Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Adisa said:
I know it's minimal change but that's not good enough for the main opposition. Labour should be doing better than this.
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How many seats do you think Labour should have then? If it's not good enough then you must have an idea in mind, is it just more?

The last benchmark here was at a time where Labour were doing well and tories in omnishambles mode so do you think they should be beating that?

BBC reporter was saying they should be gaining 100+ seats. Ludicrous and shows they don't really understand what they're talking about.
 
sun_tzu said:
So it happened... And I think the implications are going to be fairly significant
If labour are not going to get those Scottish mps back in the next election (and based on these results that looks more likely than ever)
Which means the two routes back to power for Labour are either winning a fek load of seats in England or a snp / labour coalition
Winning seats in England would probably require a move to the centre and Blairite type policies (highly unlikely under comrade Corbyn's leadership)
A snp coalition was seen very negatively by English voters in the last election and I can only see the threat being equally negative for them next time... Plus surely the concession that would be demanded would be another referendum making labour's path to victory in the future ever more difficult.
In short they are fecked unless they can somehow balance Corbyn / momentum type retroric with policies that appeal to UK marginal constituencies
The conference will be civil war within the party... Particularly if the conservatives have the Trident main gate vote around the same time
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They'd have got fecked in Scotland regardless of who's in power down South. Scotland is the complete perfect storm of problems for Labour.
 
NinjaFletch said:
They'd have got fecked in Scotland regardless of who's in power down South. Scotland is the complete perfect storm of problems for Labour.
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Many of which have been self-inflicted, and date back prior to the Scottish referendum; whereas in England, Labour has issues with personality and policy. I'm not sure whether the fundamentals have altered a greater deal since the GE: the centrists are still searching for a coherent policy agenda, and Corbyn's baggage continues to create problems.
 
Smores said:
How many seats do you think Labour should have then? If it's not good enough then you must have an idea in mind, is it just more?

The last benchmark here was at a time where Labour were doing well and tories in omnishambles mode so do you think they should be beating that?

BBC reporter was saying they should be gaining 100+ seats. Ludicrous and shows they don't really understand what they're talking about.
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This is the first opposition party since 1982 under Foot not to gain seats in the locals. 2012 wasn't a high point in any way, the high point was under Blair when Labour had over 10,000 councillors across the country, now they have under 7,000. And the Tories have just had ANOTHER omnishambles budget, are riven on Europe and we're about a month after the Panama Papers leaks.

Also, this talk on "Blairites" - it's not the Blairites you have to be wary of, it's the Brownites. They managed to depose a sitting Prime Minister, prime conspirator among which is currently sitting as Deputy Leader.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Many of which have been self-inflicted, and date back prior to the Scottish referendum; whereas in England, Labour has issues with personality and policy. I'm not sure whether the fundamentals have altered a greater deal since the GE: the centrists are still searching for a coherent policy agenda, and Corbyn's baggage continues to create problems.
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This is a massively simplified but I remember hearing that idea of the Centrists/Blairites was to keep the economics of the right/big business but move the social aspect move to the left(Gay rights/immigration/health/welfare and others) but now that the tory party have ''cleaned'' their image the Centrists are essentially fecked.
 
Sweet Square said:
This is a massively simplified but I remember hearing that idea of the Centrists/Blairites was to keep the economics of the right/big business but move the social aspect move to the left(Gay rights/immigration/health/welfare and others) but now that the tory party have ''cleaned'' their image the Centrists are essentially fecked.
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Cameron has dragged them towards the centre but there are large parts of the Tory party that hate him for it,I can see a lurch to the right post referendum.
 
Sweet Square said:
This is a massively simplified but I remember hearing that idea of the Centrists/Blairites was to keep the economics of the right/big business but move the social aspect move to the left(Gay rights/immigration/health/welfare and others) but now that the tory party have ''cleaned'' their image the Centrists are essentially fecked.
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Perhaps i should have said "coherent and believable policy agenda", as much as such a descriptions can be applied to politicians these days. For all its difficulties, the Government still hold Competence Hill in the minds of voters. Although trust will become an increasing problem as time apses.
 
Dugdale isn't 100% against independence is she? If so I'm hardly surprised the Unionists flocked to the Tories.
 
Kaos said:
Dugdale isn't 100% against independence is she? If so I'm hardly surprised the Unionists flocked to the Tories.
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I think that's a big problem generally, Labour don't know where to place themselves and just look like the worst of all worlds. I'd say it's a clusterfeck situation, no path looks like solving it.

Projected national share is out


The one's usually a good predictor of the GE when the anti-government bias is accounted for.
 
SAKE, why is Ken touring the news programmes?!
 
sun_tzu said:
She said she would consider voting leave in a future referendum... Though she quickly (but not quickly enough) changed her position
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Fat Ruth slaughtered her for not ruling out allowing Labour politicians to vote Yes in event of a future referendum. I mean, how dare she allow people to have freedom of choice? #feckDemocracy.
 
Why the feck is Dugher going on BBC news moaning about Corbyn and Labour's direction? Where was he in 2012 when Miliband achieved similar results.

I'd suspend him
 
Untied said:
Why the feck is Dugher going on BBC news moaning about Corbyn and Labour's direction? Where was he in 2012 when Miliband achieved similar results.

I'd suspend him
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7% down on Ed's results...
 
Untied said:
Why the feck is Dugher going on BBC news moaning about Corbyn and Labour's direction? Where was he in 2012 when Miliband achieved similar results.

I'd suspend him
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If you mean Micheal Dugher ,he as a history of this and was chopped by Corbyn in the reshuffle.
 
Untied said:
Why the feck is Dugher going on BBC news moaning about Corbyn and Labour's direction? Where was he in 2012 when Miliband achieved similar results.

I'd suspend him
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Meh, it's too predictable to get annoyed about now. All aboard the apathy train!
 
Ubik said:
SAKE, why is Ken touring the news programmes?!
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Looks like he's completely lost his mind down the bottom of a pint glass. He's quoted on the BBC News site as saying the following in response to a question about whether he regretted the Hitler comments.

"If I'd known what these old Blairite MPs were going to whip this up into, I'd have found a way of evading the question."

Only thing is Ken, I don't actually remember anyone asking you about Hitler!
 
Chris Leslie, a Miliband shadow cabinet member is now giving the current leadership a lecture on beating the Conservatives
 
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Corbyn just had a go at his own party. Don't think the next PLP meeting will be amicable.
 
Laura Kuenssberg petition taken down over sexist abuse

38 Degrees director says campaign calling for BBC political editor to be sacked was hijacked by Twitter and Facebook users

By Jasper Jackson
Tuesday 10 May 2016

Campaign group 38 degrees has taken down a petition calling for BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg to be sacked, saying it had become a focal point for misogynist abuse.

The majority of those signing and supporting the petition expressed concerns about what they saw as biased reporting of the Labour party and its leader Jeremy Corbyn by Kuenssberg. However, some supporters on social media used abusive and sexist language in calling for the BBC’s first female political editor to go.

38 Degrees executive director David Babbs said the petition had been taken down with the agreement of the person who had posted it. He said: “I am really concerned that a petition hosted on the 38 Degrees website has been hijacked, and used as a focal point for sexist and hateful abuse made towards Laura Kuenssberg on Twitter. That is totally unacceptable and, with the agreement of the petition starter, we’ve taken the petition down to prevent it being used in this way. There is no place in the 38 Degrees family for sexism or any form of discrimination or hate speech.”

Prior to the petition being taken down, former Independent on Sunday political editor Jane Merrick told the Guardian that Kuenssberg had faced an extra layer of sexist criticism. “She has been called a whore and a bitch on Twitter,” said Merrick. “Nick Robinson used to be accused of Tory bias but he never experienced this level of nastiness.”

“Of course, not all Corbyn supporters are sexist – far from it – but there is a core of hard-left misogyny that comes out against women when Corbyn is under pressure – such as the abuse against Stella Creasy and Jess Phillips. Jeremy Corbyn said back in September he wanted a ‘kinder politics’ so he should condemn these vile attacks against a respected and experienced journalist.”

The original poster of the petition had also tried to distance himself from those using it to make misogynistic attacks, writing in an update that he “would like to reassure everyone that I am a passionate advocate for equality in all areas, not just gender equality”.

He added: “This petition has precisely zero to do with Kuenssberg’s gender. Regardless of the gender you identify with, there is no excuse for biased reporting and misrepresentation of facts when you represent an organisation that has been famed for its impartiality and balanced approach.”

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/10/laura-kuenssberg-petition-sexist-abuse-38-degrees-bbc
 
Sexism and misogyny are ingrained societal problems which are present in basically every demographic or ideological group and the double standards in reporting are crystal clear. If trolls latch on to a leftist issue for their own agenda it's used as a stick to beat the 'hard-left' with. Meanwhile Cameron is cutting funding for women's shelters to pieces.
 
rcoobc said:
Okay, who made Shamwow a mod...
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'Bout time if you ask me.

Edit: just checked and it turned out no one asked me :(. Oh well.
 
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No surprise there .BBC have been bending over backwards to please the Government prior to the white paper and with talk of adding Government members to the BBC board .Expect the BBC to become less impartial.
 
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The BBC has had numerous inquiries into bias over the years, with the results of which having been suppressed in some cases. So it's not impossible, no.

Lyons did not reference any specific examples or interviews, perhaps one of you might care to do so?
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
The BBC has had numerous inquiries into bias over the years, with the results of which having been suppressed in some cases. So it's not impossible, no.

Lyons did not reference any specific examples or interviews, perhaps one of you might care to do so?
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Pretty sure if you look through this thread you'll find one or two or three.
 
Shamwow said:
Pretty sure if you look through this thread you'll find one or two or three.
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But was that bias, or rather the changing media more generally, and the focus of the immediate past? Would the attitudes be any different if it were another individual or party involved? The press certainly didn't arrange for a reassuring group hug when IDS was in difficulty.

There are a greater number of political magazine type shows out there these days, which fuels an increased demand for stories; additionally, social media has taken the reality of 24/7 coverage to a whole new level. There may well be a very modest amount of bias, subconsciously even, however i have my doubts as to the extent.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
The BBC has had numerous inquiries into bias over the years, with the results of which having been suppressed in some cases. So it's not impossible, no.

Lyons did not reference any specific examples or interviews, perhaps one of you might care to do so?
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I'm too sure how much truth there's in this but - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/peoples-as...ervative-leader-david-cameron-resigns-1555219
And I remember this interview standing out a bit, it's a not really bias but it is odd, really odd.

Still I just posted the story as it was interesting, not sure I believe it myself. The BBC get it both from the right and the left, it can't really win but with that said the BBC is still a giant organisation so its interest will always be to look after itself.
 
Sweet Square said:
I'm too sure how much truth there's in this but - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/peoples-as...ervative-leader-david-cameron-resigns-1555219
And I remember this interview standing out a bit, it's a not really bias but it is odd, really odd.

Still I just posted the story as it was interesting, not sure I believe it myself. The BBC get it both from the right and the left, it can't really win but with that said the BBC is still a giant organisation so its interest will always be to look after itself.
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Great vid. Love Skinner, proper old school
 
There's certainly a case of the BBC being biased to the goverment in charge. They report whatever the prime minister says with greater prominence and without analysis so naturally the narratives they form tend to follow from there.

I do think some of their reporting about Labour being in crisis is very tabloid though and they'll show a lot more restraint when reporting on the Tories in such fashion.

Wouldn't quite call conspiracy as much as its looking out for their interests
 
The Telegraph has to take a day off from criticising the Government/Cameron sometime.

This is the first i've heard of the story and it doesn't sound like much of one. I'd probably have accidentally intentionally trodden on Dave's newly polished shoe; an elbow in the ribs would be bad form.
 
Its a nothing story, nor does it even seem to be true.

Besides, who the hell wants to make small talk with Cameron?
 
Jeremy Corbyn's PMQs plans leaked, adviser Seumas Milne claims


Jeremy Corbyn's communications chief claims the Labour leader's preparations for Prime Minister's Questions are being leaked by his own staff.

In a fly-on-the-wall documentary, Seumas Milne said the "annoying" leaks from his top team were handing an advantage to the Conservatives.

Mr Corbyn also criticises the media coverage of his party.

Vice News followed Labour's leader for eight weeks, including the row over anti-Semitism and May's elections.

The film, Jeremy Corbyn: The Outsider, shows Mr Corbyn's inner circle rehearsing for his weekly PMQs bout with David Cameron.


After the two leaders have clashed over the government's academy plans, Mr Milne tells the Vice reporter: "This time they did (know the questions) because it leaked. It leaked from that meeting.

"It's very annoying because it only happens about a third of the time, but it obviously gives them a little bit of extra time.

"Whenever there is a leak it gives them that advantage - it gives them the advantage on TV as well."

Mr Corbyn also hit out at the BBC over the local elections, claiming "the whole narrative" had been that "Corbyn's going to lose" and saying an unnamed group of political commentators were "shallow, facile and ill-informed".

In other footage, the leader's aides discuss their attempts to ensure he dresses smartly and watch him pose for a succession of photographs with supporters.

Mr Corbyn is also shown reacting to the suspension of Ken Livingstone from the party after the former London mayor invoked Hitler in a defence of an MP's comments about Israel.
 
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