So you're bothered as long the argument hasn't been challenged - as soon as the cracks appear you become the kind of pragmatist that ignores the only actual evidence available. You WOULD make a good Labour MP!
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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So you're bothered as long the argument hasn't been challenged - as soon as the cracks appear you become the kind of pragmatist that ignores the only actual evidence available. You WOULD make a good Labour MP!
And you keep apologising for someone that has shown himself to be incompetent, continually. And who's performed worse than Ed Miliband did in elections and poll ratings, continually.
I'm not gonna tell you to feck off because I'm not a dick, but it's probably best we stick each other on ignore, we aren't going to agree on anything, seems clear.
That's the sneakiest way of telling someone to feck off I've ever seen.
'I'm not going to tell you to feck off, but get fecked'.
Pictured: Shamwow outside Parliament today
Corbyn has announced new shadow cabinet on twitter:
New appointments that were not announced earlier:
Barry Gardiner - shadow energy secretary
Richard Burgon - shadow justice secretary
Angela Rayner - shadow minister for women and equalities
Debbie Abrahams - shadow work and pension secretary
Call for "100 new MPs"
On a lighter note -
Socialist worker placards there, opining on the leadership of the Labour Party.
I find it ironic that Corbyn got consistently accused of wanting to deselect MPs but actually all along he's been the one they've been trying to deselect.
What you need to remember is Chukka and Jarvis are unelectable, I heard a guy down the pub who knows a guy who had a mechanic who said they'd never vote them because they're too right wing.
As much proof as you need I think
As much proof as you need I think
Dennis Skinner flicking the V
"Dennis skinner flicking the V"
I'm really on the fence about it all. I love his politics, I love his reflective way of talking about things, I voted for him in the leadership election. However, I think his balanced approach to the referendum hasn't helped Remain a bit, and I know it's because he's ambivalent himself. "Remain and reform" wasn't on the ballot paper. Would he win a General Election for Labour? I seriously doubt it, and yet I don't want him to be ousted.
We didn't hear Boris and his crew balance their rabble-rousing with positive facts about being in Europe. You don't, when you're trying to win hearts and minds to support one way of looking at an issue. Jeremy just didn't pitch it right, I'm afraid, and it was a very big mistake.
Don't know how much truth is in this
but if it true than this idea that Corbyn failed on the Eu Referendum is well shite. Although should state I don't how true it is.
but if it true than this idea that Corbyn failed on the Eu Referendum is well shite. Although should state I don't how true it is.
Yougov reported more Labour remain voters and less Tories. Definitely ball park.
Keep seeing Labour MPs criticise Corbyn by saying they were all united on the EU, and he didn't work hard enough.
This whole thing is a stitch up, which is a huge reason as to why it can't be allowed to succeed. We're not just fighting for Corbyn, we're fighting for integrity in the Labour party.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the SWP: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/05/comrades-war-decline-and-fall-socialist-workers-party
Agree. If the MP's where to make Corbyn resign it would a huge blow to not only the members but the unions backing him, so even if Corbyn wanted to go he knows that he can't really.
Fair points. My issue with having a go at him for the EU campaign is this:
Boris' crew had the advantage of selling a dream, and having an "incumbent" to criticise.
My issue with Corbyn being criticised for not being 100% happy with the EU is - who would it convince? Anyone who already thinks that is going to be voting Remain anyway.
Then you have the people who've seen years (decades?) of headlines criticising the EU. Politicians blaming it for their own failures when it suits (i.e. Tory immigration promises).
So Corbyn comes out and says "The EU is GREAT! I'd give it 10/10". Who is that going to convert? It didn't work for Cameron.
Besides that, Boris crew didn't need a party leader to deliver a win so these Labour MPs having a go at Corbyn should probably have a look at themselves too. Hodge's own constituency couldn't deliver a Remain vote. She should hold a lot of the blame for that, she's their MP.
To be fair they could just be handing out signs to people. I mean what Corbyn supporter isn't going to turn down a sign that Tories Out, Refugees in.
Not read the piece but yeah they are bit mad, watched a talk from them on youtube and there was a lot of talk about Comrades. Still worth listening if only to hear a different viewpoint.
I don't think I've ever seen a protest that they didn't turn up to though, and there were plenty of Labour supporters there too.
Did Corbyn not want to leave for ages? Labour seriously need to sort themselves out, otherwise your options in the next election are: right wing conservatives, unreasonably right wing UKIP, pointless green and lib dems and a Labour Party that don't really seem to know what their followers want or what they want.
That said if Boris takes over we might all be dead well before the next election.
That said if Boris takes over we might all be dead well before the next election.
Lilly Allen is there, so hardly the communist gathering so many are hoping for.
Ah good old secret ballots that aren't so secret.
This is the worst coup of all time.
As a Labour member, if there is a leadership contest, I don't think in good conscience that I can vote for Corbyn.
Out of interest, how come?
Yes you're right, it's always more attractive to be selling something new (especially when you don't have to give any detailed description of how it would work). I like your way of thinking about it.
We all know that many Labour MPs have been waiting for something to hang their discontent upon - this gives them the opportunity. This extraordinary (and quite vitriolic) isolation of Corbyn is about more than the referendum result. Trouble is, grassroots support alone won't enable him to do his job on a day-to-day basis - he needs his MPs behind him for that.
And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed off
Not seen your previous posts so apologies if you've answered. Do you think Corbyn could win next GE? What about if there is a snap GE before A50 button pressed? I think neither.And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed off
Will have to wait for papers tonight to see the evidence, but if true the guy should not be allowed on the ballot paper.
Several reasons, but unlike @Penna I actually feel his presentational and oratorical skills are sorely lacking. I don't want Blair Mark II, but he borders on the soporific. It shouldn't matter, but it does, especially as when I have gone door to door, people cannot name his policies. This is in part to do with what comes across as a lack of message discipline, and actually getting his message across to members and voters. Second, he (and his team) sorely lack strategy. Why fight the party on Trident immediately? People do not care day to day about this. They care about their economic wellbeing. Now of course there is a connection, but much better to get the economic message clear first, make ground there and then fight an internal battle on Trident. Not only would it be much harder to oppose then, the connection between the saved money and the economic policies would be much better to make. Third, he hasn't yet shown that he can win the support of voters beyond a core rump support. The Council Elections were on the whole positive, but with some worrying trends and indicators. Now I was (and am) willing to give him more time, especially as the next GE is in 2020, but the thought of a snap election concerns me greatly and brings to the fore my worries that he never will be able to win these voters around, and that the worrying trends from the Council elections will be accentuated. That's some of them, and I appreciate the alternative pro-Corbyn arguments too.
And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed off
I don't think that he will be, to be honest, and I won't leave if he stays either. I don't like the idea of abandoning a movement I actually believe in (not least because I am a trade unionist too).