wtf was he thinking? It's schoolboy stuff.The Spurs thread
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wtf was he thinking? It's schoolboy stuff.I watched the full match on Sky last night, I'm not exaggerating when I say Newcastle could've hit double figures yesterday. The spurned so many 2 on 1 / 3 on 2 type opportunities in the second half.
They need a couple more leaders in this team, imo.
They need a couple more leaders in this team, imo.
Why won't the Prem's youngest squad improve further next season?
This question is quite apart from the big IF concerning the possible improvement of Chelski, City and United.
It's no given that players always have an upward arch. It wouldn't be a surprise if a few of them struggle to pick themselves up again and find the same form next season. Same goes for our kids.
It's more likely that conte pep and possibly mourinho improve their club than Rose Walker Dembele amd all continuing this form in all honesty
They probably will. Thing is, will it be enough to warrant a top 4 place? You already finished behind Arsenal who had below par season. You cannot keep expecting 70 points to always cut it.
Sure, it's no given, but it's more likely than not that young players get better with more coaching and more experience.
You were 1 point clear on March 1st. You were 2nd by the time we played our next game.
The biggest gap I can find you having is 3 points in January.
I'm sure it is. I mean, we all know it's going to happen but nobody tells the Spurs lot until it's too late and they're left with egg on their face.
I like how we all now gloat about it, even though we all thought it would be the first year. It really couldn't have happened in a funnier way
Is it?
Spurs have the advantage of a settled squad and way of playing, whilst Chelski, City and United (probably) will enter a period of transition - major squad changes and a new playing style to impose. Two of those 3 clubs will have managers that have no prior experience of the Prem. And how many players will want to leave Chelski rather than play in the EL?
So is it your contention that more players don't improve than do improve past 22/23?
Bit unfair on AVB to be honest.
They were playing better under Villas Boas. Very underrated manager.
Even without prem experience it is highly unlikely that city Chelsea and us (if mourinho comes) would be like this season. They have the financial capability to buy players and given their talent, the managers have the ability to get the best out of their squad.
Look at Liverpool. That 13-14 season players like Henderson Gerrard and all looked world class but the next season they all struggled. It's naive to say that won't ever happen to Rose and Walker and all. Of course unlike Liverpool you won't lose your world class striker
I haven't said that. I've said that it's more likely than not that the youngest squad in the Prem will develop and improve further next season. That's especially the case given the squad's settled nature and playing style with managerial continuity.
You say it's "highly unlikely" that United with Mourinho would be like this season. But his arrival will mean yet another summer of significant squad upheaval and trying to adapt to yet another new playing style, not to mention the numerous distractions that his media circus style tends to create. There are limits to what money and a single summer of coaching can achieve.
By the way, you didn't answer my question as to how many Chelski players will want to leave rather than play in the EL.
I don't think so. They were playing some tumescent stuff but with Bale scoring screamers out of nothing.
AVB had taken over a better situation than the one Poch walked into to be fair, Spurs finished 4th in Redknapp's last season but he still got the sack.
Isn't he actually available in summer?
I don't think many players will leave because of EL or lack of CL. Maybe hazard and courtois might. I expect most of them to stay. United had no Europe in 14/15 yet not only did we retain te star players like Rooney mata or RvP, we managed to bring in Di Maria and falcao two superstar players. Money talks and Chelsea has a lot of it.
And yes, players like alli and Kane will improve but at the same time it has to be seen whether some players who were clearly punching above their weight will continue in the same fashion. I mean the spurs fans I know wouldn't have cared had the club sold walker rose dembele and all in the summer last season because they believed they weren't good enough at this level. They were very good this season but you have to ask if this is an anomaly. The same will be applicable to vardy and all too.
I don't think we would need a huge upheaval of squad frankly. I think players like Schneiderlin schweini darmian and all could possibly thrive under mourinho. I still believe that this United squad is good enough for top 4. With a few additions (like ibra and all) can even challenge for title.
They weren't better at all. It's like saying Rodgers was amazing in 13/14. He had Suarez like AvB had Bale, both playing for a galactico move. Once they lost that player, they bought players they couldn't get the best out of.
Probably already trodden over at this point in time, but the squad's reaction to Chelsea and Newcastle games is a pretty bad bookend to the season and definitely raises questions about their otherwise seemingly strong mentality beforehand.
Have to admire Glaston's attempts at apathy - poor guy must be destroyed inside.
What's this totteringham stuff about I keep seeing?
You can't spell Saint Totteringham`s Day without t, r, e, n, d.
Ah thanks man.
I wonder what finishing behind Arsenal does to the 3 year vs 6 year trend.
Not much ... United have still finished outside the top 4 twice in the last 3 seasons.
But of course that mustn't ever - under any circumstances - be compared to the previous 3 years. And the idea that it shows any trend of decline must be strongly denied ... if necessary by stamping of feet and screaming loudly to drown out any heretical notions.
They did not play well under him. Bale regularly got them out of jail and when he was sold they couldn't make it up.
So have Tottenham, as opposed to 2 in 4 before.
To be fair you are not going to find United fan here who will disagree with the fact that United are worse now than they were during Fergie days.
See, what I dont get is the attitude of being certain that Spurs will better us again next year. We have the 3rd (?) youngest squad in the Premier League, finishing up in 5th place. This is in a season where its widely recongnised that Spurs have performed well above what was expected of them, as well as a complete disaster of a season for us. I would say it's both very arrogant as well as foolish to claim that the gap of 7/6/4 points that we currently look to finish behind Spurs this season is impossible/improbable to close in 16/17.
Saying that the likes of Rose and Walker will improve is just the same as saying that Shaw will be a whole different world for us on the left as well as the improvement of a dozen underperforming players this season. The Spurs-players have been performing excellent this season, and I doubt you could make a case for anyone of their regulars that they havent been performing way above anything they've done in previous seasons (bar the ridiculous excuse of a footballer in Mason), yet you could argue that anyone in the United-squad (bar De Gea, Smalling, Martial) have been performing at their usual level.
And still an unnamed, slightly deluded Spurs-fan on this forum is making an argument that Spurs will most certainly end up above the declining United once again next season.
Saying that the likes of Rose and Walker will improve is just the same as saying that Shaw will be a whole different world for us on the left as well as the improvement of a dozen underperforming players this season. The Spurs-players have been performing excellent this season, and I doubt you could make a case for anyone of their regulars that they havent been performing way above anything they've done in previous seasons (bar the ridiculous excuse of a footballer in Mason), yet you could argue that anyone in the United-squad (bar De Gea, Smalling, Martial) have been performing at their usual level.
And still an unnamed, slightly deluded Spurs-fan on this forum is making an argument that Spurs will most certainly end up above the declining United once again next season.
But what if I prefer the 10 year trend?
I don't think anyone (not me anyhow) is saying it's "impossible" that United will finish above Spurs next season ... I just think it's less than a 50% chance.
You mention a dozen "underperforming" players at United this season, but who are these players and what if for some of them it's simply their natural average level? And who are the Spurs players who are supposedly likely to go down a level next season in performance terms?
Then you shall be LVG's heir apparent.
Or a 4 game trend?
How about the skinny-jeans trend?
Or the 'manbun' trend?
Or the 'manbun' trend?
Its the day Arsenal celebrate finishing ahead of Tottenham, whilst conveniently forgetting the fact theyve won nothing again either.
That's why I said improbable as well..
I'm not saying that the Spurs-players might drop alot in their performance, but it's hard to argue that they have not been performing above what we've seen of them in any previous seasons? I would argue that atleast the following United-players have proven that they are capable of performing/contributing more than they've been doing this season:
Darmian - Great at the beginning of the season, great in Italy.
Valencia - Injured most of the season
Jones - Injured most of the season
Shaw - Injured most of the season
Carrick - Terrible at the first 2/3rds of the season
Bastian - Loads of injuries, played well in a dysfunctional system
Schneiderlin - Terrific at Soton', underwhelming this season
Herrera - Might be that I expect too much of him..
Mata - Underwhelming
Rooney - I should probably not say too much about him
Depay - Great season at PSV, struggled to adapt to a new league
Januzaj - Might be that I'm blinded by his first season but he proved to be able to perform at a much higher level than he's been doing this season
Pereira - Not given a chance despite decent performances
However, you might be right that some of these simply arent good enough anymore. That might be the issue, but talking about these 'trends' of yours, it's not too much to expect all of these players to perform better than they have been doing this season / contribute more.
You're biased then. Because the bookies has United at lower odds than Spurs to win the league next year. So I guess the bookies think it's less than a 50% chance that Spurs will finish above United.
Arsenal can blame Spurs for their not winning the league this season.
All they need is for Spurs to finish second one season and by default, Arsenal will be ahead of them
All they need is for Spurs to finish second one season and by default, Arsenal will be ahead of them