The Spurs thread

finneh said:
For fun let's name the flops and hits these last 3 seasons:

Erikson - hit
Alli - hit
Dier - hit
Alderweireld - hit

Soldado - flop
Paulinho - flop
Chadli - flop
Capoue - flop
Chiriches - flop
Stambouli - flop
N'Jie - flop
Fazio - flop
Yeldlin - flop

The jury still being very much our on the likes of Son, Lamela, Davies, Trippier etc.

I certainly wouldn't say 2 poor signings for every hit isn't the occasional flop outnumbered by successes.

You'll probably try to argue just because some clubs bought those failures for similar fees that they are irrelevant, ignoring the large salaries they were being paid whilst sinking up the place.
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The period in question is 5 years (not 3) - the Prem's lowest net spend over the last 5 years. So unfortunately for your attempted portrayal, this transfer period of ins and outs includes Bale.

Your attempted portrayal also leaves out Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele, Wimmer and Vorm ... all of whom have been hits.

Your attempted portrayal also wrongly characterises N'Jie as a flop, when he's barely played due to injury - so the worst that could be said is that jury is out. Likewise Yedlin, who cost all of £2m, has mainly been out on loan to gain experience, during which time he has now achieved regular starting slot at Sunderland.

Nor is the jury "still out" on Lamela, who now is a regular part of the first XI at a club that finished in 3rd place, nor on Trippier and Davies, who have both done well as squad cover for Walker and Rose

Overall, your attempted portrayal is full of more holes than a golf course. Must try harder.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I don't have to tell you this with any sort of face, straight or otherwise, because the overall facts speak for themselves:

Lowest net spend in the Prem over the last 5 years + two top 4 finishes in that period in the face of 5 clubs with much larger incomes. The only possible conclusion from these facts are that Spurs transfer dealings have overall been remarkably good.

Your attempted nit-picking is laughable.
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Your arrogance is nothing short of astounding, my Spurs friend, particularly when you consider the last time your lot won the league the fecking Beatles were still in their pomp. Wind your neck in, just a little bit, and comeback when you have a genuine achievement to rub in our faces. Until then.... Lucy in the skyyyyy with diamonds. Great song, I'm sure you remember it well.
 
What I want to know is: why is Glaston disliked on an Aston Villa forum? Was he going through their club with a fine-tooth comb, telling them how awful they were?
 
GlastonSpur said:
If it doesn't matter what I think then why don't you stop directing posts at me? Your "contributions" wouldn't be missed.

You ask for congratulations, yet come into this thread crowing about how United have supposedly had a more successful season than Spurs ... so go figure.

As I've said, for Spurs qualifying for the CL was the most important objective (and I note the existence of a thread elsewhere that wondered if it would be the more important achievement for United also) ... because it ensures that we'll keep our best players for further development together, brings in a funding boost at a time when have a massive construction project to finance (not just CL income itself, but also increased sponsorship opportunities) and brings the enjoyment of playing in the CL.

Given the choice between the two for Spurs - FA Cup or CL qualification - I would have chosen the latter. If you disagree that's too bad.
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No it doesn't matter what you think in this instance because the trophies speak for themselves. Therefore you're just wrong.

It's a rather grim bean counter balance sheet outlook you seem to have on football and your club.

An FA Cup would be huge for Spurs. Probably the first major trophy in your lifetime I'm guessing. As you've been at pains to point out in this thread and others, top 4 places come by with a fair degree of regularity. There's nothing special about it. Whereas major trophies have eluded Spurs for years.

The halo effect on your team and manager from winning, what would be for most of them, their first major honour, can't really be counted in monetary terms.
 
Random Task said:
Your arrogance is nothing short of astounding, my Spurs friend, particularly when you consider the last time your lot won the league the fecking Beatles were still in their pomp. Wind your neck in, just a little bit, and comeback when you have a genuine achievement to rub in our faces. Until then.... Lucy in the skyyyyy with diamonds. Great song, I'm sure you remember it well.
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If "arrogance" consists of stating two facts then words lose their meaning.

Nor am I rubbing anything in anyone's face - on the contrary my post was simply refuting the silly claim that Spurs transfer dealings over the last 5 years have not overall been good.

So if anyone needs to "wind their neck in" it's you.
 
I didn't realise how much I genuinely dislike Spurs until I found myself taking a copious amount of joy in them bottling that game at Chelsea

It was utterly glorious.
 
Kraftwerker said:
No it doesn't matter what you think in this instance because the trophies speak for themselves. Therefore you're just wrong.

It's a rather grim bean counter balance sheet outlook you seem to have on football and your club.

An FA Cup would be huge for Spurs. Probably the first major trophy in your lifetime I'm guessing. As you've been at pains to point out in this thread and others, top 4 places come by with a fair degree of regularity. There's nothing special about it. Whereas major trophies have eluded Spurs for years.

The halo effect on your team and manager from winning, what would be for most of them, their first major honour, can't really be counted in monetary terms.
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As are, I suppose, the various United fans who've also said they'd prefer CL qualification to the FA Cup.

I've already given my reasons, two of which have nothing to do with "bean counting". And by the way, it's very often United fans who obsess about money - endlessly telling the world about how, because the club is so wealthy, they can supposedly sign whoever they want whenever they want, that top 4 is inevitable for United blah blah blah.

Anyhow, you're apparently happy that United have won the FA Cup but finished outside the top 4. So go off and celebrate ...
 
Hammerfell said:
What I want to know is: why is Glaston disliked on an Aston Villa forum? Was he going through their club with a fine-tooth comb, telling them how awful they were?
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I've not posted on any forum besides this one and a Spurs forum for many years. But, you know, some folk like to mythologise.
 
GlastonSpur said:
The period in question is 5 years (not 3) - the Prem's lowest net spend over the last 5 years. So unfortunately for your attempted portrayal, this transfer period of ins and outs includes Bale.

Your attempted portrayal also leaves out Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele, Wimmer and Vorm ... all of whom have been hits.

Your attempted portrayal also wrongly characterises N'Jie as a flop, when he's barely played due to injury - so the worst that could be said is that jury is out. Likewise Yedlin, who cost all of £2m, has mainly been out on loan to gain experience, during which time he has now achieved regular starting slot at Sunderland.

Nor is the jury "still out" on Lamela, who now is a regular part of the first XI at a club that finished in 3rd place, nor on Trippier and Davies, who have both done well as squad cover for Walker and Rose

Overall, your attempted portrayal is full of more holes than a golf course. Must try harder.
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Funny how when talking about United being in decline it's "finished below Spurs 2/3 seasons", but when discussing Spurs signings the net is cast wider to give a much more positive light (although if it includes Lloris & Verthonghen it also must includes flops like Sigurdsson, Adebayor, Dempsey, Holtby, Coulibaly etc)

My comparisons aren't years in the past and to class Lamela, Wimmer, Vorm, Davies & Trippier as successes would at least give explanation as to your belief that Spurs have far more hits than not. Lamela being a record signing attacker with 7 goals in 73 appearances. Likewise Wimmer, Davies, Trippier & Vorm whose only real contribution has been being part of a weakened side dumped our of a few cup competitions.

I suppose by that logic Rojo, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Depay & Di Maria have been successes also (which they haven't).
 
GlastonSpur said:
If "arrogance" consists of stating two facts then words lose their meaning.

Nor am I rubbing anything in anyone's face - on the contrary my post was simply refuting the silly claim that Spurs transfer dealings over the last 5 years have not overall been good.

So if anyone needs to "wind their neck in" it's you.
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Well since we have just won the FA cup, a trophy Spurs have not won since the glory days of Gary Lineker himself, I'm keeping my elongated neck precisely where it is thank you very much :p

As for refuting a silly claim, which you are perfectly entitled to do were that the case, but you're not refuting a claim are you? You are denying fact. If you read up, you will find that a certain member of the forum has provided statistical evidence pointing to the fact that Spurs' net spend far exceeds that of the vast majority of football clubs on the planet.... and.... you have absolutely nothing to show for it. Nothing whatsoever.

Do no confuse fact with fiction, mate, it is unbecoming of you.
 
GlastonSpur said:
As are, I suppose, the various United fans who've also said they'd prefer CL qualification to the FA Cup.

I've already given my reasons, two of which have nothing to do with "bean counting". And by the way, it's very often United fans who obsess about money - endlessly telling the world about how, because the club is so wealthy, they can supposedly sign whoever they want whenever they want, that top 4 is inevitable for United blah blah blah.

Anyhow, you're apparently happy that United have won the FA Cup but finished outside the top 4. So go off and celebrate ...
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No, they'd be wrong if they said United hadn't just had a more successful season than anything Spurs have managed since Lineker though. That is after all what we were talking about.

That's just nonsense re: United fans who think we can sign whoever we want whenever we want. I don't know a single one and there are none here. Strawman arguments.

I'm too hungover to celebrate. And I've lost my voice. But it does feel great nonetheless. A stark contrast to the empty joy I'd be feeling from a two-a-penny top 4 finish with no league title.
 
Random Task said:
... As for refuting a silly claim, which you are perfectly entitled to do were that the case, but you're not refuting a claim are you? You are denying fact. If you read up, you will find that a certain member of the forum has provided statistical evidence pointing to the fact that Spurs' net spend far exceeds that of the vast majority of football clubs on the planet...

Do no confuse fact with fiction, mate, it is unbecoming of you.
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:rolleyes:

You've got me there sunshine, I'm sure our net spend over the last 5 years has exceeded that of the likes of Hamilton Academicals and some random club in the Argentinan 4th division.

The only fact I've spoken of is Prem net spend over the last 5 years - so which fact am I denying?
 
Kraftwerker said:
No, they'd be wrong if they said United hadn't just had a more successful season than anything Spurs have managed since Lineker though. That is after all what we were talking about.

That's just nonsense re: United fans who think we can sign whoever we want whenever we want. I don't know a single one and there are none here. Strawman arguments.

I'm too hungover to celebrate. And I've lost my voice. But it does feel great nonetheless. A stark contrast to the empty joy I'd be feeling from a two-a-penny top 4 finish with no league title.
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OK, so I'm wrong, these other United fans are wrong also. The only one who is right is you. So feck off and wallow in your rightness.
 
GlastonSpur said:
OK, so I'm wrong, these other United fans are wrong also. The only one who is right is you. So feck off and wallow in your rightness.
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Major trophy count season 2015/16:

United: 1
Spurs: 0 (in fact this number remains the same when we extend the time period to 1992-2016)

It's really not difficult. Nor is it wallowing in rightness to point out a simple fact like this.
 
finneh said:
Funny how when talking about United being in decline it's "finished below Spurs 2/3 seasons", but when discussing Spurs signings the net is cast wider to give a much more positive light (although if it includes Lloris & Verthonghen it also must includes flops like Sigurdsson, Adebayor, Dempsey, Holtby, Coulibaly etc)

My comparisons aren't years in the past and to class Lamela, Wimmer, Vorm, Davies & Trippier as successes would at least give explanation as to your belief that Spurs have far more hits than not. Lamela being a record signing attacker with 7 goals in 73 appearances. Likewise Wimmer, Davies, Trippier & Vorm whose only real contribution has been being part of a weakened side dumped our of a few cup competitions.

I suppose by that logic Rojo, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Depay & Di Maria have been successes also (which they haven't).
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The subject in question - namely Spurs transfer dealings and net spend over the last five years - was established long before you blundered your way into the discussion. So don't blame me if your post ended up being trashed for it's nonsense.

I honestly can't be bothered to reply to your stupidities any further. It's clear that your only real intent is effectively to says "Spurs are crap, Spurs are crap" over and over.

Sadly for you, rubbish old Spurs will be playing the in Champions League next season, but I have suggestion to keep you occupied and happy: start a thread called "Spurs in the Champions League" and then fill it with posts saying that we'll be dumped out in the group stages, embarrassment to English football, Lamela is crap etc etc.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Major trophy count season 2015/16:

United: 1
Spurs: 0 (in fact this number remains the same when we extend the time period to 1992-2016)

It's really not difficult. Nor is it wallowing in rightness to point out a simple fact like this.
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Excellent. Now feck off and contemplate your chances in the EL next season.
 
GlastonSpur said:
:rolleyes:

You've got me there sunshine, I'm sure our net spend over the last 5 years has exceeded that of the likes of Hamilton Academicals and some random club in the Argentinan 4th division.

The only fact I've spoken of is Prem net spend over the last 5 years - so which fact am I denying?
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Now you're just being childish.

Simple fact of the matter is this, Spurs haven't won the league since 1960 - just allow that small fact to resonate for a bit - and since that time they have spent an exorbitant amount of money with absolutely nothing to show for it. Had Spurs not bottled the league this year (what are they putting in the water down there in North London?) then you may actually have had an acheivement with which to boast about. Right now your words are simple nothings, whispers in the wind if you will, and that won't change until Spurs pluck up the courage to win a league title.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Let me repeat the question: which fact is the one you claim I'm denying?
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Do your own research, I'm not your errand boy. And don't pretend you didnt see posts with which I'm referring too, it's quite pathetic in all honesty.

1960. The Beatles. End of.
 
GlastonSpur said:
The subject in question - namely Spurs transfer dealings and net spend over the last five years - was established long before you blundered your way into the discussion. So don't blame me if your post ended up being trashed for it's nonsense.

I honestly can't be bothered to reply to your stupidities any further. It's clear that your only real intent is effectively to says "Spurs are crap, Spurs are crap" over and over.

Sadly for you, rubbish old Spurs will be playing the in Champions League next season, but I have suggestion to keep you occupied and happy: start a thread called "Spurs in the Champions League" and then fill it with posts saying that we'll be dumped out in the group stages, embarrassment to English football, Lamela is crap etc etc.
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The ramblings of bitterness after being shown to be spouting selective disingenuous nonsense, ladies and gentleman.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You're the one whose claimed I've denied a "fact", but now refuse to tell me which "fact". Your bluster has been exposed as empty.
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I'm not telling you simply because you know fully well what I'm referring too, but still you insist on playing this game purely for the sake of it. You're acting like a petulant child. And you're now starting to bore me.

1960.
 
Random Task said:
I'm not telling you simply because you know fully well what I'm referring too, but still you insist on playing this game purely for the sake of it. You're acting like a petulant child. And you're now starting to bore me. ...
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The only fact that I can see you've mentioned is: "... the fact that Spurs' net spend far exceeds that of the vast majority of football clubs on the planet".

1) This fact is ridiculous to cite, since it applies to the net spend of probably every club in the Championship, never mind the Prem.

2) I haven't even ever referred to it, far less denied it.

The only fact in relation to net spend that I've cited is that Spurs have the lowest in the Prem over the last 5 seasons.

So what's the next piece of crap that you want to come up with?
 
GlastonSpur said:
Excellent. There's a good forum in Armenia you can visit to tell everyone about it just before the United team hit town.
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Ahh, pompously dismissing the best European trophy Tottenham have ever won. What a shining light you are to Spurs fans everywhere.

Thanks for the recommendation anyway, I know you're well versed on camping out on other team's forums. Now just because that's how you choose to spend your life, doesn't mean it's everyone's bag, sorry.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Excellent. There's a good forum in Armenia you can visit to tell everyone about it just before the United team hit town.
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How bullish can you be about United entering a competition you've played in for the best of the last decade :lol:

It's the second time in your history that you qualified for Champions League and you behave as if you'd won the whole thing FFS :lol:
 
Sarni said:
How bullish can you be about United entering a competition you've played in for the best of the last decade ...
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I can be pretty bullish if you like: United have a decent chance of reaching the last 16 at least, maybe even go further. After all, you've got Mourinho now.
 
Pride in net spend is completely baffling. It's only a sign of a club selling their players. Why is this a good thing?
 
Silverman said:
So ya ignore the comments where ya have no comeback for :lol:
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The comment I ignored was "I doubt they care too much about Spurs".

But that's because Spurs aren't in the EL ... so why would they care at all about us in that competition?
 
GlastonSpur said:
I can be pretty bullish if you like: United have a decent chance of reaching the last 16 at least, maybe even go further. After all, you've got Mourinho now.
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I bet you £50 you won't even make it out of groups in CL.
 
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