Labour MP Jo Cox shot | RIP Jo Cox

Short memories here, the far-right ideologies of the likes of Breivik and Dylann Roof were extensively gone into by the media. Both were labelled terrorism.

I was more referring to the initial response but I still don't feel like those cases had the same fallout. There was wasn't the endless discussions about what to do about far-right groups and calling for Christians to condemn there actions.

I agree with what someone above has said though, these are mentally ill people who irrespective of their ideologies commit the events because they're mentally ill. Murders happen all the time but when there's an ideology it gets instantly labelled as the cause.
 
According to records obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center Mair was a dedicated supporter of the [/URL]National Alliance (NA), the once premier neo-Nazi organization in the United States, for decades. Mair purchased a manual from the NA in 1999 that included instructions on how to build a pistol.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance

The same year as Copeland's bombing campaign in London, i wonder if it serves as some form of increased radicalisation for this guy? But then there was a sixteen-year delay before he acted...
 
Last edited:
Short memories here, the far-right ideologies of the likes of Breivik and Dylann Roof were extensively gone into by the media. Both were labelled terrorism.

They weren't seen as being representative of their entire race/religion though. Dylan Roof & Breivik are seen as 'lone wolves.'
 
Daily Mail is saying witnesses still insist the culprit shouted "Britain First".
Who takes politics this seriously?
 
Daily Mail is saying witnesses still insist the culprit shouted "Britain First".
Who takes politics this seriously?
Lonely, solitary life, sits in the library all day long. People who live in their own heads have no-one to debate with but themselves.
 
They weren't seen as being representative of their entire race/religion though. Dylan Roof & Breivik are seen as 'lone wolves.'

I only see right wing media imply culprits are representative of their race. I think everyone in this thread is talking about the media as though it is a single entity when in fact they are many positions taken by various outlets.
 
There is plenty of lumping together of all right wingers or all members of religions when a right wing nut shoots up a women's health center.
Go ahead and find one news source or even one poster on here calling for all christians or all republicans to apologise or be banned from entering the country after an attack on an abortion clinic.
 
There is a witness who says he heard the words "(Put) Britain first" so I guess we can only take his word for it and the fact others didn't hear it doesn't mean it wasn't said.

There is all sorts coming out about the guy now so at the very least he does seem to have some odd thoughts.

The receipt showing his purchases referred to in #266 above...

k52620.jpg
An image of the homemade weapon from the book:

howtomake-pistol.png
I've read descriptions from some saying it looked homemade and others that it looked like a sawn-off shotgun, both of which could be said to apply to the above.
 
An image of the homemade weapon from the book:

howtomake-pistol.png
I've read descriptions from some saying it looked homemade and others that it looked like a sawn-off shotgun, both of which could be said to apply to the above.


I heard today that the gun was not homemade. And his other weapon of choice was a foot long hunting knife. He certainly meant business.
 
It just seems so unreal. The attacks in Orlando, the singer in the US being killed while performing and now Jo Cox being shot. The world could do with some peace. Whether nations and people as a whole can work together to achieve peace and end this senseless violence has to be ascertained. The world faces many issues and on top of all that, there's this violence and conflict.

Unfortunately with the rise in popularity of far-right parties around the globe it looks like things are just going to get worse.
 
It just seems so unreal. The attacks in Orlando, the singer in the US being killed while performing and now Jo Cox being shot. The world could do with some peace. Whether nations and people as a whole can work together to achieve peace and end this senseless violence has to be ascertained. The world faces many issues and on top of all that, there's this violence and conflict.

It's worth bearing in mind that this is still probably the most peaceful the world has ever been. Doesn't seem that way at times but the reality is that people as a whole have made a lot of progress even just over the last 100 years. Which is about as much as you can look for given that total peace is impossible.
 
It's worth bearing in mind that this is still probably the most peaceful the world has ever been. Doesn't seem that way at times but the reality is that people as a whole have made a lot of progress even just over the last 100 years. Which is about as much as you can look for given that total peace is impossible.
Indeed it is. Perception though is skewed by the availability of information from around the world.
 
Do you mean that its being homemade would lead to a fault, or the added time inherent to a single-shot weapon?

Bit of both probably- thought those things were normally knackered after a single shot.

A bit of both, yeah. Those things are usually intended for single use and tend to deliver a rather messy kill due to the ballistics involved. If it did hold together enough to use more than once it probably wouldn't be that easy to reload, fire, reload again and fire one more time. Especially considering the circumstances as described.
 
Bit of both probably- thought those things were normally knackered after a single shot.
A bit of both, yeah. Those things are usually intended for single use and tend to deliver a rather messy kill due to the ballistics involved. If it did hold together enough to use more than once it probably wouldn't be that easy to reload, fire, reload again and fire one more time. Especially considering the circumstances as described.

To what extent could practice mitigate the reloading difficulty? If this morning's reports suggest that Cox's attacker might have been planning an act like this for years. But then it might be that the tested the weapon and discovered the problem, and actually bought one as a result.



The irony of someone with Nazi sympathies calling for an elected Westminster MP to put Britain first...
 
To what extent could practice mitigate the reloading difficulty? If this morning's reports suggest that Cox's attacker might have been planning an act like this for years. But then it might be that the tested the weapon and discovered the problem, and actually bought one as a result.

It could improve things but practice often means nought once shit gets real. Remember, you're trying to slide a smallish round into a slightly larger hole, probably while shaking a bit with adrenaline and nerves. It's going to take a second or two.
 
It could improve things but practice often means nought once shit gets real. Remember, you're trying to slide a smallish round into a slightly larger hole, probably while shaking a bit with adrenaline and nerves. It's going to take a second or two.

If that's the time frame we're talking it fits with the initial reports about three shots and a bystander being able to or attempting to intervene.

Certainly seems like whatever weaopnary he was using it was slow shooting for whatever reason and witnesses reported hearing a sound like a balloon popping which doesn't seem to fit with an antique which I assume would be loud as shit.
 
If that's the time frame we're talking it fits with the initial reports about three shots and a bystander being able to or attempting to intervene.

Certainly seems like whatever weaopnary he was using it was slow shooting for whatever reason and witnesses reported hearing a sound like a balloon popping which doesn't seem to fit with an antique which I assume would be loud as shit.

Well, I'm being generous with the second or two, it would be at least two to three times that possibly more depending on your state of mind.

The low volume of the retort could be due to a subsonic round, some can be purchased but it can be achieved by hand loading cartridges, too.
 
There is possibly only one thing more moving than Brendan Cox’s brave tribute to his wife Jo, and that was listening to him read those raw words out over the phone in tears, and then asking quietly if it is alright. Brendan had rung me just after her death was formally announced, just because we are friends and he needed my little help to get her tribute to the media. Through mutual tears, we made one small change, so it was solely focused on his love for her, the protection of their children and determination to conquer the hatred that caused her death.

My family was due to see Jo and Brendan this weekend for a summer solstice gathering in their isolated house – no running water, bring your own alcohol, a 15-minute walk from the nearest road. Basically a field by a river and some music. It made their Thames houseboat feel luxurious.

Jo got people to do things they would never normally do. In my case I had bought a four person tent. Its assembly was something I was dreading, but my kids were too excited for words, already laughing at my imminent inability to put the damned thing up.

Jo had sent out a message that her children had just been through chicken pox, or chicken pops, as her kids called them.

Her note exuded a sense of energy and thoughtfulness, characteristics that exemplified her life. This Saturday that field, due to be full of laughter and children’s games, will stand empty, as will the lives of many of the friends she accumulated effortlessly every day.

Patrick Wintour - The Guardian
 
I've just got back form an inter-faith, inter-creed, inter-everything at the Indian Muslim Welfare Society in Batley. Was really quite emotional event, with speakers ranging from Baroness Warsi, to other local MP's, the local vicar, the local Imam and finally, my dad (who sits on the board of the IMWS) ... who got pretty emotional during his speech, which made me get pretty emotional in turn.

It was remarkable to see just how many people were there (they expected around 80, and got about 800), packed into a hall, just to pay tribute to Jo, and here peoples stories of the effect she had on them as their MP.

Mostly, it was just really nice to see all these people of different faiths mix... at one point, the Vicar and Imam both took to the stage together to say a prayer, together, for her... which I think is a pretty great message in her memory.
 
I've just got back form an inter-faith, inter-creed, inter-everything at the Indian Muslim Welfare Society in Batley. Was really quite emotional event, with speakers ranging from Baroness Warsi, to other local MP's, the local vicar, the local Imam and finally, my dad (who sits on the board of the IMWS) ... who got pretty emotional during his speech, which made me get pretty emotional in turn.

It was remarkable to see just how many people were there (they expected around 80, and got about 800), packed into a hall, just to pay tribute to Jo, and here peoples stories of the effect she had on them as their MP.

Mostly, it was just really nice to see all these people of different faiths mix... at one point, the Vicar and Imam both took to the stage together to say a prayer, together, for her... which I think is a pretty great message in her memory.
Mentioned by the Guardian here, at 20:26 - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-death-police-labour-mp-latest-updates

Can't imagine there's much that can bring any solace to her husband and kids right now, but seeing the sheer volume of goodwill towards her from services like that hopefully makes a difference.
Jo Cox Fund

https://www.gofundme.com/jocox



ETA: Already up to £72,000 in donations.
Wow, up to 167,000 now. Going up in thousands every few minutes.
 
This is as dismal as it gets isn't it? For the way politics is (in this country, atm).

I say, loony loser with dubious political interests tipped over the edge by the unsavoury nature of the Referendum campaigning - both sides, lies vs quasi-racism. One seems to have fed the other, we're only having the fecking thing because of Conservative squabbling about how big a bunch of shits they would like to be moving forward & a desire to persist with dubious outdated beliefs while attempting to do so. As an example of the ridiculousess of some aspects of it, I'll throw in the fairly commonly held belief that big hitter Boris Johnson doesn't actually care, he just wants to be Prime Minister.

Quite how the murder of an MP at a time like this is supposed to not have any political context whatsoever, I find to be quite a remarkable claim, but probably just one factor.

No one deserves this but she would seem to have deserved it least of all. A really, really sad horrible thing.
 
Last edited:
I've just got back form an inter-faith, inter-creed, inter-everything at the Indian Muslim Welfare Society in Batley. Was really quite emotional event, with speakers ranging from Baroness Warsi, to other local MP's, the local vicar, the local Imam and finally, my dad (who sits on the board of the IMWS) ... who got pretty emotional during his speech, which made me get pretty emotional in turn.

It was remarkable to see just how many people were there (they expected around 80, and got about 800), packed into a hall, just to pay tribute to Jo, and here peoples stories of the effect she had on them as their MP.

Mostly, it was just really nice to see all these people of different faiths mix... at one point, the Vicar and Imam both took to the stage together to say a prayer, together, for her... which I think is a pretty great message in her memory.
That's wonderful. She must have been a very special person, she was clearly loved and admired by many people.
 
Just seen this latest update on the Telegraph:

Mair sought help for depression and psychiatric problems the night before Jo Cox’s murder - but was told to return next day.
 
Last edited:
Just seen this latest update on the Telegraph:

Mair sought help for depression and psychiatric problems the night before Jo Cox’s murder - but was told to return next day.
And the BBC are now reporting that he has appeared in Court and given his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain". So that's fairly conclusive, if there was any doubt about his views.

edit - it's another case of someone with dangerous, hate-filled views living (apparently) peacefully in plain sight within an ordinary community, with family and neighbours completely unaware.
 
And the BBC are now reporting that he has appeared in Court and given his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain". So that's fairly conclusive, if there was any doubt about his views.

edit - it's another case of someone with dangerous, hate-filled views living (apparently) peacefully in plain sight within an ordinary community, with family and neighbours completely unaware.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005
Yup... It seems racism / xenophobia / immigration etc may well have played a part.
Britain first / put Britain first etc
 
Looking all the more like a terrorist.