Jose's signings and those possibly leaving this summer?

Mourinho rarely goes above the 30m mark for a player so I can't see him get Stones as he would cost more. He would probably find a cheaper option (Manolas?). Regarding Fellaini I can't recall seeing Mou playing such type of player. He always seem to want his defensive minded midfielders to have a certain level of vision, positioning and passing ability (Cambiasso, Matic, Zanetti etc).
 
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Fellaini is a lot better with his feet than he is with his head. He is good at shooting the ball and not very good at heading it. In the PL Fellaini scored 12 headers since 2008, Chicharito scored 10 since 2010, Smalling 5 since 2008, Carroll 19 since 2008 and Tim Cahill scored 21 during the period that he played with Fellaini.
Fellaini is big and people equate it with special aerial abilities but he isn't good enough to be specially used in the air, Fellaini is an excellent anchor because he is good with his feet and powerful, not because of his ability to head the ball.
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Fellaini is best utilized behind the striker were he can harass defenders with his size and physicality. I agree that he's not a beast in terms of headers but he does know how to make a nuisance of himself especially in defences that lack inches.

Unfortunately for him Mou doesn't play that type of player as no 10
 
devilish said:
Mourinho rarely goes above the 30m mark for a player so I can't see him get Stones as he would cost more. He would probably find a cheaper option (Manolas?). Regarding Fellaini I can't recall seeing Mou playing such type of player. He always seem to want his defensive minded midfielders to have a certain level of vision, positioning and passing ability (Cambiasso, Matic, Zanetti etc).
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I'd like to think he'll go above £30m as you get nothing for that these days and with us obviously looking to buy/lots of competition for players this transfer window the price are surely going to be inflated. Not to mention - if it's there he'd be silly not to just for the sake of it.
 
@Raoul Why do you want to see the back of Daley Blind? He's been one of our best and most consistent player last season and it's not like he's on big wages or anything. Also he bonded well with the squad, he seems like he's on good terms with everyone.

José might turn him into a midfield maestro or he'll simply be a squad option for CDM/CB but i don't for one second think he should be sold.
 
RedPed said:
This love in with Schneiderlin that everyone has is rickvery baffling considering he's been shite all season. He wasn't even brilliant at Southampton...functional but not brilliant. That was his level. Who's to say Rojo won't also be magically transformed under Mourinho too. Very easy to slate a player when it's fashionable to do so. He certainly hasn't been our worst player this season. I'd be happy for him to stay and see what he can do. He could be the next Paddy Evra when you think of the shaky start that he had when he came. Very similar in style too.
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"Shite all season"

Must have missed City game at Etihad then? Best destroying display for a United midfielder for a very long time IMO. Or to lesser extend, vs Arsenal at OT. Outperformed vs Carrick on better shape, who was our best midfielder, both games last season 14-15. Was excellent vs Chelsea in 14-15. And City in in 14-15. If he can consistently output those performance then he would do well for Mourinho.

Funny how you on one hand down play Schneiderlin with revisionism, while on the other hand hype up Rojo who has less memorable great moment for United fan to remember. In no way, I am dismissing Rojo, but I just find it very ironically.
 
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@Raoul Why do you want to see the back of Daley Blind? He's been one of our best and most consistent player last season and it's not like he's on big wages or anything. Also he bonded well with the squad, he seems like he's on good terms with everyone.

José might turn him into a midfield maestro or he'll simply be a squad option for CDM/CB but i don't for one second think he should be sold.
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He just doesn't strike me as a Jose type player. Could be wrong of course, but with us almost certainly buying a CB and Shaw returning next year, Blind will probably be relegated with a bit part utility sub type role, which the player himself may not be pariculalry keen about going into the 2018 WC cycle.
 
Raoul said:
He just doesn't strike me as a Jose type player. Could be wrong of course, but with us almost certainly buying a CB and Shaw returning next year, Blind will probably be relegated with a bit part utility sub type role, which the player himself may not be pariculalry keen about going into the 2018 WC cycle.
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I suppose Mourinho could offer him the "Mikel role" in terms of gametime and i see Blind as someone who wants to remain a United player so that could be a solution. If it was up to me though he would be one of the first names on the teamsheet, i'm a big Blind fanboy:D
 
I really don't see it with Stones and tbh, I have 100% success rate at calling transfers. Listen to me, Jose.

If we're going to spend the silly money he'd cost, at least try Varane first.
 
ti vu said:
"Shite all season"

Must have missed City game at Etihad then? Best destroying display for a United midfielder for a very long time IMO. Or to lesser extend, vs Arsenal at OT. Outperformed vs Carrick on better shape, who was our best midfielder, both games last season 14-15. Was excellent vs Chelsea in 14-15. And City in in 14-15. If he can consistently output those performance then he would do well for Mourinho.

Funny how you on one hand down play Schneiderlin with revisionism, while on the other hand hype up Rojo who has less memorable great moment for United fan to remember. In no way, I am dismissing Rojo, but I just find it very ironically.
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I'm not hyping up Rojo, he could do better...but then so could most of the team tbf. I'm just saying all the stick he gets is a bit harsh by the same people who see Schneiders as the next best thing since sliced bread. He's probably had one or two, three at the most decent performances for United but the rest of the time he's been shite. Don't just take my word for it though...ask the French boss!

All I'm saying is if people think Schneiders will come good under Mourinho, why not Rojo?
 
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He was commended and he also failed. A lot of fans love this Football Manager type idea of buying and selling lots of players but the reality is rarely like that. It takes time to build a team. He will want all players on side quickly, and that means minimal change.
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We currently don't have the quality for 'minimal change' though.
 
RedPed said:
I'm not hyping up Rojo, he could do better...but then so could most of the team tbf. I'm just saying all the stick he gets is a bit harsh by the same people who see Schneiders as the next best thing since sliced bread. He's probably had one or two, three at the most decent performances for United but the rest of the time he's been shite. Don't just take my word for it though...ask the French boss!

All I'm saying is if people think Schneiders will come good under Mourinho, why not Rojo?
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Again with 'shite' and 'decent'. With this kind of assessment, more than half of the current thin squad would be gone. Is there any clubs bar 'Arry Rednapp's out there that be able to pull through 10+ players in a single transfer windows? Schneiderlin is similar to former players under Mourinho. Can't recall any players under Mourinho that resembles Rojo style. Rojo hardly has any memorable great performance for United. So it's reasonable for people question Rojo future under Mourinho than Schneiderlin. Opinion differs for different people. This French boss started Sakho in place of Kolscielny last World Cup. Schneiderlin doesn't deserve the call up for this season inconsistency. However, writing a player off after 1 season and revise the previous season, to help making up Rojo's 2 not impressive seasons less underwhelming for United is just plainly wrong.
 
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Again with 'shite' and 'decent'. With this kind of assessment, more than half of the current thin squad would be gone. Is there any clubs bar 'Arry Rednapp's out there that be able to pull through 10+ players in a single transfer windows? Schneiderlin is
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That is correct! They need to be gone! Van Gaal did it! He got rid of the 'deadwood' (which he was praised for) but just replaced them with more 'deadwood'! Which is why we're in this mess.
 
RedPed said:
I'm not hyping up Rojo, he could do better...but then so could most of the team tbf. I'm just saying all the stick he gets is a bit harsh by the same people who see Schneiders as the next best thing since sliced bread. He's probably had one or two, three at the most decent performances for United but the rest of the time he's been shite. Don't just take my word for it though...ask the French boss!

All I'm saying is if people think Schneiders will come good under Mourinho, why not Rojo?
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Rojo is an absolute car crash of a player, his positioning on set pieces is unbelievably bad. His concentration on the pitch is dreadful, he misplaces so many passes. He gives away so many needless fouls. When he actually gets up in the opposition's half his delivery is shocking. He's a rash player and an accident waiting to happen. He's so bad we don't actually know where his best position is. Mourihno can't work miracles, Rojo makes Liverpool defenders look good.That's how crap he is.

Schneiderlin is a quality player, Van Gaal could suck the confidence out of Messi. He had a few poor games in the second half of the season. He's a DM, people don't understand his role. We need a proper attacking midfielder to partner him. It was his first season playing in a terrible team. I can see him being a huge player next year under Mourinho, just you wait and see.
 
RedPed said:
That is correct! They need to be gone! Van Gaal did it! He got rid of the 'deadwood' (which he was praised for) but just replaced them with more 'deadwood'! Which is why we're in this mess.
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Would you bet your house on over half of the current squad would be gone this summer though?
 
Phil said:
I really don't see it with Stones and tbh, I have 100% success rate at calling transfers. Listen to me, Jose.

If we're going to spend the silly money he'd cost, at least try Varane first.
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Yes please. What happened to him in Madrid anyway? Did his performance levels drop off or something? He was impressive when he was a regular.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
Rojo is an absolute car crash of a player, his positioning on set pieces is unbelievably bad. His concentration on the pitch is dreadful, he misplaces so many passes. He gives away so many needless fouls. When he actually gets up in the opposition's half his delivery is shocking. He's a rash player and an accident waiting to happen. He's so bad we don't actually know where his best position is. Mourihno can't work miracles, Rojo makes Liverpool defenders look good.That's how crap he is.

Schneiderlin is a quality player, Van Gaal could suck the confidence out of Messi. He had a few poor games in the second half of the season. He's a DM, people don't understand his role. We need a proper attacking midfielder to partner him. It was his first season playing in a terrible team. I can see him being a huge player next year under Mourinho, just you wait and see.
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I think you've also described Schneiderlin perfectly too. :lol: He should've stayed at Southampton.

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Would you bet your house on over half of the current squad would be gone this summer though?
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Yeah it probably won't happen as much as I would like it too. Probably going to have to wait till the following season to se the real United again.
 
I don't see radical surgery in the cards.

2-3 regular starters, provided top quality, is all that's required to return the league trophy. There is no CL for us next season and there's good reason to doubt Mourinho will go all in for the Europa League.

Stones at CB. I'd prefer Laporte, but I understand the concern regarding his injury.
Ibrahimovic at striker/predator/killer.
Kante at DCM because he's ridiculous and he's exactly what we need in midfield.

Some might want to add a RB but we're stocked well enough there and Darmian did enough to deserve a second season. Some might want to add Mahrez I have no doubt Mourinho can make a man out of Memphis.

Prune Mata and Fellaini out of the squad if that's what Mou wants to do. We're set.

Edit: I'd like to see Greizmann come to OT but somehow I don't see it happening. (Kante, not Kane.)
 
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Hard to judge any player under LvG, so some players will get a reprieve. I can see a lot of the fringe players like Keane , Powell and Blackett leave. I would like to see him take Blind out of central defense. The guy is good on the ball which is clouding a lot of peoples judgement. He is a revolving door when other teams attack.
 
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It will be interesting this transfer window how ed Woodward doe,s, we all know Jose will have target,s but will woody deliver, let,s face it he let down moyes and van gal with there target,s so it,s going to be interesting how he get,s on this summer.
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he only delivered what he could, unrealistic targets for managers are just unrealistic, what don't you understand on it?? Yeah. just keep blaming Woodward. You can have money on transfer and for wages but you don't convince a player to play for someone like Moyes (Fabregas) rather than Mourinho or for a club with no champions league when you already play for the best club in the world (Neymar/Bale/Muller) just use your fecking brain, the only thing he can be critisized could only be slightly overpaying some players but for the same reasons and saf stubborness we didn't get the targets we wanted past couple of years..
 
Spock said:
I don't see radical surgery in the cards.

2-3 regular starters, provided top quality, is all that's required to return the league trophy. There is no CL for us next season and there's good reason to doubt Mourinho will go all in for the Europa League.
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I wouldn't mind if Mourinho goes all out for it and bring us our first ever Europa trophy. Utilise our youngsters as much as possible for both domestic cups. A CB, box to box CM, right winger and forward on top of what we have can manage the league and Europa I think. Not expecting a lot of exits, I suspect as most Carrick and Mata/Fellaini will go.
 
If we learned anything from the last 2 summers, it is that the total wages of incoming transfers will be remarkably similar to the total wages of the players leaving the club. In reality that means some big earners will have to depart if big earners are to arrive. I imagine Mata will go and Fellaini too. Schweinsteiger would if there was an offer on the table but that bit might be unrealistic. Memphis earns far more than any suitor would be willing to pay him after his first season in the PL. Not sure about Rooney; Mourinho might be well advised to move him on from a position of strength rather than wait around. Ashley Young is another who probably earns a lot relative to his value to us as a squad player. Rojo must be vulnerable after such a dreadful season. Herrera might be too, though I like him.

If United are to spend £150m gross then I'd expect us to look to sell £75m worth of players; easier said than done.
 
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We currently don't have the quality for 'minimal change' though.
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That's your opinion. I don't think the squad is as bad as most think. Yes we need some quality but I'm certainly not expecting wholesale changes in one transfer window.
 
m1y2 said:
he only delivered what he could, unrealistic targets for managers are just unrealistic, what don't you understand on it?? Yeah. just keep blaming Woodward. You can have money on transfer and for wages but you don't convince a player to play for someone like Moyes (Fabregas) rather than Mourinho or for a club with no champions league when you already play for the best club in the world (Neymar/Bale/Muller) just use your fecking brain, the only thing he can be critisized could only be slightly overpaying some players but for the same reasons and saf stubborness we didn't get the targets we wanted past couple of years..
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This though I think it depends on who exactly was targeting those stars, was it the manager or it was Woodward who insisted he could deliver them?
 
I have a feeling Blind will take the most hit. Jose won't use him to defend and he's not good enough for midfield.
 
I don't see too many exits happening, Mourinho needs to work with what he's got and add in 3 key signings in the spine of the team.

I think we're harsh on the current side. So many players playing counter-intuitively. If LVG can suck the creativity out of Di Maria then its very plausible that he's done the same to other players and we might see 1 or 2 back to the levels they were at when we bought them.
 
m1y2 said:
he only delivered what he could, unrealistic targets for managers are just unrealistic, what don't you understand on it?? Yeah. just keep blaming Woodward. You can have money on transfer and for wages but you don't convince a player to play for someone like Moyes (Fabregas) rather than Mourinho or for a club with no champions league when you already play for the best club in the world (Neymar/Bale/Muller) just use your fecking brain, the only thing he can be critisized could only be slightly overpaying some players but for the same reasons and saf stubborness we didn't get the targets we wanted past couple of years..
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Well buying Fellini for more than his buy out clause tells me he,s doing a fantastic job, if the manager wants unrealistic targets we might aswell wrap up, everyone's got a price, Chelsea, man city, Real Madrid, Munich,Barcelona don't have problems bringing world stars to the club, wake up sunshine, we're manchester utd for fack sake.
 
ti vu said:
"Shite all season"

Must have missed City game at Etihad then? Best destroying display for a United midfielder for a very long time IMO. Or to lesser extend, vs Arsenal at OT. Outperformed vs Carrick on better shape, who was our best midfielder, both games last season 14-15. Was excellent vs Chelsea in 14-15. And City in in 14-15. If he can consistently output those performance then he would do well for Mourinho.

Funny how you on one hand down play Schneiderlin with revisionism, while on the other hand hype up Rojo who has less memorable great moment for United fan to remember. In no way, I am dismissing Rojo, but I just find it very ironically.
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:lol:

And he was directly responsible for both goals against Arsenal.

He's been awful this season. Rojo has been worse though.
 
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I don't see too many exits happening, Mourinho needs to work with what he's got and add in 3 key signings in the spine of the team.

I think we're harsh on the current side. So many players playing counter-intuitively. If LVG can suck the creativity out of Di Maria then its very plausible that he's done the same to other players and we might see 1 or 2 back to the levels they were at when we bought them.
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Agree with this. He'll be selective in who he brings in and I think will focus on where we are lacking - spine and leadership.
 
RedPed said:
That is correct! They need to be gone! Van Gaal did it! He got rid of the 'deadwood' (which he was praised for) but just replaced them with more 'deadwood'! Which is why we're in this mess.
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I'm afraid your hugely underrating the squad and the signings that we made over the last few seasons. Yes LVG got rid of the deadwood and he replaced them with far better players just haven't quite lived up to potential yet. What yiu have to realise is that football isn't just about the individual players, it's about creating the right balance to produce a solid team. Van Gaal never achieved a team and his tactics lowered the players performance by 10%. Under a high quality manager that can motivate his players it's reasonable that those players should increase their performance by around 10%, and frankly I'm certain that will happen.

Suddenly players like Schniderlin look like world beaters and back to the best in the league in their position. We still need afew more world class players this summer to finish this squad off but we have the makings of an excellent team.
 
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I'd like to think he'll go above £30m as you get nothing for that these days and with us obviously looking to buy/lots of competition for players this transfer window the price are surely going to be inflated. Not to mention - if it's there he'd be silly not to just for the sake of it.
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My point is that he is not the kind of person to go and break the bank for a player. He never done that at either Chelsea or Inter
 
NinjaZombie said:
There is absolutely no chance of Pogba coming back. I don't know why people still talk about this.
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Weirder things have happened in football. Figo to Barca, RvP to us, Campbell to spurs, Cruyff to Feyenoord, West Ham suddenly announcing Tevez and Mascherano (two muppet targets already on the caf back then), bebe to us...
 
ti vu said:
"Shite all season"

Must have missed City game at Etihad then? Best destroying display for a United midfielder for a very long time IMO. Or to lesser extend, vs Arsenal at OT. Outperformed vs Carrick on better shape, who was our best midfielder, both games last season 14-15. Was excellent vs Chelsea in 14-15. And City in in 14-15. If he can consistently output those performance then he would do well for Mourinho.

Funny how you on one hand down play Schneiderlin with revisionism, while on the other hand hype up Rojo who has less memorable great moment for United fan to remember. In no way, I am dismissing Rojo, but I just find it very ironically.
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I am hoping Mourinho tries putting faith in the likes of Morgan, Herrera and Memphis, see how they do in a more purpose driven style of play, where it does not need 50 passes to get out of our own half. I believe just to help rashfords development, another striker is needed to take the load off his back. I am hoping he is going for a 433 and a 4231, but Jose does have some very good pieces he could mould, but defense and perhaps another midfielder to gel it all together could see us looking like a much better outfit

DDG
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It depends what he wants, and the shape he wants us set up. But we can't be having too many 30 year old's in the team, would not want rooney, zlaten and carrick all starting together
 
JPRouve said:
Fellaini is a lot better with his feet than he is with his head. He is good at shooting the ball and not very good at heading it. In the PL Fellaini scored 12 headers since 2008, Chicharito scored 10 since 2010, Smalling 5 since 2008, Carroll 19 since 2008 and Tim Cahill scored 21 during the period that he played with Fellaini.
Fellaini is big and people equate it with special aerial abilities but he isn't good enough to be specially used in the air, Fellaini is an excellent anchor because he is good with his feet and powerful, not because of his ability to head the ball.
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Just so you know fellaini is the messi of chest control.
 
Truedevil said:
@Raoul Why do you want to see the back of Daley Blind? He's been one of our best and most consistent player last season and it's not like he's on big wages or anything. Also he bonded well with the squad, he seems like he's on good terms with everyone.

José might turn him into a midfield maestro or he'll simply be a squad option for CDM/CB but i don't for one second think he should be sold.
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I think hes not really nailed down one position. Hes done well at LB but hes no luke shaw. He was poor in cm. At CB he did well but there is always a question mark over him. We clearly need a CB so it would naturally be him who makes way. Would keep him as back up but nothing more. The perfect bench warmer. A poor mans john o'shea (seriously)
 
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