The Spurs thread

[Enigma_87]

As for the rest, my posts in this vein have concerned league form and position, not the FA Cup or CL, so most of your stuff about Chelsea's trophy haul is irrelevant.

Even if you take into consideration league form and position Spurs have finished in the last four years (and if we count this one as well ) in the top four exactly once - this year.

If we take a look at the four years before that you have finished top four in two occasions which is better.

If we take a three year period (including this year as well), you will have finished top four once(this season) in the last three years, and the other 2 finishes will be 5th and 6th. The three years before you will have finished 5th, 4th, 5th.

Even if we break it into points:

10/11 - 62 points
11/12 - 69 points
12/13 - 72 points

total - 203, average 67.66

13/14 - 69 points
14/15 - 64 points
15/16 - 69 points * three games to go

total - 202, average 67.33 * three games to go

So if we look at 3 years span you guys have posted pretty much similar results to the 3 years before.

 

[Needham]

They're a house of cards. If Poch goes PSG Kane and co bolt.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

"I've always said that I would be pleased to join a great club like PSG," - Poch

feck me, he has shit ambitions. It was obvious he wasn't going to stay at Spurs.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

You're trolling yourself by trying to claim you watch La Liga with any sort of regularity. Marcelo is a superb player. Ask Madrid fans themselves, he's ropey defensively for sure, but he's hugely gifted in terms of his all round game and ability on the ball. Rose is not even close to being at his level. Picture Rose playing for Real Madrid. Ronaldo would probably hand on a transfer request.

Godin would easily be the PL's best defender. He's better than Vincent "two good games in 2015" Kompany, Koschielmy or Smalling. I like how Godin, a beast of a defender wouldn't fit in under LVG when we have Smalling as our main CB who is just awful on the ball. Besides, if he's the best defender of the lot, just because Pep might not fancy him, it doesn't change that. Vidic wouldn't be wanted by Pep either probably, but he'd still easily be the best CB in the PL.

You can believe whatever I like. It's been on Sky Sports for decades. You would swear I claim to watch Uzbekistan football.

Marcelo can't defend! He is shite. A full-back as lazy as him is not one of the world's best. Absolutely laughable. You sounds like a FM nut job. Salah vs Marcelo was one of the most embarrassing displays of defensive football from both players in history. He can attack, therefore he's good. Christ on a bike. Alba, Alaba, Luís, Monreal, Rose, Azpilicueta and Maxwell are far, far better all round players.

Who even mentioned Smalling? Smalling is at least physically impressive. He's mobile and can move out of position to snuff out threats. Vidíc became competent on the ball over time. Drag Godín out of position and he's in big danger. The same with Huth.

Soooo let me get this straight: when another poster says something about a player, it's just his opinion. When you think something of a player, it becomes a fact?

Right.

This was with regards to his false claims to his saviour Damien. The first two were lies, the last was true. I do believe Kane is as good as Griezmann. He's proven that over two seasons.

Of course the others don't regularly beat Real Madrid and Barcelona. Look at their teams. They'd toy with the PL's so called consistent upset causers. The PL's great "rest" is hyped up only because the top sides are so damn poor.

I doubted your credibility, as did 10 other posters, because we saw a poster rate Spurs' squad only as high as you'd expect a Spurs' fan to.

I'm entitled to laughing at your claims too which I'm definitely doing. I watch La liga. Sure thing.

Yeah, look at Madrid's. They're poor. No balance and little chemistry. A circus. The Spanish clubs are only hyped up because they're foreign and appear "sexier" than Stoke feckin' City.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

yes, you edited your post when everybody called you out on that lame comparison.

After that edit you still have Walker as good as Juanfran, Verthongen > Gimenez, Alder almost as good as Godin. And let's not get into the rest as well.

With your comparisons you have Spurs team as good as Atletico's yet they are miles apart. Atletico have been shoulder to shoulder in the race for La Liga how many years in a row now? They've also won EL, got to a CL final (which they were very close to winning) and eliminated Barca in the CL twice, not to mention also winning CdR.

Yet you have a Spurs side that is 4-5th in the rankings in EPL in the same time. Never made it outside the QF's of either CL and EL to have a team as good as theirs.

Go on with who is talking complete shite.

No. I made an honest mistake with my symbols.

Juanfran is a good defender, nothing more. My Spanish friends hate that he is still playing for Spain. Bellerín and Carvajal should be playing ahead of him.

Vertonghen is an excellent all round defender and far more experienced than Giménez who I have already said I think could become the best defender in the world one day. I even thought this when others thought it was going to be Varane.

I didn't say they were as good. You people have serious issues with reading. I said individual talent. Whoever the poster was who saw my point is, he should be knighted. A man with some common sense. You don't seem to get anything.

 

[GlastonSpur]

"I've always said that I would be pleased to join a great club like PSG," - Poch

feck me, he has shit ambitions. It was obvious he wasn't going to stay at Spurs.

You do realise he was talking about something he doesn't see as being in the near future - right?

It's amazing to see the sheer desperation shown by some on here to predict the imminent demise/collapse of Spurs ... not that such posters are worried or anything.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

Point taken. Didn't know this word is ban worthy. Mod you can ban me. I can take a break and learn to be a better poster.

I saw you criticize poster again "Nobody started any personal accusation" you said!

Calling someone who is acting ignorant is not a personal attack when the behaviour is clear to see. You must have been fuming that "Citeh" didn't concede last night.

 

[GlastonSpur]

They're a house of cards. If Poch goes PSG Kane and co bolt.

Lol .... another case in point - see my post #806 above.

 

[K2K]

Do you realise how ridiculous your statement is? Improvement is a result of being poor?

No. Improvement can be compared to and contrasted with being poor, but the improvement itself is down to positive factors - e.g. the construction of world-class training facilities, a big focus on our youth development system, and the largely judicious use of transfer funds.

As for the rest, my posts in this vein have concerned league form and position, not the FA Cup or CL, so most of your stuff about Chelsea's trophy haul is irrelevant.

You can't be that pedantic.

I'll make it easy for you in simple English.

Before that aforementioned 6 year period,Spurs results were pretty poor. They was even a time that they had 2 points in October and struggling. Thus from that starting point,Spurs subsequent results can be seen as an improvement.

That is the main gist of it. Can I make it any simpler for you? I never said any of the things you are implying.

As for looking at all 4 competitions rather than just the league,that provides for better context of what actually happened in the season. it explains a season like 2012 much better . But it runs against whatever narrative you are trying to spin. That's just sad.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

You do realise he was talking about something he doesn't see as being in the near future - right?

It's amazing to see the sheer desperation shown by some on here to predict the imminent demise/collapse of Spurs ... not that such posters are worried or anything.

Writing your own narrative here. I'm not saying your team will collapse but just saying it's obvious a bigger club will take him sooner or later.

 

[Attila]

Danny Rose is now better than Marcelo.

 

[Enigma_87]

No. I made an honest mistake with my symbols.

Juanfran is a good defender, nothing more. My Spanish friends hate that he is still playing for Spain. Bellerín and Carvajal should be playing ahead of him.

Vertonghen is an excellent all round defender and far more experienced than Giménez who I have already said I think could become the best defender in the world one day. I even thought this when others thought it was going to be Varane.

I didn't say they were as good. You people have serious issues with reading. I said individual talent. Whoever the poster was who saw my point is, he should be knighted. A man with some common sense. You don't seem to get anything.

This is your "latest" edit:

Really?

Griezmann = Kane
Koke = Eriksen
Carrasco = Lamela
Juanfran = Walker
Oliver < Ali
Gabi < Dembélé
Godín > Alderweireld
Luís > Rose
Giménez < Vertonghen (For now)
Oblak < Lloris
Dier = Saúl
Torres > Njie

Atlético have more depth in the striking department, but both are similar in terms of overall quality.

Do you want to backtrack some more?

According to your comparison - Spurs have Ali, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lloris better than their counterparts. That's nearly half a team. Then you have Torres, Luis, Godin only better than their counterparts with the rest being equal. And according to you Godin/Alder are about the same level.

So what reading issues do we have, please do share?

 

[Attila]

Nah, not only in the defender top 10. Marcelo's a great all round footballer and probably one of the most technical gifted players in our team along with Ronaldo and Isco. He is very underrated.

But is he better than Danny Rose

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

This is your "latest" edit:



Do you want to backtrack some more?

On an individual talent basis. You don't think Spurs have more genuine footballing talent in their squad? Atlético's collective togetherness and tactical nous are their biggest strengths. They are an extremely efficient team, like Leicester. It works, but they're not a pure footballing side.

Spurs have better talents in midfield positions. Atlético have far more cover for Griezmann. Correa could be special.

It's really not that big of a deal.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

And United wasn't a House of Cards without Ferguson?

 

[Needham]

Lol .... another case in point - see my post #806 above.

Bud, if Poch does go and Wenger stays and Conte can't get the primadonnas to buck up their ideas, we are looking at West Ham being the best and temporarily semi-biggest London club next season.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

But is he better than Danny Rose

Rose has been very good for two years now. He gets up and down the pitch, and does his job at both ends of the pitch.

Marcelo can't defend. So what if he can attack? He's useless at his primary task. Even Rojo would be more reliable, and he's fairly questionable himself.

 

[Enigma_87]

On an individual talent basis. You don't think Spurs have more genuine footballing talent in their squad? Atlético's collective togetherness and tactical nous are their biggest strengths. They are an extremely efficient team, like Leicester. It works, but they're not a pure footballing side.

Spurs have better talents in midfield positions. Atlético have far more cover for Griezmann. Correa could be special.

It's really not that big of a deal.

Just to be sure I got your point. Spurs first eleven individually as players, are better than Atletico's, is that right?

Rose has been very good for two years now. He gets up and down the pitch, and does his job at both ends of the pitch.

Marcelo can't defend. So what if he can attack? He's useless at his primary task. Even Rojo would be more reliable, and he's fairly questionable himself.

Yeah Marcelo sucks, over 350 games for no other than Real Madrid, winning 3 La Liga's, 2 CdR, 1 CL and he's at the same level as Danny fecking Rose and even Rojo. Now I've seen it all.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

Just to be sure I got your point. Spurs first eleven individually as players, are better than Atletico's, is that right?

Correct. Break up the Atlético back four and they are not the same players. It's their collective qualities that make them such a formidable lineup.

Koke, Griezmann, Correa, Oliver and Giménez are the players who I think would adapt at other top clubs.

 

[Enigma_87]

Correct. Break up the Atlético back four and they are not the same players. It's their collective qualities that make them such a formidable lineup.

Koke, Griezmann, Correa, Oliver and Giménez are the players who I think would adapt at other top clubs.

If that's the argument I really rest my case. Future discussion is futile if you think individually Spurs have a team as good as Atletico Madrid's.

 

[bri2013]

You do realise he was talking about something he doesn't see as being in the near future - right?

It's amazing to see the sheer desperation shown by some on here to predict the imminent demise/collapse of Spurs ... not that such posters are worried or anything.

I am actually amazed that Spurs are not winning the league this season. With the abysmal seasons the usual challengers have had this year, and the fact that Spurs have one of the best squads in recent memory, I am actually staggered that they will be beaten to the title by Leicester.

I'm not actually sure that Spurs will get a better chance to win a premier league than this season because I can't see City, Chelsea, Man Utd etc being as collectively bad next year.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Even if you take into consideration league form and position Spurs have finished in the last four years (and if we count this one as well ) in the top four exactly once - this year.

If we take a look at the four years before that you have finished top four in two occasions which is better.

If we take a three year period (including this year as well), you will have finished top four once(this season) in the last three years, and the other 2 finishes will be 5th and 6th. The three years before you will have finished 5th, 4th, 5th.

Even if we break it into points:

10/11 - 62 points
11/12 - 69 points
12/13 - 72 points

total - 203, average 67.66

13/14 - 69 points
14/15 - 64 points
15/16 - 69 points * three games to go

total - 202, average 67.33 * three games to go

So if we look at 3 years span you guys have posted pretty much similar results to the 3 years before.

Even if that were completely true, so what? I've contrasted the whole of the last six years to the six years before that, a contrast that shows a massive improvement leading up into the present day. And in that present day we will probably finish in 2nd place - the highest-placed finished achieved by Spurs during the Prem era.

But in any case what you've said isn't completely true. If you break it up into 2 three-year periods, the average finishing position in the first period was 4.66, whilst the average finishing position in the later, second period will be slightly higher at 4.33 (assuming we finish 2nd this time around).

And your points tally is silly when there are still 3 games to go. If we get 6 points from those, then the average goes up to 69.33, which again would be an improvement over the prior 3 years. But in any case, points tallies are not as meaningful as league positions.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

Yeah Marcelo sucks, over 350 games for no other than Real Madrid, winning 3 La Liga's, 2 CdR, 1 CL and he's at the same level as Danny fecking Rose and even Rojo. Now I've seen it all.

Pretty poor return for a 10 year spell at world's biggest club, don't you think?

Is it the fact that he's Brazilian and plays for a big club that makes you think he's good?

3 assists all season playing for an attacked minded side with a license to get forward. He's bloody outstanding.

It's like I'm 11 years old again playing LMA Manager. Surreal.

 

[WhoDaGOAT]

If that's the argument I really rest my case. Future discussion is futile if you think individually Spurs have a team as good as Atletico Madrid's.

Thank God. I thought you'd never shut up. Bye.

 

[dirkey]

I'm still five pages behind but I've seen enough.

Glaston has been getting a shitload of abuse with plenty trying to wind him up. Heck, even the night Spurs dropped points he posted something which was fine and ended up having loads of comments saying "guess we're not gonna see Glaston for months" and more trying to wind him up.

I'm only up to page 16 and yes some posts aren't great, but the point Glaston's trying to make can be summed up in this post:



Can you disagree with that?

Nope. That comment was fine. However, have a read of some of his other rubbish with regard to trends. You'll see there's plenty to disagree with there. And I don't think you can "sum it up" with that post. He said plenty of other stuff, which was silly.

 

[Enigma_87]

Thank God. I thought you'd never shut up. Bye.

Classy. You'll be here long time with that attitude.

 

[ti vu]

Calling someone who is acting ignorant is not a personal attack when the behaviour is clear to see. You must have been fuming that "Citeh" didn't concede last night.

Still it breaks the rule. You could say "that is an ignorant opinion". Why break the rule when the reminder is there to remind you to criticize the post not poster?

You use the word knowingly and intentionally now, when I stopped when being correct. Any excuse? And going around assuming what people think is not personal?

Yeah. I'm fuming that I can see City is number one contender for the league next year. Mod can ban me. It's my fault for using that word when I don't know it violates forum rules. I don't excuse and make assume of other posters. I remember I also used the word in the post match thread vs City on newbie forum (we won that game) I must have been fuming then. Tell mod that as well. Does that redeem you violated the posting rule?

 

[Enigma_87]

Even if that were completely true, so what? I've contrasted the whole of the last six years to the six years before that, a contrast that shows a massive improvement leading up into the present day. And in that present day we will probably finish in 2nd place - the highest-placed finished achieved by Spurs during the Prem era.

But in any case what you've said isn't completely true. If you break it up into 2 three-year periods, the average finishing position in the first period was 4.66, whilst the average finishing position in the later, second period will be slightly higher at 4.33 (assuming we finish 2nd this time around).

And your points tally is silly when there are still 3 games to go. If we get 6 points from those, then the average goes up to 69.33, which again would be an improvement over the prior 3 years. But in any case, points tallies are not as meaningful as league positions.

Well you wanted to include the current season and I did just that after comparing 3 years span. It is completely true up to this point as you might lose the 3 outstanding games and finish 4th. The reason why it is true now is because we're comparing it at the current moment.

Point tallies is useful as it shows the consistency in the league when we compare positions that are not at the very top or very bottom. For example you might snap up 2nd place with 2-3 points difference to the 5th placed team. Does that mean that you are significantly stronger when the difference will be the outcome of one game in the course of the season?

 

[GlastonSpur]

Writing your own narrative here. I'm not saying your team will collapse but just saying it's obvious a bigger club will take him sooner or later.

That's a change from your previous comment: "It was obvious he wasn't going to stay at Spurs." ... as if his departure was already announced and imminent.

And what if it's later, rather than sooner? What if Pochettino sticks around to build a dynasty at Spurs, takes his young squad on for several more years, takes us into the new stadium in 2 years from now and then beyond? Ever consider that?

The way that some posters talk you'd imagine that poor little Spurs are a minnow surrounded by dozens and dozens of vastly bigger clubs ... until you realise of course that Spurs will be in the global top 10 income-wise within 2 years, and that's even before our world-class new stadium opens.

So who are all these clubs that could shortly take Pochettino?

Man. Utd? No chance Poch will want to take on an inferior squad just to play in the EL again.
PSG? No chance in the near future - especially as Poch has also said that there is no real domestic competition in the French League.
Arsenal? No chance + have Wenger in any case
Chelski? No chance + have Conte in any case
Liverpool - have Klopp.
Man. City - have Pep

That essentially leaves RM, Barca and B.Munich

 

[ti vu]

Lol first time I saw average finishing position. Arsenal must be the indisputable best English team in the last decade then by using meaningful league average finishing position to calculate the improving & declining trend.

 

[Massive Spanner]

That's a change from your previous comment: "It was obvious he wasn't going to stay at Spurs." ... as if his departure was already announced and imminent.

And what if it's later, rather than sooner? What if Pochettino sticks around to build a dynasty at Spurs, takes his young squad on for several more years, takes us into the new stadium in 2 years from now and then beyond? Ever consider that?

The way that some posters talk you'd imagine that poor little Spurs are a minnow surrounded by dozens and dozens of vastly bigger clubs ... until you realise of course that Spurs will be in the global top 10 income-wise within 2 years, and that's even before our world-class new stadium opens.

So who are all these clubs that could shortly take Pochettino?

Man. Utd? No chance Poch will want to take on an inferior squad just to play in the EL again.
PSG? No chance in the near future - especially as Poch has also said that there is no real domestic competition in the French League.
Arsenal? No chance + have Wenger in any case
Chelski? No chance + have Simeone in any case
Liverpool - have Klopp.
Man. City - have Pep

That essentially leaves RM, Barca and B.Munich

Conte*

I think it's safe to assume that if/when the Zidane experiment goes tits up that Real will go for Poch. Lots of reports in Spain have said he's already on their radar, and he won't turn 'em down, that's for sure.

I think it's unlikely another EPL team will entice him until either Arsenal part with Wenger or Utd get competitive in Europe again.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Conte*

I think it's safe to assume that if/when the Zidane experiment goes tits up that Real will go for Poch. Lots of reports in Spain have said he's already on their radar, and he won't turn 'em down, that's for sure.

I think it's unlikely another EPL team will entice him until either Arsenal part with Wenger or Utd get competitive in Europe again.

Yes, Conte ... thanks, I've corrected my earlier post.

 

[gaucho_10]

I'd say calling Spurs "a nothing club" is pretty sour wouldn't you?

That's what you are. Maybe you feel important in England, but believe me, globally you guys are the club that sold Bale and Modric to Madrid. Nothing more.

 

[K2K]

That's what you are. Maybe you feel important in England, but believe me, globally you guys are the club that sold Bale and Modric to Madrid. Nothing more.

Whatever happened to that Spurs -Madrid ''partnership''?

 

[Robbie Boy]

This thread now officially belongs in the classics. The last 4/5 pages have been thoroughly enjoyable.

 

[GlastonSpur]

That's what you are. Maybe you feel important in England, but believe me, globally you guys are the club that sold Bale and Modric to Madrid. Nothing more.

As I've said, if Spurs are a "nothing club" then we're a nothing club that's about to finish above United for the 2nd time in 3 years ... which I guess would have to make United currently a less-than-nothing club.

Posters like you live in a snobbish little world, full of glory-hunters, where the only clubs that count are apparently those like RM, Bayern Munich, Barca and other mega-rich clubs, several of them sugar-daddy-funded ... a world where the other 99.99% of clubs are scorned and dismissed as "nothing".

You're entitled to your opinion, as stupid as it may be, but personally I don't consider as 'nothing' a club that will soon enter the global top 10 income-wise, will soon open the best stadium in London (and be one of the best stadiums in the world), has world-class training facilities and has one of the best young managers around.

But anyhow, we'll enjoy our time as a 'nothing club' in the CL next season and hope to go further than the QFs we reached last time around. And meanwhile, you can revel in your snobbery as you likely rub shoulders - assuming that you're a United fan - with the likes of FK Crvena Zvezda or İstanbul Başakşehir in the EL. Enjoy.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

You can believe whatever I like. It's been on Sky Sports for decades. You would swear I claim to watch Uzbekistan football.

That's probably what you've confused La Liga with given your last few posts.

Marcelo can't defend! He is shite. A full-back as lazy as him is not one of the world's best. Absolutely laughable. You sounds like a FM nut job. Salah vs Marcelo was one of the most embarrassing displays of defensive football from both players in history. He can attack, therefore he's good. Christ on a bike. Alba, Alaba, Luís, Monreal, Rose, Azpilicueta and Maxwell are far, far better all round players.

I sounds like an FM nutjob?

Marcelo is an excellent all-round footballer. He isn't the greatest defensively, but his overall game is brilliant. He's hugely gifted on the ball and it's no surprise that he plays at a team miles better than the one Rose plays in. Rose at Spurs, and Marcelo at Madrid, and that's pretty much the level of the two players.

Danny Rose is now better than Marcelo.

Next up: Dembele is better than Messi. Give it a day or two.

Who even mentioned Smalling? Smalling is at least physically impressive. He's mobile and can move out of position to snuff out threats. Vidíc became competent on the ball over time. Drag Godín out of position and he's in big danger. The same with Huth.

Bollocks. Godin is a brilliant natural defender and has been right up there among the very best for a long time. Drag any defender who isn't extremely quick out of position and they struggle. As Vidic did. As Godin would. But with defenders of this quality, dragging them out of position is a lot harder than inferior defenders like Kompany, Koschielmy and co. (i.e worse defenders).

Yeah, look at Madrid's. They're poor. No balance and little chemistry. A circus. The Spanish clubs are only hyped up because they're foreign and appear "sexier" than Stoke feckin' City.

Now Madrid are poor. But Spurs are AWESOME. You're making a fool of yourself in this thread.

Yeah, those overrated Spanish clubs who keep winning and competing in CL and Europa League semi-finals suck, whereas the PL who consistently performs worse, is amazing. You're like Twigginator's long lost brother. In truth, they probably appear "sexier" because doing well is considered sexy.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's like I'm 11 years old again playing LMA Manager.

First post of yours I agree with.

 

[Sarni]

Even if that were completely true, so what? I've contrasted the whole of the last six years to the six years before that, a contrast that shows a massive improvement leading up into the present day. And in that present day we will probably finish in 2nd place - the highest-placed finished achieved by Spurs during the Prem era.

But in any case what you've said isn't completely true. If you break it up into 2 three-year periods, the average finishing position in the first period was 4.66, whilst the average finishing position in the later, second period will be slightly higher at 4.33 (assuming we finish 2nd this time around).

And your points tally is silly when there are still 3 games to go. If we get 6 points from those, then the average goes up to 69.33, which again would be an improvement over the prior 3 years. But in any case, points tallies are not as meaningful as league positions.

It's the first time you are in top 4 since 2012. Current three year period is worse than the previous one where you made top 4 twice. Either you get the trend or ignore it and live in your bubble.

 

[Attila]

As I've said, if Spurs are a "nothing club" then we're a nothing club that's about to finish above United for the 2nd time in 3 years ... which I guess would have to make United currently a less-than-nothing club.

Posters like you live in a snobbish little world, full of glory-hunters, where the only clubs that count are apparently those like RM, Bayern Munich, Barca and other mega-rich clubs, several of them sugar-daddy-funded ... a world where the other 99.99% of clubs are scorned and dismissed as "nothing".

You're entitled to your opinion, as stupid as it may be, but personally I don't consider as 'nothing' a club that will soon enter the global top 10 income-wise, will soon open the best stadium in London (and be one of the best stadiums in the world), has world-class training facilities and has one of the best young managers around.

But anyhow, we'll enjoy our time as a 'nothing club' in the CL next season and hope to go further than the QFs we reached last time around. And meanwhile, you can revel in your snobbery as you likely rub shoulders - assuming that you're a United fan - with the likes of FK Crvena Zvezda or İstanbul Başakşehir in the EL. Enjoy.

He's a Real Madrid fan