Labour MP Jo Cox shot | RIP Jo Cox

Ubik said:
Seriously.
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Seriously? If a labour MP campaigning for remain tweets claiming this was an attack by some sort of white nationalist British first supporter on a Remain supporting MP then is that not political point scoring?

If its true then fair enough but this was early after the attack when we don't even know the facts.
 
BringNaniBack said:
Pro Brexit angle? Don't you mean anti-brexit? Or do you mean they are implying it was some sort of attack from a Brexiteers or a remain supporting politician?
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By pro-Brexit angle I mean that it is being implied that the killer is a supporter of Brexit and that his actions were linked to this because his victim is a vocal supporter of the Remain campaign.
 
Rado_N said:
She has seemingly been killed for political reasons.
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Could be. At the moment she has just been killed by a nut job though.
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
I'd call it stereotyping myself, which could be considered deliciously ironic. Nevertheless, I am a fair judge and don't call out posters flippantly; my request was that we don't take this one off topic and I reserve the right to consider posting history when commenting as such.
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I don't like putting gravitas and meaning behind some lunatics actions.

Assassinate implies thought and purpose was behind the act. Fact is they are likely just scum who were too illiterate to argue their point normally.
 
rednev said:
By pro-Brexit angle I mean that it is being implied that the killer is a supporter of Brexit and that his actions were linked to this because his victim is a vocal supporter of the Remain campaign.
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Yep that's what I thought you probably meant and yes I agree that is exactly what the media is doing. They will use anything they can to boost their failing remain campaign.
 
BringNaniBack said:
Yep that's what I thought you probably meant and yes I agree that is exactly what the media is doing. They will use anything they can to boost their failing remain campaign.
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the same would happen if an immigrant killed Farage
 
BringNaniBack said:
Seriously? If a labour MP campaigning for remain tweets claiming this was an attack by some sort of white nationalist British first supporter on a Remain supporting MP then is that not political point scoring?

If its true then fair enough but this was early after the attack when we don't even know the facts.
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Because you were using your first post in a thread on an MP being murdered to attack Remain by saying they were using the tragedy to attack Leave.

If you don't see the irony there, fair enough.
 
Always find it remarkable how some politician get the unstoppable need to interpret current events like this into policital context taking the risk of getting found out. What's there to win, it's not like you have limited time frame to send a message.
 
Javi said:
Always find it remarkable how some politician get the unstoppable need to interpret current events like this into policital context taking the risk of getting found out. What's there to win, it's not like you have limited time frame to send a message.
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They're politicians - they all spin events to fit their narrative, even ones we agree with.

This is particularly distasteful, though.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
They're politicians - they all spin events to fit their narrative, even ones we agree with.

This is particularly distasteful, though.
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Yes of course, but why make a spin minutes/hours after the incident when it's impossible to have gathered all the relevant information to make a solid judgement? You might of course be right in your assessment, but still the risk is there.
 
Terrible news especially for her 2 young kids , RIP.

Wonder if the media will be consistent and report this as a terrorist attack.
 
SteveJ said:
Rest In Peace, Jo.

The suspect seems a most unlikely killer:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...illing-described-as-quiet-polite-and-reserved
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Two separate witnesses have described the gunman in the attack as shouting “Britain first” as he stabbed, shot and kicked Cox.

Graeme Howard, 38, who lives in nearby Bond Street, said the man shouted “Britain first” before shooting the MP.

He said: “He was shouting ‘Britain first’ when he was doing it and being arrested.”

Another eyewitness, Clarke Rothwell, told the Huddersfield Daily Examiner: “He was shouting what sounded like ‘Britain first, Britain first’ but then seemed to panic and hurried off.

“He seemed scared and hurried off towards Union Street, dumping a jacket on the floor. I got into my van and tried to follow him but I lost him.”

A name matching that of the alleged suspect also appears on an extremist website. It describes him as “one of the earliest subscribers and supporters of” a certain extremist publication which is alleged to be linked to white supremacy.
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Hadn't read that yet.
 
The amount of people pushing their little agendas in this thread, and in the media in general is pretty disgusting.

Quite obviously a beautiful, intelligent, and much loved young mum, wife and campaigner.

Beyond heartbreaking for her family first and foremost, and as one with a healthy dose of cynicism towards politicians I don't say it lightly, but a great loss for her constituents.
 
Eyepopper said:
The amount of people pushing their little agendas in this thread, and in the media in general is pretty disgusting.

Quite obviously a beautiful, intelligent, and much loved young mum, wife and campaigner.

Beyond heartbreaking for her family first and foremost, and as one with a healthy dose of cynicism towards politicians I don't say it lightly, but a great loss for her constituents.
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The lack of a full account means it is too early to pass definitive judgment, but you cannot depoliticise the murder of a politician (doing her job), particularly given the circumstances that have been reported and the overall climate.
 
Untied said:
The lack of a full account means it is too early to pass definitive judgment, but you cannot depoliticise the murder of a politician (doing her job), particularly given the circumstances that have been reported and the overall climate.
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You can if they guy was suffering a mental illness.
 
space said:
He didn't just randomly attack a politician..
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John Hinckly Jnr didn't randomly shoot Regan either, but I'd say 'trying to impress Jodie Foster' doesn't really fall into the category of a politically motivated crime.
 
SO sad to see this news from the streets I grew up around...She was a fully committed REMAIN campaigning MP but do I hope that wasn't a reason for her senseless killing.
 
Eyepopper said:
You can if they guy was suffering a mental illness.
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The only thing I've seen so far, from his half-brother, says he had OCD. He may have suffered from other things, of course, we'll have to wait and see what comes out, but you'd think his brother would've mentioned that as well.
 
Eyepopper said:
Mental illness? No, its not really. The DSM sets out pretty well defined criteria for it.
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I disagree. It's actually quite vague, and especially acts of temporary insanity. Mental illness is a spectrum, not an absolute.
 
Ubik said:
The only thing I've seen so far, from his half-brother, says he had OCD. He may have suffered from other things, of course, we'll have to wait and see what comes out, but you'd think his brother would've mentioned that as well.
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Yes, because everyones brother knows their full medical history and state of mind.

I'm no wiser than anyone else on the full facts, but then I'm not claiming to know his motivation.
 
Eyepopper said:
Yes, because everyones brother knows their full medical history and state of mind.

I'm no wiser than anyone else on the full facts, but then I'm not claiming to know his motivation.
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Was just trying to provide some extra info.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
I disagree. It's actually quite vague, and especially acts of temporary insanity. Mental illness is a spectrum, not an absolute.
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The DSM is vague? First time I've heard anyone claim that tbh.

If anything most mental health professionals I know seem to think it's far too tightly defined, I'd share that opinion and see it as probably its biggest limitation.
 
Ubik said:
Was just trying to provide some extra info.
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No one knows this guys motivation at this point, but as usual the internet is full of people prepared to rush to adding 2+2 and coming up with 12, mostly to support their own agenda.
 
Ubik said:
The only thing I've seen so far, from his half-brother, says he had OCD. He may have suffered from other things, of course, we'll have to wait and see what comes out, but you'd think his brother would've mentioned that as well.
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And OCD is the absolute opposite of a mental illness that renders you a threat to other people.

Again, there may have been other issues at play, but if that is the extent of the reported mental health problems then it is ridiculous to leap to that excuse.
 
Eyepopper said:
The DSM is vague? First time I've heard anyone claim that tbh.

If anything most mental health professionals I know seem to think it's far too tightly defined, I'd share that opinion and see it as probably its biggest limitation.
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It's a manual which is perpetually revised. One which includes disorders which are diagnosed relatively, along spectrums. It's always vague when attempting to classify whatever constitutes mental illness, because there is no absolute definition. It's all relative.
 
Will Absolute said:
Murder is often committed for the sake of monetary gain. If the murderer expects to get away with his crime and doesn't care about the welfare of his victim, it's a rational enough act.
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Rational in the plotting, insane in the execution. And, one might argue, irrational in the initial intention as such thoughts are indicative of mental disorder.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
It's a manual which is perpetually revised. One which includes disorders which are diagnosed relatively, along spectrums. It's always vague when attempting to classify whatever constitutes mental illness, because there is no absolute definition. It's all relative.
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I'm not getting into a debate about the DSM here, the point being, it's as likely that this guy was in the middle of a psychotic break as it was a purely politically motivated attack.... in my opinion at least.

The reports of how he was acting would sort of support that, also IMO.

Until the facts come out, maybe people would be better directing their thoughts to the poor victim and her family, rather than speculating, or claiming absolutes which, coincidently, support their own agendas.
 
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