his reign.

His top strikers had peaked.. no more left to give. No top midfielders in the squad whatsoever. . Even then we were aware Carrick was on his last legs and even his best isnt a man to build your future midfield around.

Defence full of players over the hill, no more to give aside from unproven youngsters like Smalling and Jones.

De Gea was literally the only top class player with longevity he left behind. The rest were over the hill, unproven or simply not good enough. We only won the title because the older players had enough about them to give one last hurrah. They were spent forces by end of that campaign.
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You make 2 assumptions

1) any top manager would have needed to take an axe to the squad
2) SAF's intention was to leave a youthful squad to stay at the top.

In response to 1), I'd ask whether you think SAF (a top manager) would have taken an axe to the squad. If not, then 1) is invalid. I'd suggest he would've trimmed it here and there and made some acquisitions whilst staying in the top 2.

As for 2) perhaps he did think the squad was good enough to form a good foundation for the next manager. Don't forget he didn't splash out on transfers for several years, perhaps giving the next manager the opportunity to have a huge transfer budget to tailor the squad according to their needs. The fact that £250m has been spent shows that funds were available. It's not his fault if someone comes along and spends 60m on Fellaini and Mata.
 
Just get this done.. Pep is going to city and we need a proven winner who knows the league.. He ticks all the boxes with the highest % of wins in the PL.
 
O'Sheady said:
So you think we could hire Jose until top 4 was achieved then hand over to Pep in the summer. If you hire Mourinho you are moving the club in the complete opposite direction to Pep.Also there is nobody else of his calibre so you would need to take a punt on somebody young who wants to play football the right way and for that no CL would not be a deal breaker.
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Obvs can't hire Jose Mourinho till the summer - he's the one IMO
 
Member 5225 said:
Obvs can't hire Jose Mourinho till the summer - he's the one IMO
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For those against appointing Mourinho, I say we simply cannot risk not hiring him and increasing the likelihood of not attaining top4.

No top4 = defo no Pep and anyone else of that calibre

So whats the point of your first post in bold then? You just want Mourinho in full stop , never mind Pep or anyone else. And why is it obvious that we can't hire him until the summer when he is doing everything possible to get himself the job now. Oooh Real Madrid want me you better be quick while I'm still available, the usual behind the scenes manipulative slimey nonsense. He is not what Utd need imo.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Yes I want him but I hope he goes to Madrid just to disappoint the people that actually buys this shit.
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:lol:

As I said in the Civil war LVG out thread - at least the board will get the idea of who the fans want. I don't particularly care for him but if it's between him and Giggs - Jose all the way.
 
I've just changed my vote to yes. Can't stand Jose, but the thought of more possible misery with Giggs in charge has swayed me:(
 
Trizy said:
Let him go elsewhere to prove he hasn't completely lost the plot, get in Pep for 3-4 years of success leaving behind a world class team that Mourinho can come in and add to with a blank cheque.

= United domination, again.
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But the chances of getting Pep are slim. We should have been tapping him up a long time ago. I fear it's probably too late now...
 
There's no 'I' in 'team'. Or in 'United' apparently.
 
SteveJ said:
There's no 'I' in 'team'. Or in 'United' apparently.
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Just can't wait for all this to be over. LVG needs to go before he looses his sanity. And fans and the club need a break from the bad feeling all around.
 
Invictus said:
This isn't an argument to make you reconsider your stance, or maybe change you mind mate, because everyone is entitled to their opinion - and that's fair enough.

But wrt the part quoted above, he fell out with the players/ upper management at Real Madrid and Chelsea - clubs that have a history of players running the show in collusion with the presidents who have their own favorites, and keeping managers on a short leash - with a list of insta-sacked managers that includes Champions League winners Juup Heyneckes and Carlo Ancelotti; La Liga winner Fabio Capello, two times Champions League/ La Liga winner Vicente del Bosque, and Manuel Pellegrini. Since the ousting of Del Bosque in 2003 (for reaching the semi-finals of the Champions League, and winning La Liga - how very dare he!) - Real Madrid have appointed 12 managers in 12 seasons - and José lasted the longest. At Chelsea, they appointed 7 different managers in 6 years between Mourinho I and Mourinho II. So we must consider the modus operandi of the cubs he's managed. At Porto, he had to leave because the players were going to get poached, and they were not at the elite level of European football. At Internazionale, the call of Real Madrid was too enticing to resist (no one can resist Madrid because of their history and accomplishments, plus he would have the chance to overtake Pep in the league - which he did in his second season).

Also, José is a very complex character - but people only see the bad in him, and it's imperative that we understand what makes him act in certain ways. This is someone who was told he didn't have the physique to be a footballer like his father Félix Mourinho. He was a scout, a youth team coach, a coach in god knows what division of Portugal with Estrela da Amadora, a translator, a training coach, an assistant. He worked his way from the very bottom - step by step, after being considered a failure as a footballer, and people like that always have a tendency to be snappy when they taste success because they always think they have something to prove to the naysayers. This is why he is so bitter towards Barcelona (who still consider him to be a mere interpreter for Bobby Robson). This is why he's petulant and arrogant - something that was fueled even more because of his meteoric success.

However, for the first time in his career, Mourinho has faced major failure as a manager - first at Real Madrid and now at Chelsea. There's a train of thought that says he's a broken man, or he's taken a step back and will never be the same; but I honestly believe all these events (and the poor health of Félix Mourinho because of brain surgery) will make him reconsider his stance as a manager, and maybe humble him a bit. Then you talk about United, and we indulge our manager - give him the sort of power he wouldn't have at Madrid or Chelsea under Florentino and Roman - something that was the root of superficial issues at both clubs. Plus, even back in 2004, Mourinho said he wanted to manage United and Liverpool at England. When was the last time he said something disrespectful towards United? Never, right? His biographer said he was distraught after David was appointed as Fergie's replacement. This is the job he's wanted, and the timing couldn't be better - a disgraced manager joining forces with a club that has lost its hallow, so to speak.

Also, wrt the pragmaticism part too - in all his seasons as a full time manager, José has never finished outside of the league's top 2 in terms of scoring apart from the 2013/ 2014 season at Chelsea - where they finished 3rd. That's a hell of a record for someone who's been stereotyped as a defensive coach primarily because of his big game tactics where being cautious can be the difference between winning and losing - because margins are wafer thin. Even Fergie's United played some dreary football for the first half decade of his tenure, our first League winning team under him was extremely functional; and again in Europe after THAT defeat to Real Madrid. So it's not like United has always played champagne football, even under Fergie. If we get Mourinho the attacking pieces he needs, he can build a beautiful counter-attack like he did with Madrid (who averaged 108 league goals per year under him, and set a new record for goals in a Liga season).

His career overall is a bit misunderstood IMO, and he's just a very easy character to hate (in the genuine sense of the term - not pop lingo) because of his pompous nature - which can color objective arguments (not saying you weren't objective in the assessment mind, far from it - and again it's just a matter of opinion, which is perfectly fine).
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That's a great post! I voted yes, even if I don't like him; this sort of post is instructive: perhaps my view of him is too coloured by his antics.

Anyhow, phone him up Woody.
 
RedChip said:
That's a great post! I voted yes, even if I don't like him; this sort of post is instructive: perhaps my view of him is too coloured by his antics.

Anyhow, phone him up Woody.
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It's not a great post, its a post which asks you to look at all the negative things you know about Mourinho and ignore them,sign him up anyway cos it is the easiest option for the club. What you should be doing is looking closely at his career and looking at the positives and negatives, weighing them against each other and coming to the conclusion that he is long term toxic for every club he has been at. Also you have to judge whether his football ethos fits the clubs historical ethos and if they don't (they don't) are you willing to sell that history down the swanny for a possible short term gain.
Also if Mourinho comes in here and Pep comes in at City, do you want Utd to be Mourinhos vehicle to espouse his anti football ethos while Pep has City playing beautiful passing football? Or do you want some third coach getting Utd to play some form of attacking football you could be proud of. I hope the club does not let the lust for short term success push it into a decision they knew was not right two years ago. The only thing that has changed in the meantime is Mourinho has lost even more of his gloss.
 
SirAF said:
Imagine if Mourinho attends the match tonight.. Scenes! :lol:
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He said he wouldn't attend any high profile games to avoid exactly this scenario. In reality he'd love to be there I assume.
 
O'Sheady said:
It's not a great post, its a post which asks you to look at all the negative things you know about Mourinho and ignore them,sign him up anyway cos it is the easiest option for the club. What you should be doing is looking closely at his career and looking at the positives and negatives, weighing them against each other and coming to the conclusion that he is long term toxic for every club he has been at. Also you have to judge whether his football ethos fits the clubs historical ethos and if they don't (they don't) are you willing to sell that history down the swanny for a possible short term gain.
Also if Mourinho comes in here and Pep comes in at City, do you want Utd to be Mourinhos vehicle to espouse his anti football ethos while Pep has City playing beautiful passing football? Or do you want some third coach getting Utd to play some form of attacking football you could be proud of. I hope the club does not let the lust for short term success push it into a decision they knew was not right two years ago. The only thing that has changed in the meantime is Mourinho has lost even more of his gloss.
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Well I think it is a great post. Whether you you agree with that is another matter. I think it is great post because it give the context which gives some insight into some of Mourhino's behaviour. I don't how you have come to the conclusion that it is trying to ignore it. He also makes some important points about why Mourhino may be a better fit for united than some of his previous clubs.

Clearly, you don't like Jose, but I think it is over-egging to say he has been toxic at every club he has been at: I would think Chelsea and, certainly, Porto will be glad he was there.
 
O'Sheady said:
For those against appointing Mourinho, I say we simply cannot risk not hiring him and increasing the likelihood of not attaining top4.

No top4 = defo no Pep and anyone else of that calibre

So whats the point of your first post in bold then? You just want Mourinho in full stop , never mind Pep or anyone else. And why is it obvious that we can't hire him until the summer when he is doing everything possible to get himself the job now. Oooh Real Madrid want me you better be quick while I'm still available, the usual behind the scenes manipulative slimey nonsense. He is not what Utd need imo.
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Yep get him in full stop. He wants it, we need him. Pep seems to want us to do a feckin peacock dance for him, turns me off.
 
RedChip said:
Well I think it is a great post. Whether you you agree with that is another matter. I think it is great post because it give the context which gives some insight into some of Mourhino's behaviour. I don't how you have come to the conclusion that it is trying to ignore it. He also makes some important points about why Mourhino may be a better fit for united than some of his previous clubs.

Clearly, you don't like Jose, but I think it is over-egging to say he has been toxic at every club he has been at: I would think Chelsea and, certainly, Porto will be glad he was there.
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I said long term toxic, I did not say clubs were not happy to have him at all but that his modus operandi tends to be go in, burn bright, burn out and leave a divided dressing room and a club in a mess. His post asks me to believe that Mourhino's last two failures and the ill health of his father will have left him a humbler man more suitable to Utd, that's a huge leap to make with zero proof, he will be the same old self obsessed Jose I reckon. Of course if you think it's a great post that's completely up to you, I just disagree with all of it that's all. Each to there own and all that.:)
 
O'Sheady said:
I said long term toxic, I did not say clubs were not happy to have him at all but that his modus operandi tends to be go in, burn bright, burn out and leave a divided dressing room and a club in a mess. His post asks me to believe that Mourhino's last two failures and the ill health of his father will have left him a humbler man more suitable to Utd, that's a huge leap to make with zero proof, he will be the same old self obsessed Jose I reckon. Of course if you think it's a great post that's completely up to you, I just disagree with all of it that's all. Each to there own and all that.:)
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Thr arrogance of this club appears to be from Charlton down to the fans. Fergie was Ghandi apparently. He never threw boots at players, give them a dry blower massage, or be a spiteful father to others. He was the definition of humble. He never claimed to be on a mission to knock of the biggest club in England when he was newly hired. Humble.

I think we deserve this. It happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British, the Scouse, Milan, and now it's our turn.

Ten years from now we'll be scraping to get into the top 4 and still we'll be talking about nonsense likr being humble.
 
mbb8 said:
Thr arrogance of this club appears to be from Charlton down to the fans. Fergie was Ghandi apparently. He never threw boots at players, give them a dry blower massage, or be a spiteful father to others. He was the definition of humble. He never claimed to be on a mission to knock of the biggest club in England when he was newly hired. Humble.

I think we deserve this. It happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British, the Scouse, Milan, and now it's our turn.

Ten years from now we'll be scraping to get into the top 4 and still we'll be talking about nonsense likr being humble.
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mbb8 said:
Thr arrogance of this club appears to be from Charlton down to the fans. Fergie was Ghandi apparently. He never threw boots at players, give them a dry blower massage, or be a spiteful father to others. He was the definition of humble. He never claimed to be on a mission to knock of the biggest club in England when he was newly hired. Humble.

I think we deserve this. It happened to the Greeks, the Romans, the British, the Scouse, Milan, and now it's our turn.

Ten years from now we'll be scraping to get into the top 4 and still we'll be talking about nonsense likr being humble.
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Humble wasn't my choice of word, I was quoting a pro Mourinho post from Invictus, try and keep up before you have your little rants. Also people who don't believe Mourinho is right for the club are not necessarily arrogant,they are probably just smarter and better all round than you shallow and dimwitted Mourinho fanbois.:smirk:
 
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