Guardiola confirmed to City... what does this mean for us?

Seriously, as I said in the match thread - won't Pep have much more of a bigger job than we think? Seeing City get humiliated by Leicester has really exposed them I think. Coupled with Pep trying to instill his 'philosophy' into the team and you have to wonder if it won't be as smooth as we think for him? I know they will buy players but still, you have to integrate them into the team, whilst teaching most of them a new way of playing football (sounds similar to us, except we haven't quite got the end product under LVG:D).

Surely it won't be a walk in the park?

Edit - think he would have been better coming to us as we've at least got the basics of the possession football in place. Yeah I know it's not working the way everyone would want - but at least he wouldn't have to introduce a totally new concept to our lads. Silly Pep!
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So United supposedly spend a fortune, no mention of City who have spent over £200m in the last 2 seasons on
Sterling, Delph, Otamendi, Bony, Mangala Fernando, De Bruyne.
De Bruyne should be a good buy....
Their best players are getting older.
Are City better than they were 3 years ago, not imo yet Pep's gonna walk it, hmm, will reserve judgement.
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City can do no wrong and all is great there. Just look at this forum.
 
Brown Toothpick said:
What an easy job he got ;)
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The funny thing is that if he does well at City, people would be saying exactly that.

I mean, for a lot of people the narrative is that he found the best squad of all time, won a few titles with them, then left while the team continued being as successful. Somehow missing that the best squad of all time, had just finished 18 points below an average Madrid (who got eliminated in 1/8 of UCL for the fourth time in a row) and 10 points below an average Villareal. And that he made some astute signing in Alves, Pique promoting players like Busquets and getting rid of Barca's best two players from the previous regime.

I am sure that if he does well people will be saying that everyone could have done well with a team who has Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Sterling and unlimited resources.
 
Red Katie said:
City can do no wrong and all is great there. Just look at this forum.
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I'm hoping the press has a right go at them for getting thumped but I won't hold my breath. If it were us - you wouldn't hear the end of it.
 
Revan said:
Since the last time Van Gaal won UCL, Guardiola changed 6 clubs, retired, started as manager, won 6 league titles in addition to 2 UCL. The same can be said for Mourinho, bar the changing teams as footballer.

But yep, by getting rid of the cluelessone 2.0, we are giving up on winning UCL.
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The question is whether Pep can win anything without having the best players by far. He has in the Buli, and wins it convincingly, he had them in the CL, and won it but not very convincingly.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
The question is whether Pep can win anything without having the best players by far. He has in the Buli, and wins it convincingly, he had them in the CL, and won it but not very convincingly.
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No-one ever won UCL convincingly.

The best team by far had just finished 18 points below Schuster's Madrid and 10 points below Pellegrini's Villareal when Pep took over Barca.
 
Revan said:
The funny thing is that if he does well at City, people would be saying exactly that.

I mean, for a lot of people the narrative is that he found the best squad of all time, won a few titles with them, then left while the team continued being as successful. Somehow missing that the best squad of all time, had just finished 18 points below an average Madrid (who got eliminated in 1/8 of UCL for the fourth time in a row) and 10 points below an average Villareal. And that he made some astute signing in Alves, Pique promoting players like Busquets and getting rid of Barca's best two players from the previous regime.

I am sure that if he does well people will be saying that everyone could have done well with a team who has Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Sterling and unlimited resources.
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It'll be the same everywhere he goes. Like you said, if he wins? Its an easy job with everything already set for success. He loses? He's a fraud.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So United supposedly spend a fortune, no mention of City who have spent over £200m in the last 2 seasons on
Sterling, Delph, Otamendi, Bony, Mangala Fernando, De Bruyne.
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Are you serious?
It's seemingly impossible to listen to a commentary on a City game without some numpty commentator prattling on about "moneybags Manchester City" or "Manchester City's millionaires"
 
cyberman said:
The difference between the posts on this forum and Citys actual performances is ridiculous. City have been woeful over the last two seasons yet still get praised for the way they are run and their greatest squad ever. Even their last title win was a Liverpool collapse.
They amount of posts that slammed our club based on City winning this league title are looking like a joke atm.
Looking like 2 league titles in 6 years. That domiance huh?
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City have been very well run since 2012 but some bollocks do get dropped and these are highlighted in the media, on here and on City's Fansites.
Liverpool's "collapse" that you occasionally mention actually consists of 12 wins 1 draw and 1 loss in their last 14 league games. They lost the league because of defeats early in the season not at the end. If that's a collapse I think both City and United would welcome a similar collapse to end this season.:D
 
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Revan said:
The funny thing is that if he does well at City, people would be saying exactly that.

I mean, for a lot of people the narrative is that he found the best squad of all time, won a few titles with them, then left while the team continued being as successful. Somehow missing that the best squad of all time, had just finished 18 points below an average Madrid (who got eliminated in 1/8 of UCL for the fourth time in a row) and 10 points below an average Villareal. And that he made some astute signing in Alves, Pique promoting players like Busquets and getting rid of Barca's best two players from the previous regime.

I am sure that if he does well people will be saying that everyone could have done well with a team who has Aguero, Silva, De Bruyne, Sterling and unlimited resources.
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Now that he's chosen City his achievements will always be qualified by comparison to others who managed in different circumstances.
If he was on his way to United his critics on the Caf would mostly be eulogising about him and his success. That drooling emoticon :drool: would be much in evidence.
 
Jazz said:
I'm hoping the press has a right go at them for getting thumped but I won't hold my breath. If it were us - you wouldn't hear the end of it.
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What would be the point? They've had an asskicking a few times this season already.
Heavy defeats like Leicester, Liverpool and Spurs this season only serve to highlight the weaknesses of many of the players. Some have "gone" physically (Zabaleta, Toure, maybe Silva and Kompany) some are mentally too weak or just not good enough for Pep (Kolarov, Clichy, Fernando and maybe Mangala).
Throw in a shitload of injuries and all this "they should be walking the league with that squad" you hear from critics and phone in ranters is shown to be just misguided sloganeering.
No City fan I've spoken to has ever tipped them to do a quadruple or treble and most would be happy with one trophy this season.
City are about to undergo a transition which may take a couple of years but it will leave City younger, tougher, hungrier and more tactically aware.
 
Akash said:
Are you actually denying that? fecking hell...

Pellegrini being shit does not detract away from the fact that Pep has once again chosen the easiest option out there.
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If Pep doesn't win the CL with Bayern this season, can we call his time there a little disappointing? Winning the Bundesliga is a formality for Bayern right now; what with their squad and financial dominance over the rest of the league. He actually took the best team in Europe, and made them a little worse.

In Europe he's been trounced twice in two seasons, at the semi-final stage; admittedly by the big two. But he's not going to have a squad as good as Bayern's in his first year (or two) at City, and he's going to be in a league much more competitive than any he's ever managed in. Don't get me wrong, I have huge admiration for him as a coach, but despite selecting the club with the most resources, and (probably) best squad in the division (again), I think he's going to find the EPL very tough.
 
simonhch said:
If Pep doesn't win the CL with Bayern this season, can we call his time there a little disappointing? Winning the Bundesliga is a formality for Bayern right now; what with their squad and financial dominance over the rest of the league. He actually took the best team in Europe, and made them a little worse.

In Europe he's been trounced twice in two seasons, at the semi-final stage; admittedly by the big two. But he's not going to have a squad as good as Bayern's in his first year (or two) at City, and he's going to be in a league much more competitive than any he's ever managed in. Don't get me wrong, I have huge admiration for him as a coach, but despite selecting the club with the most resources, and (probably) best squad in the division (again), I think he's going to find the EPL very tough.
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Well, he's won 3 league titles so overall it's hard to say he hasn't done a good job. At the very least he's done a par job I'd say.

What I find most annoying about Pep though is the wanking over him for no apparent reason. He plays weird wacky formations with 1 defender and about 10 CM's (Of course the one 1 defender is usually a CM playing out of position and the 10 CM's are usually anything but actual CM's) and gets praised for being a genius after he beats another relatively shitty team. feck off.
 
Akash said:
Well, he's won 3 league titles so overall it's hard to say he hasn't done a good job. At the very least he's done a par job I'd say.

What I find most annoying about Pep though is the wanking over him for no apparent reason. He plays weird wacky formations with 1 defender and about 10 CM's (Of course the one 1 defender is usually a CM playing out of position and the 10 CM's are usually anything but actual CM's) and gets praised for being a genius after he beats another relatively shitty team. feck off.
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I get what you are saying. But if he hadn't won the league, it'd be an abject failure considering the squad and lack of competition.
 
Jazz said:
Seriously, as I said in the match thread - won't Pep have much more of a bigger job than we think? Seeing City get humiliated by Leicester has really exposed them I think. Coupled with Pep trying to instill his 'philosophy' into the team and you have to wonder if it won't be as smooth as we think for him? I know they will buy players but still, you have to integrate them into the team, whilst teaching most of them a new way of playing football (sounds similar to us, except we haven't quite got the end product under LVG:D).

Surely it won't be a walk in the park?

Edit - think he would have been better coming to us as we've at least got the basics of the possession football in place. Yeah I know it's not working the way everyone would want - but at least he wouldn't have to introduce a totally new concept to our lads. Silly Pep!
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I think the City players just aren't that motivated now they know Pellegrini won't be sticking around. The early announcement of Pep could well have wrecked their season.

Next season will be very different, though. They already pass the ball around very well around the opponent's box, and they have players capable of playing Pep's style in deeper positions as well. And of course, I expect him to have a nearly limitless cheque-book to sign whoever he pleases. Think he'll do well in the PL but still won't bring them European glory.

Jazz said:
I'm hoping the press has a right go at them for getting thumped but I won't hold my breath. If it were us - you wouldn't hear the end of it.
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Nobody gives a damn about City. Whenever they've won the title, more headlines have been about the team that lost out.
 
Akash said:
Are you actually denying that? fecking hell...

Pellegrini being shit does not detract away from the fact that Pep has once again chosen the easiest option out there.
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Not pretending he is the second coming of Ferguson but he's hardly shit is he?
Some pundits were nominating him as the most suitable man for the United job next season but for all sorts of reasons that can't happen. In this instant sound bite world a manager can go from hero to zero in 90 minutes. Mou was a past it nutjob in December and now is United's great hope of salvation for many.
 
Gentleman Jim said:
City have been very well run since 2012 but some bollocks do get dropped and these are highlighted in the media, on here and on City's Fansites.
Liverpool's "collapse" that you occasionally mention actually consists of 12 wins 1 draw and 1 loss in their last 14 league games. They lost the league because of defeats early in the season not at the end. If that's a collapse I think both City and United would welcome a similar collapse to end this season.:D
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They were widely thought to be in the race for fourth v us up until they destroyed us at Old Trafford and went on that amazing run. Basically the only decent run any top side had that year only to lose to Chelseas reserves (who were focused on a CL final 2 days later and didnt get out of their own half until the slip and played for a draw. A draw that would have realistically won LIverpool the fecking league) and threw away a 3-0 lead to Palace. Thats a collapse.
 
Gentleman Jim said:
What would be the point? They've had an asskicking a few times this season already.
Heavy defeats like Leicester, Liverpool and Spurs this season only serve to highlight the weaknesses of many of the players. Some have "gone" physically (Zabaleta, Toure, maybe Silva and Kompany) some are mentally too weak or just not good enough for Pep (Kolarov, Clichy, Fernando and maybe Mangala).
Throw in a shitload of injuries and all this "they should be walking the league with that squad" you hear from critics and phone in ranters is shown to be just misguided sloganeering.
No City fan I've spoken to has ever tipped them to do a quadruple or treble and most would be happy with one trophy this season.
City are about to undergo a transition which may take a couple of years but it will leave City younger, tougher, hungrier and more tactically aware.
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Yeah I know there's no point. But the press don't take anything into consideration before shitting on us. Every single game we draw or lose they're on the case. For me that's unfair.
 
I've read today that Pepsicola wants Neymar and Busquets. Pretty sure if it's true they will be on their way to City.

Not sure about Neymar though - always thought he's a bit lightweight and in this league he won't be getting calls going for him every time he's fouled. Be pretty interesting to see how he adapts to the league.
 
Jazz said:
I've read today that Pepsicola wants Neymar and Busquets. Pretty sure if it's true they will be on their way to City.

Not sure about Neymar though - always thought he's a bit lightweight and in this league he won't be getting calls going for him every time he's fouled. Be pretty interesting to see how he adapts to the league.
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He's hyped anyway, but yesterday Pep's team with Robben, Lewandowski, Douglas Costa etc. managed only 2 shots on target, so he'll probably need the Barca front three and the new Iniesta to impress the undoubtely unprejudiced and fair and balanced media.
 
Jazz said:
Yeah I know there's no point. But the press don't take anything into consideration before shitting on us. Every single game we draw or lose they're on the case. For me that's unfair.
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Just the usual click bait journalism isn't it? United have a manager who's unpopular with most of the fans so bad news stories about them are more likely to generate revenue until he's gone or wins the goodwill back.
 
cyberman said:
They were widely thought to be in the race for fourth v us up until they destroyed us at Old Trafford and went on that amazing run. Basically the only decent run any top side had that year only to lose to Chelseas reserves (who were focused on a CL final 2 days later and didnt get out of their own half until the slip and played for a draw. A draw that would have realistically won LIverpool the fecking league) and threw away a 3-0 lead to Palace. Thats a collapse.
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Erm, City had a run of 11 wins 1 draw and no defeats 24 Nov to 29 Jan and then another of W10 D2 L1 from 22 Feb till the end of the season. That sounds pretty decent to me.
 
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