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The end of Rooney
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Hype?
He is the top scorer for country and (soon) for Man Utd, captain for both. He has won 5 championships. He is the top paid player in England. His net worth is over 100 million.
Apart from Messi and Ronaldo, I don't know of any players who did better. Rooney is one of the most successful, in every respect.
Hype?
He is the top scorer for country and (soon) for Man Utd, captain for both. He has won 5 championships. He is the top paid player in England. His net worth is over 100 million.
Apart from Messi and Ronaldo, I don't know of any players who did better. Rooney is one of the most successful, in every respect.
Hype?
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It's a tricky one when people say he didn't live up the hype because mostly it's down to the absurd expectations of fans themselves. I myself was so in awe of Rooney as a teenager that I expected him to be the word's best footballer, or at least match someone like Henry at his pomp. So in that sense he didn't live up to it but it's a ridiculous thing to suggest given what a fantastic career he has had. And the "hype" or expectation, was it actually him who didn't reach that level, or was it fans going overboard, I reckon the latter. He has had a wonderful career .
Hes had a fantastic career.If we can win the FA Cup next month he'll have won it all.Can't help feeling that some of his actions off the field will result in him not being as popular as he should be amongst United fans.
I would reiterate what I have said before in this thread, which is NOT that I want Rooney out the door ASAP and he is definitely finished at this level. Of course, if the new manager wanted to move him on to get him off the wage bill I would understand and probably support that, as long as we invested the savings back into the squad.
The real point here has always been that Rooney should compete for his place like everyone else and only play on merit.
But I have to say, if he was able to maintain the performance he put in against Everton in midfield consistently, I imagine he would keep his place in the team. It was fantastic. And from midfield as well, where so many people feel he has no hope of succeeding.
The real point here has always been that Rooney should compete for his place like everyone else and only play on merit.
But I have to say, if he was able to maintain the performance he put in against Everton in midfield consistently, I imagine he would keep his place in the team. It was fantastic. And from midfield as well, where so many people feel he has no hope of succeeding.
Some people on this forum just want to rewrite history to fit their narrative. After his bad year of 2015, so many here have been saying he just never was good enough in the first place.
How long did it take him to reach those scoring records, though? Twelve, thirteen years? Imagine what Ronaldo would have done to that record if he had stayed at United. Our relationship with him is prostitutional, he demands absurd amounts to stay loyal and produce the goods so once he is no longer producing those goods he should be shafted - he chose this route in 2010.
Just about every professional footballer's relationship with the club they play for is "prostitutional". Come to think of it, just about every employee's relationship with their employer is. Lucky is the person who turns up at work every day out of a sense of love of what they do, rather than to bring home the bacon.
Having said that, the rest of what you said is true, its just it isnt specific to Rooney. Players demand massive salaries and other incentives to do their jobs, which is fine. There is no - or very little - loyalty in the game among players, because it is professional and driven by money, which is fine too. But the other side of that coin is players should expect to be discarded when they no longer represent value for their employers. It has happened to countless players at clubs around the country and at all levels, and Rooney shouldnt be immune to it.
The way he went about putting his point across left a bitter taste in my mouth and if the club still had a ballsy man in charge, like Sir Alex, he would have held on to the memory of his antics and rightly discarded him.
The man in charge had big balls and it left a bitter taste in your mouth?
Fair play to you mate, I thought you were just a run-of-the-mill supporter, I didnt realise you had that kind of a role at the club.
You're talking about rewriting history while quoting someone that's been claiming Rooney has broken our scoring records already, even while posting links that prove he hasn't.
He was never good enough to be earning the kind of money he is. He's on Ronaldo and Messi money but he was never as good as them. Good enough is relative.
What? I am saying his antics (Rooney) during contract negotiations left a bitter taste in my mouth. Sir Alex is the only person who would have had the balls to give him what he deserves when he started declining.
It feels like you are backtracking on what you said now. Its nothing to be ashamed of if you were able to serve the big man in your own way.
I didn't get your drift early on. And you were clever to twist what I said, no problem though because you knew what I meant.
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He has had a very good career, but I think it is actually fair to say he hasn't hit the heights many expected of him, and tbh I'm not sure he warrants being the highest paid player in the PL.
Saying that though he has achieved a lot and is Englands record scorer so fair play to him.
Would have been a lot better if he managed to score 20+ pl goals more than just twice in 14 seasons and also did better in international tournaments.
He has been a very good player for United though over the years and deserves his testimonial and praise for his successful career. However it has been clear for a while that we need to move him on, hopefully this happens in the summer.
Saying that though he has achieved a lot and is Englands record scorer so fair play to him.
Would have been a lot better if he managed to score 20+ pl goals more than just twice in 14 seasons and also did better in international tournaments.
He has been a very good player for United though over the years and deserves his testimonial and praise for his successful career. However it has been clear for a while that we need to move him on, hopefully this happens in the summer.
I agree with this. He failed to reach those heights that most of us expected of him (Ballon d'Or) but he has had a very good career at the club. Time to move on now though.
This part is an anamoly in general. Many players across teams dont have the wages as per the performance. I mean if you come across any Gunner fans, they will probably be moaning about Walcott earning 140K pw.
I agree, but right now I don't believe he should be the talisman and highest paid players in any club that is looking to win league and European titles. Wallcott also shouldn't be on that money either, he has done nothing to warrant it.
It wasn't an absurd expectation when he was 17. He was about as good as it gets at that point.
A brilliant 17 year old but just a good 22 year old.
Being well rounded and well developed at an early age doesn't mean you're going to be the best in the world. Having other wordly talent like Messi did, or Ronaldhinio did, tends to mean that. And that's where many of us went over the top.
Also I don't agree that he was merely a good 22 year old.
Well that's a post based on hindsight. Being unusually brilliant at 17 doesn't automatically mean you'll be the best in the world but it's hardly "absurd" to get very excited by that kind of early talent.
In addition he has gone on to great things so it's not like the excitement of the time was way off the mark.
Agree with you on the last point. "Good" is probably a bit of an understatement.
Wow. Ridiculous. Rooney was just a good 22 year old.
Why does every other remark on the Internet now begin with "wow?" Are you really wowed? You're not are you? It's fake shock designed to make the other person's remark seem more outlandish than it is.
Look back a post and you'll see I said "good" was an understatement.
I can't be bothered to dig it out, but if you look at players with 10+ years of delivering 20 goals+assists the list is basically Ronaldo, Messi, Lampard and Rooney. He has won more and delivered more over an extended period of time than almost any player ever. Period.
Anyone that tries to paint his career as a disappointment is just crazy imo. He's obviously not as good as more or less the 2 best players (stats wise) in modern football, but he's been very good for 12 years! How many other forwards have anywhere near that longevity? Virtually none.
Anyone that tries to paint his career as a disappointment is just crazy imo. He's obviously not as good as more or less the 2 best players (stats wise) in modern football, but he's been very good for 12 years! How many other forwards have anywhere near that longevity? Virtually none.
No, he's not, why do people keep saying bullshit like that?
Off the top of my head the likes of van Persie, Drogba, Henry, even Aguero who is younger all had at least similar or better career than him(and pretty much similar stats), and definitely better invidividual seasons than him pretty much all of them. And that's just PL strikers I could remember. Pretty sure you could add one or two PL strikers too, and many other strikers from other leagues.
Only thing that separates him from those players is that he played for the most dominant club in the league for pretty much his entire career.
You'd have a great point if you weren't incorrect. RVP had two seasons with 25+ goals/assists. Drogba only two seasons in England with more than 16 goals. And most people don't mock their careers.
No, he's not, why do people keep saying bullshit like that?
Off the top of my head the likes of van Persie, Drogba, Henry, even Aguero who is younger all had at least similar or better career than him(and pretty much similar stats), and definitely better invidividual seasons than him pretty much all of them. And that's just PL strikers I could remember. Pretty sure you could add one or two PL strikers too, and many other strikers from other leagues.
Only thing that separates him from those players is that he played for the most dominant club in the league for pretty much his entire career.
In fact, that's kind of proving my point - Rooney's longevity and productivity are seriously underrated. His stats align much more with Henry at Arsenal - who only had those numbers for 7 seasons but is often considered the greatest player of the premier league era.
I don't even like Rooney, but it really does seem like fans on here who knock his contribution only started watching a couple years ago. He's declined, his first touch is awful at times and he doesn't deserve to start as CF for a top club today, but he was genuinely superb for over a decade. Very few pros can claim that, even fewer in his position.
Superb for a decade is overdoing it, he's had too many poor periods for that to be true.
This thing about his longevity though. It's because he was incredibly mature for an 18 year old, physically and mentally. He just started sooner than most.
On the flip side he's finishing earlier. He's had decent periods since but his last superb season was 11/12. I don't think anybody would argue with that.
The old calm down remark. It's interesting that's all how everybody mimics each other on the internet. Sheep like.
Like I said, in the post right above yours I commented it was the wrong choice of word. Yet you were still wowed.
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Read some of the stuff you're posting. What else should I tell you if not to calm down? It's just the internet. Calm down. Why focus on how I convey my message - focus on the message that's being conveyed not the specifics of my vocabulary.
I addressed your point. I addressed it before you even commented. See above.
At the same time I remarked how you and others are constantly wowed. Two things at once. Hey if you put written words out there don't be surprised if somebody comments on them.
Just because people say he isn't the greatest PL striker ever doesn't mean they are mocking him.
So you are now changing the stats from 20 to 25 so it can suit your agenda. Also from including Ronaldo and Messi in the list to including just premierleague stats when looking Drogba's and van Persie's tallies. And that stats suits Rooney mostly because van Persie rarely matched Rooney's number of apps per season, not because he wasn't good anyway.
How about this:
1. Rooney had just two seasons with 20+ goals in PL, same as van Persie
2. In total van Persie has much better record than Rooney per minute in PL
3. Rooney never reached 30 goals record in PL
4. Van Persie had two seasons were he was better than Rooney's any season in his career
5. Van Persie reached 40+ goals and assists twice in PL, Rooney never did it
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See, there are far more impressive records van Persie holds than your "RVP had two seasons with 25+ goals/assists".
Henry spent 8 seasons in PL, is it possible to do any better?
He is considered the greatest because he was far better player than Rooney, not just because that one stats you are insisting on. He also scored more than 20 goals 5 times at Arsenal, and three times more than 25, and every time he was one of the top players in the league by assists too. And his stats don't align more with Henry at Arsenal, I have no idea how you come with that. Maybe because you just keep on thinking about that Rooney's 20+ goals/assists record.
No one is denying Rooney had a good career, but even during his best season ever many people avoided calling him world class. His longevity is special, but to say any of this in the quoted post below is just wrong.
wtf is this Dobbs guy on about?
I think he showed enough in the Semi final to prove he has a future as a midfielder, he cant play a No9 any more, at the very least not against decent opposition anyway.
Playing against Gibson and Cleverly?
He has played many games at CM and it is clear as day he cannot do it at a high level
Why do people keep ignoring that? It's starting to get like WWE wrestling where he can disappear from TV for a while then come back and reinvent himself as if what happened months ago never occurred.
He's had three games in midfield recently against one of the worst teams of the PL era, a completely changed Palace team that didn't give a feck and against an Everton midfield consisting of Cleverly and Gibson. He's only produced one 45 minute performance that suggests he might eventually be good enough to be a midfielder for us and even then he disappeared in the second half when the pressure got turned up. Yet people are talking about him being reinvented as if he did enough to prove he can do it while ignoring his failed stint there last season which got his media buddies demanding he be moved back where he belongs.
His agent is a magician.
Incredible isn't it? Last season he spent more than two months playing awful football there but one half against shit Everton side is enough to prove he is good midfielder.
People are stupid. That's all.
Very good post this..