Apparently some famous singer "Christina Grimmie" was one of those shot dead. Sorry, she must just be famous in the USA.
Mass shooting at Gay night club in Orlando
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That was the day before in a separate incident in the same city mate.
She was shot yesterday a few miles away while signing autographs for fans after her show.
But guns aren't a problem.
He cited that from what I can recall.. he also focused on Spain as well, with Basque and Catalan identity being represented by their respective clubs.
I know what you are, I'm totally OK with it. Embrace your true self friend.
Ahhh sorry guys, just saw it flash across my screen and put 2 and 2 together and got 5! Easy mistake to make though, feck, unlucky Florida
Nice to see you making judgements about random strangers on an internet forum as well. You would fit in well with those radical idiots.
what's with all the comparison with christianity? is it an attempt to deflect blame? plus I'm not a christian so I have no problem "admitting" that christianity has its fair share of problems when it comes to homosexuality, including dissonance with scripture and how the society has evolved today.
I wouldn't say that "islam turns people into dicks", but let's just say that it doesn't help. preachers spewing "gays must die" nonsense, whether it be islam or christianity, doesn't help outsiders warm up to their religion, whether it be their intention or not.
No gun problems though.Ahhh sorry guys, just saw it flash across my screen and put 2 and 2 together and got 5! Easy mistake to make though, feck, unlucky Florida
The poor girl was murdered in front of her brother while signing autographs by some loony armed to the teeth.
forbidding doesn't help, though carrying out death penalty for homosexuality is definitely not peaceful.
Fabrique Nationale. Belgian company, isn't it?Evidently not.
It's ok because Florida's Governor has this..
That I agree with but I expect its generally failed states like saudi arabia, iraq, etc who have this penalty. Cant really expect them to treat gays properly when they dont even have basic human rights for their own populations, more of a country problem than a religious one.
That is horrible. Tragic news. I really feel for the people of Florida right now, awful to have these events two days in a row. I think they should be left to mourn, however you just know Trump and co are going to use this and he's already offending people with his tweets. At least Hillary has just given her condolences and left it at that. I hope she does leave it at that too.This is absolutely horrible. Humanity can be so cruel sometimes.
As always we will see nothing positive, in terms of gun control, come out of this.
As always we will see nothing positive, in terms of gun control, come out of this.
Evidently not.
It's ok because Florida's Governor has this..
He shouldn't even be allowed to hold a pair of scissors, never mind a handgun.
Plastic spork should be his limit!
At least we can feel fortunate for one thing and that's Trump's hands are too small to hold a gun, especially any kind of assault rifle.
Unfortunately, this seems to be the case. It's sad.
The fear those people must have felt after hearing the first few shots - horrific. Just like the Batalan (sp).
Yeah I agree. However, we cannot deny here that it is part of the problem as an ideology which permits this. Individuals follow the ideology to varying degrees, however it is the ideology which provides people with a basis to carry out these acts. Of course it would misguided to say Islam was the cause of this incident as it as much to blame as easy access to guns in the USA is.
Seperate, the Grimmie murderer shot himself. A deranged fan.
We have a big Fabrique Nationale factory in Columbia, SC. They make the rifles and machine guns for our military. Googled it. Definitely Belgian.Is this another random thought you are having?
That is random. So what?
Just making you ask questions.
What reason would they have to not claim responsibility?
ISIS = most muslims?
If it makes you all feel any better, I would indeed rather live where gun crime wasn't an issue, etc. I just honestly do not think it is a possibility here in America. It is sad, but that's the reality that I see around me.
I've visited Ireland, the UK, and France. I absolutely loved Ireland. My family is from Ireland originally... first lot came over here in 1651 in service of Lord Baltimore commanding part of his militia.
I honestly admire Europe for the fact that they can have relatively peaceful society without widespread firearms, etc. Hell, I admire most things that European government has accomplished.. that's why I voted for Bernie, as he's as close as we've ever had in my life to doing the things you have. But, my reality is that I was born in a country where that isn't the case, and I just don't believe anything can be done about it, unfortunately, so I choose to exercise the right I have because I believe it better to be prepared than not.
Fair warning... Should Trump be elected, I might be wanting to immigrate. The wife and I have discussed it. Don't worry, I'll leave the guns here should we move to Europe.
You did notice I wrote "ideology" and not "religion" right?
Sometimes the discussion surrounding the Islamistic ideology behind shit things like this doesn't get touched upon, and when they do are often struck down with obvious comments like "Yeah, but not all muslims are terrorists, dontcha know?" Well no shit Sherlock, but it still doesn't stop the Quran and Islam being used as justification for many of these attacks. That is why comments like "ISIS = most muslims" are really not constructive. If I wrote something like "oh, typical muslim behaviour" I could understand the outcry, but please.
The fact is that a Salafist preacher in the Orlando mosque did have a speech condemning gays to death just a short time prior, like shown in this thread.
Reminds me of an Onion headline a while ago - "'No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens".
I think they recently started producing that pistol in the US, which is why Jeb has one. He was given the custom engraved one at the factory.
I had the same thought you did a few weeks ago.
We're a vastly multiethnic nation of 300+ million people with a Constitutional right to firearms, a terrible drug problem, high incarceration rates, a massive gang population, and gaping wealth inequality.
What other nation compares to us in the world?
Awesome. I remember my buddy in the Air National Guard saying he could get FN pistols down in Columbia at a military discount. Didn't realize they were producing them here in SC though.I think they recently started producing that pistol in the US, which is why Jeb has one. He was given the custom engraved one at the factory.
I had the same thought you did a few weeks ago.
you might have a point, but it's still worth noting that 100% of the 10 countries use Islam at some degree as justification for carrying out death penalty for homosexuality. qu'ran doesn't portray islam favorably, either. (and that has to be an understatement)
so I wouldn't count islam out. not even north fecking korea, who are arguably the worst country when it comes to human rights, carries death penalty for homosexuality.
I'll rest my case here as I don't think we'll come to an agreement, but I'll hear you out nonetheless.
I agree that Islam, and Muslim leaders in general, are at fault for not speaking out against violence and stuff like saying there should be a death penalty for gays, it originates from the most backwards country in the world after all that is Saudi, I thought ideology meant relegion so I was a bit offended that you called Islam vile, sorry it was a misunderstanding on my part.
No problem.
And agree, Saudi Arabia and Wahabbism has gotten an unfairly free ride due to hiding under the skirt of the US.
If you have a nation that in part relies upon theocracy, the unsavory bits of the religious texts get magnified, do they not?
I wouldn't feel too good about homosexuals living in a strictly biblical Christian theology either.
Biggest difference I think is that Christian nations largely secularized their governments, while Islamic nations have yet to do so. Now, why THAT is the case is a fun historical question.
I wouldn't feel too good about homosexuals living in a strictly biblical Christian theology either.
Biggest difference I think is that Christian nations largely secularized their governments, while Islamic nations have yet to do so. Now, why THAT is the case is a fun historical question.