Err .... the three years in question include this season. Which renders your 'facts' mostly wrong.
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Err .... the three years in question include this season. Which renders your 'facts' mostly wrong.
If you want to include the current season, do it after the season is completed. How would you know where you are finishing this season?
More complete nonsense.
Find an example of a club which became an elite club in the last 20 years (without financial doping). The closest you will find is Atletico, but I guess that not even their biggest supporters think that they will consistently challenge the big two.
Quite sure. Chelsea won't finish in the top 4 this season, and they didn't finish in the top 4 in 2011-12. That's twice in the last 5 years.
What about Chelski though?
Why does Glaston make it so hard to like spurs fans...?
Spuds are generally better than the Arsenal supporters. Still it looks like Glaston is single handedly trying to disprove that.
Spuds are generally better than the Arsenal supporters. Still it looks like Glaston is single handedly trying to disprove that.
Chelsea have made it top three 11 times out of the last 13 seasons. You can't cherry pick 2 seasons and call it a trend. For all we know Conte can make them easily champions next year with couple of good additions. It's not like they have Watford quality squad is it?
So you are more consistent - sure, but that doesn't mean that you'll finish top four next year. If we go by trend in the last 3 years(completed) you have not made top 4, while you did it twice in the 3 years before it. In that sense you are actually regressing, rather than progressing, purely by the numbers.
Ok, can you please send me the list of elite clubs?
Arsenal supporters are really the worst, but on Caf all of them are great.
I've made it clear all along that I'm including this season, backdating the trends from now.
Oh dear, now you really are clutching at straws. Do you imagine United are going to overtake Spurs? You're effectively 11 points behind, albeit with a game in hand.
Real, Barca, Atletico *, Bayern, United, Chelsea, City, PSG, Arsenal, Juve, Milan, Inter, Liverpool with the last three doing their best to leave the group.
* Atletico imo are the best club right there, but how long it will last?!
In real life Spurs fans are generally pretty good...just on here they (or he) comes across as a complete tosser.
What calibre of player is that?What astonishing complacency - especially given the trends I've just cited.
Spurs have a better squad than United IMO, we've finished above you twice in the last 3 seasons and we'll have little problem improving the squad this summer given that CL football is on offer, Pochettino is at the helm and the squad's average is very young. Yet Mourinho is going to roll in, spends lot of money and hey presto - no question about it - you'll be back in the top 4 next season
Chelsea have big problems - the chances for next season being a 3rd time out of the top 4 in 6 years are quite large I believe. City I'll grant you.
Leicester were relegation battlers not so long before, yet champions this year.
It's just plain silly or arrogant not to expect a club like United not being able to overcome Spurs next year.
The same they bought when they sold Bale. That turned out very well.
OK. I'm done with this discussion. I'll simply reiterate the basis point (below) and leave you guys to make false claims about invented numbers, whilst simultaneously sticking your heads in the sands and trying hard to pretend that nothing has changed and nothing will ever change, because the 'elite' Prem clubs must always and forever, due to economics, dominate the top 4.
Overall, during the recent Prem era, and generally speaking in terms of the league, Chelski have declined, so have Man. Utd and so have Liverpool ... whilst in the upper third of the league Spurs have been the one team that has generally improved, as evidenced by 3 top 4 finishes in the last 6 seasons including this one.
That's me done with this, so knock yourself out from here on.
Overall, during the recent Prem era, and generally speaking in terms of the league, Chelski have declined, so have Man. Utd and so have Liverpool ... whilst in the upper third of the league Spurs have been the one team that has generally improved, as evidenced by 3 top 4 finishes in the last 6 seasons including this one.
That's me done with this, so knock yourself out from here on.
This thread is why I'm so glad Spurs aren't winning the league. People comparing Poch and Simeone..Christ alive, imagine what will be said if Mauricio ever actually wins anything.
Quite, but I don't think anybody has said that Spurs will definitely finish in the top 4 next year, more realistically some have said that they are likely to improve this years team and be in their fighting for a top 4 place again. Which seems to have sent some of you off the rails a bit because it would possibly mean upsetting one or two of the worlds richest clubs.
All a bit bizarre really, all the you're shit, have no fans, you don't have a sugar daddy comments are just a tad daft shall we say.
Source?
Think what set most people off was the "If you look at United in the last 3 years and Spurs in the last 6 years, Spurs are naturally the better club". Bit bizarre reasoning for just simply saying Spurs are an improving club which they are. They will definitely be competing for top 4 next season by simply keeping hold of the players they have.
That is something that I would expect pretty much everyone here would agree with.
Ok, you're glad Spurs aren't winning the league because a Utd fan compared Pochettino and Simeone?
You might need to read your own posts then.
I've said that within the next 10-15 years, United will finish more often than not above Spurs. And that is very difficult to see Spurs winning the title because the top clubs won't be shit at the same time like this season.
I never said that you won't be fighting for top 4 next season, or that you won't ever improve.
Well Glaston seems to be confident you guys will finish above us next year.
Spurs might or might not improve. We all saw how you improved after Bale. The top clubs are bound to improve as they realistically can't get any lower.
The difference is wages, pull, something you can't compete at the moment with the top dogs.
As for you're shit and whatever I haven't implied such things. You were better than us this campaign and deservedly will finish above us. I don't think United fans would argue otherwise. But next year that's a whole another thing.
Oh, I thought you said Real will lose 2 games, Zidane will be gone and Poch will be running off to Madrid, whilst guaranteeing that Kane will be gone within 15 months and Spurs will be back in their rightful place with their 14 fans.
Out of interest after our shocking start how many points were you ahead of us probably around October/November time?
Without checking I'd imagine around 3-4 points
Spurs fans sounding very much like Liverpool fans in 13/14.
They could conceivably end up with about 72 points, which is exactly what AVB got. They're not guaranteed to be a success next season, 72 points (even 75/76) won't have you challenging for the title again anytime soon.
They could conceivably end up with about 72 points, which is exactly what AVB got. They're not guaranteed to be a success next season, 72 points (even 75/76) won't have you challenging for the title again anytime soon.
Just looked, you were 8 points ahead of us, so a swing of 18 points in I think 25 games.
We've also had a swing of I think 16 points over both City and Arsenal over roughly the same period.
Even with last nights draw we've picked up
34 points out of the last 45, a pro-rata 86. Our start killed us but with 2 or 3 shrewd acquisitions we should feel positive about next season.
We have to, or we might as well all pack up and go home, I've been dreaming for over 40 years.
Will probably die first but you never know.
Indisputable rubbish.
Bear In mind people, recent era means different things for different clubs. It is 3 years for United. However, it is an astonishing 100% more than that for spurs. Maybe time moves quicker down south? Or they count in dog years?
I think it's prudent to say that Tottenham is more likely to finish above United next season, given the respective form of each club this season. Tottenham are a well drilled, well coached team with some players that are just going to get better, Kane and Alli being the obvious two. We have more money but our team needs a lot more work than Tottenham's does. And if we do sign some quality it will take longer for them to gel, with potentially a new manager, than whoever joins Spurs.
That's not to say we won't finish above them, just that at this point in time, it's less likely.
That's not to say we won't finish above them, just that at this point in time, it's less likely.
Its not bizarre its just that theres a large amount of arrogant drama queens on this forum. The standard of discussion has been atrocious for a while now. Its why us oldies dont tend to post much on the United / football forum and hide in the general.
I hate Chelsea and quite like Spurs but how you can argue that Chelsea are on a 5 year nose diving trend whilst Spurs are trending like a sparrow in a tornado, is beyond me. Chelsea are champs and have had a terrible 1 season.
Why can't it simply be that Spurs have had a great season thus far and look to have a solid base to build on, for what looks to be a positive future, at least in the short term. Fecking Glastontrend.
Why can't it simply be that Spurs have had a great season thus far and look to have a solid base to build on, for what looks to be a positive future, at least in the short term. Fecking Glastontrend.
If we win our game in hand, we'll only be 7 points behind them. In fact, if they lose to Chelsea, it could be as little as 4 points in a couple of weeks time.
Assuming a shiny new manager and heavy investment in the Summer, that's an easy gap to bridge.
We said that this year, and look where we're at. As I say, it's not impossible that we can top them, I think we will have a chance under someone like Mourinho certainly, but it's naive to think money is going to solve everything, particularly when Tottenham will also strengthen. A narrowed points total difference belies the fact we have played terribly for most of the season and they have not. It will be closer but they will, and should start the season favoured to finish higher than us. I hope that doesn't happen though.