I hope we see the end of him this summer. Has scored a cracking amount of goals and deserves a lot of thanks but unless he is happy with coming off the bench now and then I dont want him getting in the way of youth players or new signings. His mobility is gone, he gets too many injuries and IMO actually hinders us more when he plays than when he doesn't. I dont think he is good enough to lead the line let alone play as a 10. I was hoping he broke Charltons record before he ever left but surely the club will not turn down any serious offers for him and even if the player decides to stay he must except a squad role if we plan to get back to the top.
The end of Rooney
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If you take the Brugge game out and take it from the proper stages he's scored 11 goals this season.
Ispwich, Sunderland, Everton, Moscow, Swansea, Sheffield Utd (pen), Newcastle (x2), Liverpool, Derby and Stoke.
Apart from Liverpool, he's hardly making the difference when it counts. He's finished here.
So the Yahoo article saying Mourinho has already been in contact with some of our players. Could this be Mourinho emailing Rooney links to mansions close to good international schools in China?
Effective at what exactly?He has been effective there verm
If he's still the captain and playing every week next season it will be more of a farse than LVG being the manager for another season.
I am sure that unless Rooney already made up his mind to leave that he will get a chance under the new manager at United. Rooney is not alone in being pretty poor the past few seasons and if he gets a manager who can develop a system in which he thrives (you know, just like SAF did) we might get a final hurrah from him. I don't mind him being given a chance but I would hope if it is still not working that we don't persist with him to the detriment of Rashford, Martial and Aubameyang no seriously
Old Rooney or current Rooney?
Didn't SAF drop him quite a lot in his last year or 2?
Current Rooney of course. Young Rooney would grace any team.
I think the real question is how much of Rooney's current salary are we prepared to eat to get rid of him?
Unless he agrees and goes to China (and I'm not convinced he'd really go that route) there is little we are going to get back from him.
Current Rooney would do well at a team like Newcastle (if they stay up), Stoke or a homecoming at Everton... but none of those sides could (or would) pay Rooney 300K a week.
If United are serious about off loading him (and god knows they should be) then they should be willing to pick up at least half or maybe even 2/3 of his salary... or buy him out of his current ridiculous contract.
Unless he agrees and goes to China (and I'm not convinced he'd really go that route) there is little we are going to get back from him.
Current Rooney would do well at a team like Newcastle (if they stay up), Stoke or a homecoming at Everton... but none of those sides could (or would) pay Rooney 300K a week.
If United are serious about off loading him (and god knows they should be) then they should be willing to pick up at least half or maybe even 2/3 of his salary... or buy him out of his current ridiculous contract.
You'd probabyl want to sort on 'attack' for reviewing those players. indeed per minute Traore stays at the top, but then it makes sense (Aguero, Ozil, Sanchez, Coutinho etc)Thanks for the link. According to this table, the best has been Traore (Chelsea), followed by TFM (United). Vardy who has won at least a CL place for Leicester is....6867th is...Hazard
Indeed. Rooney fans shouldn't take the criticisms against current Rooney as criticisms against Rooney per se. Rooney has been a great servant to the club and will be remembered fondly once he moves and makes way to younger stars. He should go for his own good, as soon as he breaks the record.
That to me looks like a horrible idea. That would be appalling value for us. If we are going to pay 2/3 of his salary we might as well keep him as a squad player, he's still useful to have around. If he doesnt like being on the bench and playing the Teddy Sherringham role as someone else put it he should be the one who takes the financial hit, not us.
The way I see it he should have 3 options:
1) Be a squad player for us. He is being paid far too much but this mistake has already been made and there is no undoing it now. At the end of the day if he wants to see out his contract and earn the money he is entitled to while fighting for his place fair and square, and, presumably, being on the bench a lot, that is his choice. I wouldnt be vindictive about it. I wouldnt say "rot in the reserves." I would say, fight for your place, while bringing in quality to compete with him.
2) Let him lower his salary demands to play for Everton or whoever.
3) Maintain his high salary AND play football regularly by going to a second tier league.
In which case, he does not need to be replaced. He doesn't offer anything extra, that we would miss.
I'm sorry I don't understand the syntax, or the relevance to the question I asked.
Yeh I agree that on current form he couldn't play the role, but is this the real Rooney? I fully expect all our players to improve under a better manager so why not Rooney as well. When his confidence is high and he's playing in a system that suits him I think we could yet see a rejuvenated player and I think Mourniho will provide him that chance. One thing that he would add from midfield is goals as he is easily capable of scoring between 10-15 goals from that cm position providing the team is set up right and he picks up form.
We are the ones who signed him to that silly contract (thank you David Moyes), so we do have some responsibility here. The "be a squad player" argument doesn't really work here., especially comparing him to Teddy Sherringham who did not suffer from the sharp decline in play that Rooney has suffered in the past 3 seasons. Was Gerrard a useful "squad" player in his last 2 seasons at Liverpool or was he a distraction and/or a liability whenever he appeared? Seems to me he undid a lot of good work by other players in 2014 by not being able to stay on his feet... and his "leadership" did not shine through. Rooney is already at this level.
United's attack will not move forward until Rooney is replaced. Ironically Rooney's own claims that United lack ambition should come back to haunt him. The ambitious thing to do would be to jettison him asap... ideally to China, Qatar or the MLS. But failing that United must be prepared to eat some of that stupid contract or no club will touch Rooney. Keeping him around is one of the worst thing we could do... I'm not sure the spectre of a figure like Rooney still at the club is a great prospect for potential new signings up front.
The inconsistency of his passing and first touch goes way back to when Fergie was manager. Mourinho may well be able to rejuvenate him as a striker but not even Dumbledore could make him a midfielder.
Have said it before, but best case scenario is he scores 5 goals to equal Charlton, then gets sold for a decent fee to ridiculous money hungry China.
He can leave with his place in history, Charlton also maintains his, and the outrageous 500k a week offer would then make good sense, to a guy who surely realises he's well off his best, and that a new manager as ruthless as Mourinho can't be carrying someone on rep alone.
Can he get 5 goals though? Maximum of 7 games left.
He can leave with his place in history, Charlton also maintains his, and the outrageous 500k a week offer would then make good sense, to a guy who surely realises he's well off his best, and that a new manager as ruthless as Mourinho can't be carrying someone on rep alone.
Can he get 5 goals though? Maximum of 7 games left.
Rather he got 4 and left Charlton out on his own personally.
Don't think he's going anywhere though, so like England I expect him to stumble over the goal scoring line, could take a while though.
Do you think the club realises that the vast majority of fans want to see him moved on this summer?
I would say that fan opinion on players shouldn't matter but I get the feeling that the club view him as some sort of marketing tool which is mental. He looks like a potato, talks like a pressure cooker, has zero charisma and plays tumescent football with no flair or excitement what so ever. Time for a new era. We should be building with Martial and Rashford in mind, not Rooney.
I would say that fan opinion on players shouldn't matter but I get the feeling that the club view him as some sort of marketing tool which is mental. He looks like a potato, talks like a pressure cooker, has zero charisma and plays tumescent football with no flair or excitement what so ever. Time for a new era. We should be building with Martial and Rashford in mind, not Rooney.
I'm sure his capacity to cause trouble is directly linked to results, no? Who in their right mind would want to jeopardize the prospects of a good season, a return to the CL and ultimately their United career to fight Rooney's battles? If he is to be dropped then its important to have the players around capable of justifying such a decision. We already have a better No.9 to him in Martial and if we get an AM to seal off that avenue for him so that when he is dropped the team can perform well and not give anyone room to make him a topic of discussion.
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Does anyone want Rooney to break the record ? Personally I couldn't care less and if I'm honest I'd rather Charlton retains it. Sir Bobby was a better player, a nicer character and has been an unwavering face of the club for the best part of 60 years. Aside of the Manchester United aspect of Rooney scoring why the hell would anyone want Rooney to topple Charltons record ?
For one thing, there's no way he's going without it.
And quite likely he'll not go anywhere when we signed him such an insane deal on monumental world best wages until 2019!!
no doubt with a few penalties to help him across, like England. We've seen how touchy he gets when things are against him, he wont be going quietly
We'll be lucky If we score 5 goals in total in the remaining games.
Whoever sanctioned that deal really does have an awful lot to answer for. I think it was Fergie who once said, many moons ago, that because of his build and body shape Rooney could never have the longevity of a lot of players. Not sure why that advice wasn't heeded when this deal was thrashed out.
Rooney will be the captain of Man Utd till June 2019. At least.
Wayne will also become a club ambassador when he retires from the game.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ey-signs-new-deal-with-manchester-united.aspx
Wayne will also become a club ambassador when he retires from the game.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ey-signs-new-deal-with-manchester-united.aspx
Thank you very much you grinning gormless failure for lumbering us. May rabid meerkats feast on your balls you muppet
Not me, son! You should thank Sir Alex! He brought Rooney, the all-time top scorer for England and Man Utd.
Sir Alex also brought Moyes, who signed Rooney till 2019. And it is guaranteed that Rooney will become an Man Utd ambassador after that.
So, Rooney will definitely be with us for DECADES to come! All thanks to Sir Alex who brought such a legend to Man Utd!
.... It is also guaranteed that the haters will simmer for a looooooooong time!
We're fecked.
Rooney should be a rotational player now at United. He wouldn't draw so much flak if that were the case rather than "Mr. Man United must start" status we've given him. He should be like Giggs was when he was 80 and still playing for us in the alternate scenario of us actually deciding signing midfielders was a rather interesting thing to do.
That's really why people want him gone. That, and his ridonculous wages.
That's really why people want him gone. That, and his ridonculous wages.
But you realize that it is completely irrelevant what some random guys in a forum might want or not want. Right?
The fact is that he has a great contract, he is the all time top scorer, and he is guaranteed to become an ambassador, too.
So, he isn't going anywhere. For a loooooooooong time!
I know that you know ... but some other people might not know and they might think that these Rooney-hater threads have some value... They have no value! There is no "end of Rooney"! He will stay with us for many more years! Fact!
he did, and its also in his book. So people did see it a long time ago and it was still allowed to go through. The only reason can be sponsorships, wouldn't happen to any other player over 30
It's important we keep Rooney around.
Martial and Rashford are still young and very young respectively and any new striker will need time to settle in himself without being leader/mentor to those two. I'd rather Rooney stuck around for one more season at least if only to be there to act as the go-to guy for our young strikers.
Martial and Rashford are still young and very young respectively and any new striker will need time to settle in himself without being leader/mentor to those two. I'd rather Rooney stuck around for one more season at least if only to be there to act as the go-to guy for our young strikers.
You realize every thought you, random fella on internet, have on Manchester United is completely irrelevant, right?
Of course what fans here want doesn't impact the club. He isn't going to start based on your his fan's love for him, and he isn't going to leave based on people's dislike for him. But I didn't know such a completely obvious thing actually needed to be said.
Not necessarily. Clubs are known to do a thing called "transfers". It's where you sell a player despite them having a contract. That would be the correct to do. Well, that, or make him the bit part player his ability deserves. Hopefully we're brave enough to do one of them because the club comes first.The fact is that he has a great contract, he is the all time top scorer, and he is guaranteed to become an ambassador, too.
So, he isn't going anywhere. For a loooooooooong time!
I couldn't care less about his ambassadorial role. I find that completely irrelevant. Players have to do something after their careers to keep them busy I guess.
You sound like you've been stalking him. Rooney hanging around for 40 more years is not actually relevant. If you want his name attached to the club and get some sort of pride and happiness from that, then good for you. But for the benefit of the team he either needs to go, or his automatic starter status needs to go. That's people being logical, not "HATRZ".
The issue with that is that Rooney, Martial and Rashford isn't actually good enough as a strike-force. First, you have to have the necessary quality. Then, you have to have the right composition. Having the composition of the different experience levels without the quality is pointless.