There is a big difference between being anti-Giggs and being anti Giggs as manager.
The anti-Giggs sentiment
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I would argue that taking over as our manager is stepping out of your comfort zone. You seen LVG lately? How did MOYES look during his tenure?
Agree with this, which is why we need someone who actually knows what the job is like -- instead of someone who thinks the job consists of getting a cool jacket and holding weekly jolly press conferences where everyone tells him that he's wonderful.
Anti Giggs? This is my first post in this thread.... and I'm frankly appaled that it's even a thread. Giggs has NO training and experience to be considered our head man. Enough said. We are a top 5 club in the world and with that, comes gigantic pressure etc... I have no problem if Giggsy goes to a smaller club for 4 or 5 years, gets his managerial legs under him and shows his ability as a coach. Otherwise, why are we talking about this? Nonsense.
Absolute rubbish.
Its ridiculous. People think they'd be getting Fergie's clone with Giggs in charge. Its nothing but a hopeless romantic notion thinking a man with basically no experience can turn United's fortunes around. Not even Steve Bruce, Paul Ince, Mark Hughes, Roy Keane or Bryan Robson are suited for the job and they have years of experience
Woody has been working on United for more than 10 years. I think that it is very likely that he knows quite a lot for football.
I mean, we call Gill a football man always, but we don't so the same with Woody. Both aren't players/ex-players/managers, but have been at United for a long time. Pretty sure, that he knows more for football than we do.
Saying that, agree with the post totally.
A fairly respectable journalist is saying that Sir Alex has offered to come in and support Giggs if he is handed the reins... interesting.
people forget that for every guardiola there's a seedorf, inzaghi, souness, keane, etc.
it's not worth the risk taking giggs up to be manager based on guardiola's success.
I don't call Gill a football man - not as such. He's a man who knows how to run a football club (with Alex Ferguson as the manager), and in that sense he's a football man - but he is no football man in terms of being able to assess what makes X a player to acquire, or Y a manager to hire. In that sense he is no football man - and neither is Woody.
You might wanna at least drop a link, I know most will ignore your post or rinse you for it but I'm interested in seeing where you got this from...
The more criticism that Giggs gets, the more i want him to get the job on the full time basis. We've tried with 2 very experienced managers and look how that has turned out. He was a part time coach under Moyes, and although he might be LvG's assistant right now, can anyone imagine LvG listening to anything Giggs has to say with his ego. Give him the fecking job and see if Queiroz wants to come in as his assistant.
What does Henry have to do with Mourinho?
Great shout.
Fair enough.
Well because the poster said that Giggs would be a risky appointment and you brought up Mourinho's name for comparison (a manager who has won it all). So was bemused and wanted to ask if you would be fine with Henry over any other renowned manager because according to you a Mourinho and a Giggs are both equally risky.
Giggs took the initiative on the sidelines in the last game. Now United are playing like someone's lit a fire under them.
It he's going to be at fault for the bad times, he must surely be credited during the good times, too.
It he's going to be at fault for the bad times, he must surely be credited during the good times, too.
This is true; but wouldn't a man who has already demonstrated ability to step out of his comfort zone, adapted and performed be a better bet than one who appears very reluctant to step out and expose himself to failure?
Well yeah, to a degree, let's not pretend it's an exact science. I agree that being close minded and adverse to risk could be a problem... (sounds like I'm talking more about LVG than Giggs here)
I guess he will be the next manager after LVG.
If we start criticizing the guy who serves lunch in the cafe, will you want him as manager too? What criteria is that?
That's so stupid
It's a counter point to the people blaming Giggs. Using their same logic against them.
There are no good times.
It's serious clutching at straws....'good times'
It's not a serious point.
Yup, and if you want to manage the team, let me know and i'll support you too.
Rikjaard didn't have a maturing Messi. He had a teenage Messi. Guardiola added Dani Alves to the team and messed about with the striker for some years. He had the core of the Spanish golden age that just started to win things when he took over. The only one who took over a better team than Guardiola was his successor.
Favored as in first choice for the job? I don't think he was. Laudrup has said that they wanted him but he said no.
Giggs might get the United job for a similar reason. It really is better to get Giggs than another manager of Moyes' quality if that is available. At least, even though it would be a gamble, it could be one to massively pay off. Really depends on what managers are available and if they want to join.
In any case, Guardiola won't have anything like that kind of foundation at United. Can he turn it around before his 3 year before-before date? I doubt it. Whether you want someone to lead a new dynasty or not, the next manager HAS TO be someone who looks to the future. United are not going to become all conquering any time soon, so a squad builder is a must.
That drops Pep and Mourinho down the pecking order, for me. On the other hand, Giggs wants to be here for the long haul.
That drops Pep and Mourinho down the pecking order, for me. On the other hand, Giggs wants to be here for the long haul.
We should be a few solid performers (and Shaw back) away from putting in a firm title challenge, you make it sound like we're in the wilderness talent wise, we're not.
So in conclusion, and lets have a fecking conclusion, some have a reasoned argument that Giggs may not be suitably qualified, and some believe his player status and involvement in the last two regimes qualify him well. Others involve the personal life argument which the vast majority don't care about.
Let's just close this thread, it's rawk gold.
Let's just close this thread, it's rawk gold.
As for the nonsense directed at Ryan Giggs - this is the man who never let us down in a United shirt. Never. He embodied and still does the hugely successful United of the Premier League era. From puritanical condemnations of his private life to some weird resentment of him even being mentioned as a possible manager for United, there are too many misinformed and hysterical posts these days on the caf.
Oh, you deleted all the bizarre stuff about LvG and somehow claiming the best manager in world football couldn't hack it here, and just stuck to defending your guy Giggs, there is no misinformation, he acted as a complete gutter rat as a person and has no managerial experience at all, thjose are facts.
Are you sure he never ever let us down? Do only puritans dislike someone having sex with their brother's wife for 8 years plus tying up the court system for months trying to keep the secret from coming out?
As far as resentment for his being mentioned, it's like how people feel when anyone anywhere trades on their personal connections to get a job they're in no way qualified for. No more, no less.
My, now the hysterics are coming to the fore - Ryan acted like a 'gutter rat' as a person? You, sir or madame, need help.
Didn't you read 'in a United shirt'? If you can explain how Ryan Giggs ever let United down on the pitch, then do explain. As for his private life, if you feel 'let down' because a famous football player had a consensual affair with another adult who was married to his brother whose marriage clearly was troubled, then I suggest you think hard about why you feel that way.
You are defending a guy who spent best part of a decade cheating on his wife with his brothers wife, that isn't the actions a sleazy sewer dweller to you and I am the one who needs help........sure thing.
This.People need to separate valid arguments with nonsense just to strengthen the point.
You're the one who need help if you think that has anything to do with whether Giggs is qualified as United manager.I certainly wouldn't want him to be my brother or cousin but so what?