Guardiola confirmed to City... what does this mean for us?

[goin4glory]

It means we're a complete mess with no plans. I mentioned in a previous LVG out thread that the only logical reason I could think of that he was still in a job would be if we had Pep lined up for the summer. If the club's plan is to hire Giggs then why not just sack LVG and give him the job now while the club is at it's lowest point? Same goes for Mourinho.

Keeping LVG in a job would be a smart play if we had Pep lined up because giving the job to Giggs in the short term is risky if he proves to be a success their would be a swell of support for him to have it on a permanent basis.

Now that Pep is gone to City and Carlo to Bayern our inaction makes no sense. If you want Mourinho give it to him now, same for Giggs.

 

[Jazz]

Make sure that Jose will take the job in the summer, if Giggs doesn't like it he can piss off.

Giggs should be pissing off right now. Has no place trying to go up against Guardiola ffs! It would fecking ruin us and I'm not being overly dramatic. Giggs just doesn't have the know-how, intelligence nor charisma for the United job - that's just the reality I'm afraid.

Have a feeling that if Mourinho got the job he'd be revitalised and would relish going up against Pep. Would be fun viewing as well. But the decision makers at our club - only God knows what they're going to do

 

[Enigma_87]

Further proof our club is run by a massive bunch of imbeciles.

They're happy for us to enjoy LvG, losses, draws, horrible football, more losses, philosophy, Giggs, more losses, routine sponsor announcements, pisstake press conferences, no trophies, declining youth facilities, dodgy signings, Woody, more losses, shit football, and all the while they're also happy for our neighbours to overtake us

I'm not sure what it has to do with our board to be honest. Pep IMO was always City bound only couple of optimistic fellows hoped he'd be at United.

The board should be blamed for not picking someone like Mourinho when he's available, rather than missing out on Pep...

 

[space]

Well, my day is ruined. feck you Woodward and our board. Let's keep giving LVG one game game at a time while our rivals change their manager (who's been pretty good) to the best in the world. Appalling.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

First, stop getting your knickers in a twist. Since when did assistants have more power than the managers they worked under? If I recollect correctly, he was against the ideology preached by Moyes and they weren't on best of terms. Giggsy was groomed by ferguson too. Should we just ignore that for the sake of your argument?

It doesn't matter who he played/worked under as far as I'm concerned, he has no experience and no right to be given the job just because he played for us for such a long time.

 

[RedMachine03]

 

[VeevaVee]

We do not have the time to experiment, we fall behind it gets harder and harder to come back (like liverpool)

Giggs who has very very little experience over a proven trophy winner reeks of United penny pinching and being cheap (like how we got moyes instead of jose)

We are no longer the big dog in the yard and sentimentality and that crap will not help the club in the long run.

Exactamundo.

Well it's easy enough to say then. I love going United, I ain't stopping anytime soon. You support your club no matter what.

There must come a time when you wonder what you're supporting?

The name on the badge, just for the sake of it?

I'm not saying we're there yet, but at the moment we have - bad decisions from the top, bad management and shit football. I'm not far from wondering who or what I'm actually supposed to be supporting because there's not much saving grace. I'm also not saying we need to be winning constantly, but there does need to be something to get behind and have faith in doesn't there?
Those up top need to make moves very soon and they need to be the correct ones.

 

[entropy]

I don't really get this at all. Giggs will also be stuck with the same squad that LVG has, which you presumably think is full of problems due to the fact that Mourinho won't be an instant fix. So, why would it be any different for Giggs? It has nothing to do with the markets either. I'm not a massive fan of Mourinho, but appointing him ahead of someone with no managerial experience makes logical sense.

Giggs knows our club better than Mourinho does and I can get behind him to turn things around. He deserves a shot and we fans know that. I think getting in Jose, especially after his shitshow at Chelsea is disaster recipe for Woodward and our club.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

First, stop getting your knickers in a twist. Since when did assistants have more power than the managers they worked under? If I recollect correctly, he was against the ideology preached by Moyes and they weren't on best of terms. Giggsy was groomed by ferguson too. Should we just ignore that for the sake of your argument?

We don't want Giggs. End of.

 

[Catt]

We'll never win anything ever again and are doomed.

 

[Summit]

I'm not sure what it has to do with our board to be honest. Pep IMO was always City bound only couple of optimistic fellows hoped he'd be at United.

The board should be blamed for not picking someone like Mourinho when he's available, rather than missing out on Pep...

And why is that exactly? Because City were most prob putting in the ground work while we was giving LvG a 3 year deal, whilst knowing at the same time Pep's contact would be up in two years.

He's right, I'm not sure what our board is up to nowadays.

 

[JPRouve]

If we sign Mourinho, we will need a safety glasses sponsorship.

 

[Beachryan]

It's easier to spend money than make it?

Don't get me wrong, we're being left in City's dust in terms of how to run a football club - but come on, they can spend anything they want. We're rich, but we're not cheat code rich. They've put more money into their academy which has basically delivered them a decent sub than we've spent on transfers in the post-Fergie era. They have gorgeous, top of the line facilities, down to the best menu for journalists in the country on matchday, an incredible new reserve stadium and so forth. A pretty amazing squad that is generally around peak age. A successful manager they're happy to pay off to leave early to hire an even more successful manager at I'm sure incredible cost. They spend twice what we did (net) in the summer and no one utters a word, but every match someone mentions LVG's expenditure. Because for City that is normal.

It IS impressive, but their room for error is enormous. We don't have that luxury because SAF and Gill allowed us to be bought by people who view us as a business, not a football club.

In theory this should be the final piece of the puzzle in establishing them in the Top 5 clubs in Europe. And that will come at the expense, presumably of ourselves. (Real/Barca/Bayern/PSG/City). And the answer to the question of how can you get into such exalted company? A little under 1.5bn all in, and half a decade.

The interesting question for Ed is how much does it cost to ruin a football club?

 

[Sultan]

Woody is a double agent. He also works for City. That's the sum of my contribution to the thread.

 

[Oneunited26]

I'm surprised so many have a strong opinion about this. Guardiola for us was always a bit of a pipe dream.

Amazing how it can take a small club with allot of money to achieve pip dreams, how bad is this club being run?

 

[Escobar]

Simeone, Pochettino, Mourinho would all do.

Very good shortlist iwth Pochettino being my favorite. But we also need to set up our club right tbf. Just changing the manager wont be enough I'm afraid

 

[Offside]

I am trying to avoid a meltdown but I can see it now. Summer 2016:

- Pep to City
- Simeone to Chelsea
- United with no Champions League football and another year of Van Gaal

The board needs to act now but I have 0 faith in that. Ed Woodward in my eyes is simply a moron.

 

[Summit]

All this talk of City's academy is laughable, considering they buy every first team player. Having a great academy is great of you use it.

 

[Bestie07]

It means we're a complete mess with no plans. I mentioned in a previous LVG out thread that the only logical reason I could think of that he was still in a job would be if we had Pep lined up for the summer. If the club's plan is to hire Giggs then why not just sack LVG and give him the job now while the club is at it's lowest point? Same goes for Mourinho.

Keeping LVG in a job would be a smart play if we had Pep lined up because giving the job to Giggs in the short term is risky if he proves to be a success their would be a swell of support for him to have it on a permanent basis.

Now that Pep is gone to City and Carlo to Bayern our inaction makes no sense. If you want Mourinho give it to him now, same for Giggs.

Exactly my thoughts. I was hoping against hope that our board couldn't be so fecking inept that they'll refuse to fire our absolute dinosaur of a manager after our showings and results so far this season, that the reason for this was we were hoping to get Pep in the summer, clearly that is not the case. Our board is that fecking inept.

 

[entropy]

We do not have the time to experiment, we fall behind it gets harder and harder to come back (like liverpool)

Giggs who has very very little experience over a proven trophy winner reeks of United penny pinching and being cheap (like how we got moyes instead of jose)

We are no longer the big dog in the yard and sentimentality and that crap will not help the club in the long run.

United fans will forever moan about this and I do not expect it to change anytime soon. So, we should appoint Jose out of fear that we might end up like Liverpool. That is no way to solve a problem.

 

[Oneunited26]

It's easier to spend money than make it?

Don't get me wrong, we're being left in City's dust in terms of how to run a football club - but come on, they can spend anything they want. We're rich, but we're not cheat code rich. They've put more money into their academy which has basically delivered them a decent sub than we've spent on transfers in the post-Fergie era. They have gorgeous, top of the line facilities, down to the best menu for journalists in the country on matchday, an incredible new reserve stadium and so forth. A pretty amazing squad that is generally around peak age. A successful manager they're happy to pay off to leave early to hire an even more successful manager at I'm sure incredible cost. They spend twice what we did (net) in the summer and no one utters a word, but every match someone mentions LVG's expenditure. Because for City that is normal.

It IS impressive, but their room for error is enormous. We don't have that luxury because SAF and Gill allowed us to be bought by people who view us as a business, not a football club.

In theory this should be the final piece of the puzzle in establishing them in the Top 5 clubs in Europe. And that will come at the expense, presumably of ourselves. (Real/Barca/Bayern/PSG/City). And the answer to the question of how can you get into such exalted company? A little under 1.5bn all in, and half a decade.

The interesting question for Ed is how much does it cost to ruin a football club?

That is an interesting question, since he was one of the main men behind the glazer takeover, since Ed has returned to finish the job off

 

[Crackers]

Woody is a double agent. He also works for City. That's the sum of my contribution to the thread.

It's a pretty decent contribution, I'd believe it myself.. He's a clueless moron who's only concerned with improving revenues.

 

[fallengt]

That our club being run by clowns .
Sticking with LvG would only make sense if he was 40-50 years old and could be our long term solution.

 

[Varun]

We need to get our fecking act together because this can get really really messy now.

 

[Rado_N]

It's amusing how many people seem to think that this is indicative of a failing by United. As if all that would have been required to get Pep at OT would be to want it.

 

[clarkydaz]

Hansen was correct all them years ago, you never win anything with Giggs

 

[entropy]

We don't want Giggs. End of.

it's a match made in heaven.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

it's a match made in heaven.

For who? Deluded traditional fans?

 

[SSSSnake]

Really we shouldn't need something like Pep to give us the kick up the arse. The wheels should have been in motion since we slipped out of the top four. LVG should have been sacked but we want to play the naïve card of "we're not like other clubs"

We're falling behind whilst other clubs are making big moves. Your move Ed.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Unfortunately, if we want to compete with City for next few years, we might have to get Mourinho to park the bus.... that could be our only hope.

 

[entropy]

It doesn't matter who he played/worked under as far as I'm concerned, he has no experience and no right to be given the job just because he played for us for such a long time.

FFS, get over yourself. If there is any ex player who deserves a shot at managing our club, it is Giggsy.

 

[dasty]

Do people here really thinks that Guardiola will come to us? He only goes to clubs that are already established with guaranteed trophies, he is never going to do any rebuilding.

 

[Enigma_87]

And why is that exactly? Because City were most prob putting in the ground work while we was giving LvG a 3 year deal, whilst knowing at the same time Pep's contact would be up in two years.

He's right, I'm not sure what our board is up to nowadays.

Because City have laid the foundations of bringing him in long time ago IMO and were always in pole position. Only before 1-2 months he would've been on our radar. It's clear that the board wanted to give LvG the option to see out his contract and then look for another, while on the same time Pep was on the move at the end of the season.

IMO Pep was never a option for us at this time. Jose on the other hand. As for the non bolded part I agree, any other club will have long sacked LvG...

 

[GimmeAKitKat]

Pochettino's contract runs till at least 2019, it would cost a fecking tonne to pry him away from Daniel Levy.

Mourinho would surely have been in place by now if it was going to happen. Maybe the board were delusional enough to think pep was still an option and Mourinho might now happen, but seems unlikely to me.

Any of the the other names i just think....why would they want to. Simeone?....Atletico are better than us currently. LeBlanc, he can live in France, walk the league and they're still better than us in the Champions League too.

Giggs i still think spells the end for United as a major power. As far as im concerned if Giggs had the potential to change anything at United, we wouldn't have been as horrendous during his tenure as assistant as we have been. And if he has no input at all currently and is just watching us sink, then i dont think he has the balls to take on the job either.

Ideally now i think you get Mourinho in tomorrow, hope he can turn around this season and get top 4, give him the money to go out and buy world class players and if you need to change manager again in 2 years then so be it, atleast have Mourinho get us back in contention.

 

[Mister_Stubbs]

FFS, get over yourself. If there is any ex player who deserves a shot at managing our club, it is Giggsy.

So this is what it boils down to, just because he played for us.. if this is the route you are demanding we take then the likes of Hughes and Bruce are far more qualified and experienced than Giggs to take over and still I wouldn't want either.

 

[Irrational.]

The board needs to act now but I have 0 faith in that. Ed Woodward in my eyes is simply a moron.

 

[Summit]

Because City have laid the foundations of bringing him in long time ago IMO

That's exactly my point. And also my other point is, why haven't we tried to get him a long time ago?

 

[Cheesy]

Giggs knows our club better than Mourinho does and I can get behind him to turn things around. He deserves a shot and we fans know that. I think getting in Jose, especially after his shitshow at Chelsea is disaster recipe for Woodward and our club.

Why?! I get that some people like the romanticism of it all, but I really do not understand what on earth he has done to "deserve" a shot?

 

[Smores]

FFS, get over yourself. If there is any ex player who deserves a shot at managing our club, it is Giggsy.

Deserves on what basis? Being a decent player with a long career?

Why not Neville or Scholes?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

All this talk of City's academy is laughable, considering they buy every first team player. Having a great academy is great of you use it.

We use academy players from an academy that isn't great.

 

[JPRouve]

FFS, get over yourself. If there is any ex player who deserves a shot at managing our club, it is Giggsy.

That's the key, none of them deserve it.