I think like a lot of you Labour lot, I've not felt that the party really represents me for a long time. It just remains mildly preferable to the opposition.Yeah, he has been for a long time. Can we count on you to abandon that shower should he be the one to lead them?
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I'm no Labour man.
But yeah, I know what you mean. Difficult to relate to any party completely I suppose.
Just out of interest when was the time it did ?
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Have any of you ever taken this (quite lengthy I'll admit) political compass test?
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
You can see where you score and compare it to where the political parties score in the list to the left of the main webpage here: https://www.politicalcompass.org
Have any of you ever taken this (quite lengthy I'll admit) political compass test?
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
You can see where you score and compare it to where the political parties score in the list to the left of the main webpage here: https://www.politicalcompass.org
Boris is pretty bad too, mate.
Yeah, fair question. I guess it's not so much a question of 'when it did' but one of 'when I found key members of the party less odious'. Still a difficult one to answer though!
The ramifications of what looks like happening are huge. UK breaking up, long drawn out negotiations with Europe, economic downturn.
IMO, the only people who look good coming out of this are the Tories. The left is completely divided and I can't see Labour galvanizing enough support in the next two elections at least.
Tories could be in power for another 15 years.
IMO, the only people who look good coming out of this are the Tories. The left is completely divided and I can't see Labour galvanizing enough support in the next two elections at least.
Tories could be in power for another 15 years.
For sure.
Everything's changed now. I'd wait till the dust settles before making predictions like that - the two most powerful Tories in the country have just been absolutely destroyed by this, who knows what happens after we get a couple of years of the Boris/ Gove show.
I'd imagine a further election in the next twelve months though.
I'd imagine a further election in the next twelve months though.
Agreed. Cameron has no incentive to stay and be the face whilst Brexit pays havoc with the economy, Osborne won't become leader
Labour might have a leadership challenge too. Labour has shown they're out of touch with the electorate, more so with this referendum. In fact, I dare say Labour might move first - getting the bad news first might be a really good thing.
I think what's the worst part about this (in Westminster at least) is that whoever leads the country in the short-term is going to become ridiculously unpopular because of the recession and hard decisions that will need to be made. Imagine being Gordon Brown but knowing there will be a financial crisis in the first few years of your leadership. We could probably get several sacrificial lambs from all the major parties and all the crap governance that goes with that. So I'm guessing it will be Iain Duncan Smith versus some numpty from Labour.
Cameron and Corbyn gone by the end of the year
New pm... General election with a party winning on a stay / 2nd referendum (on the terms of any renegotiates)
Rinse repeat
New pm... General election with a party winning on a stay / 2nd referendum (on the terms of any renegotiates)
Rinse repeat
I can't see another referendum happening any time soon. I think it might be easier for a pro-Remain party/leader to pretend this one didn't happen, or at least delay it its implementation for as long as possible.
Assuming Cameron doesn't trigger Article 50 out of spite.
He did say he would trigger it immediatley though so tough to back down now
That said Im shocked he let the markets open without making a statement - I wonder if he is seriously considering quitting
hook me up then
Demographics for area I was born in and area I'm currently in:
Area I was born in: http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/north-west/halton
Area currently in: http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/north-west/st-helens
Halton GE results 2010 (57.7% Labour)
Halton GE results 2015 (62.8% Labour)
Halton voted 42.6% Remain (27,678), 57.4% Leave (37,327)
St. Helens GE results 2010 (51.7% Labour)
St. Helens GE results 2015 (57% Labour)
St. Helens voted 42% Remain (39,322), 58% Leave (54,357)
Can see UKIP becoming continue to grow even if Labour somehow get their act together. A lot of previously safe Labour seats over here could end up defecting to UKIP.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/orderedseats.html
Halton #26 and St. Helens North #52 on safest seats so might be being a bit silly, but seats like Rotherham with about 18% difference between Labour and UKIP who voted 68% out are the ones under threat.
Area I was born in: http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/north-west/halton
Area currently in: http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/north-west/st-helens
Halton GE results 2010 (57.7% Labour)
Halton GE results 2015 (62.8% Labour)
Halton voted 42.6% Remain (27,678), 57.4% Leave (37,327)
St. Helens GE results 2010 (51.7% Labour)
St. Helens GE results 2015 (57% Labour)
St. Helens voted 42% Remain (39,322), 58% Leave (54,357)
Can see UKIP becoming continue to grow even if Labour somehow get their act together. A lot of previously safe Labour seats over here could end up defecting to UKIP.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/orderedseats.html
Halton #26 and St. Helens North #52 on safest seats so might be being a bit silly, but seats like Rotherham with about 18% difference between Labour and UKIP who voted 68% out are the ones under threat.
At least your glass still has the class Damo.
It was never out of date .Just ignored.
A lot of remain voters angry with both Cons and Labour. Could we see the second coming of Lib Dems?
A very strange PMQ this. Muted cheers from backbenchers even when they were giving their condolences.
Sounds about right for the pettiness on both sides though.
Sounds about right for the pettiness on both sides though.
Overheard when Mike Gapes said London was the greatest city in Europe - "What about Hull?"
Only if they all sign a pledge to do something specific if/when they come to power.
Lib Dems have always been fairly well aligned with my beliefs, with the amount of chaos between the Tories and Labour and the amount of angry Remain voters (including myself), it will be interesting to see how they fare if Farron can put forward a good and believable set of proposals and manage to regain some of the trust that the party has previously lost.
Not really sure where to put this but here seems as good as any other. Joined the Greens the other day. Got an email inviting me to the local party's general meeting, tonight. Contemplating going but not really sure what to expect. Anyone have any experience of attending such a thing (whatever party) ?
It will be some sort of initiation ceremony.
Good luck
But no I don't know sorry.
Farrons alright as long as you don't ask him about the gays or abortion.
Meh it could be worse, does it matter if he thinks gay sex is "icky" or rather a sin, or that he believe abortion is wrong (which you don't have to be religious to believe), as long as he doesn't pertain those views when he is influencing government policy.
Him abstaining from voting for same sex marriage did in my view. But overall no not really although it might not go down to well with the joe public. But then again the state of the public these days who knows.
Dumping Labour and joining the Lib Dems. Made my mind up.
Hmm.
So you're leaving what I assume you perceive to be an unelectable party to join one that lost 4.4m votes, 46 MPs and 334 deposits at the last election?
I am leaving because I don't sense any sense of direction from Labour.
A potential positive from Brexit.
As someone with a disability, I'll believe it when I see it... All the economic predictions were the exact opposite and stated that Brexit would bring about an extension of austerity, rather than a reprieve.
It has highly doubtful whether such change would have occurred without the referendum, and i think many will consider a more flexible policy to be welcome. Perhaps you can explain to me why it should not be classified as another indirect consequence of the vote?
I'm not so sure. I think this is just George's way of getting out of a pledge he was never going to be able to keep. It's like me saying that I'm no longer going to compete in the "Britain's Best Haircut" competition like I promised five years ago because I can't buy Finder's Crispy Pancakes anymore.
Now he can blame his failure to reach his target on the referendum, ignoring that he's missed every target up until this point anyway.