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I don't get this. Is this you sarcastically laughing at that dude suggesting Pogba wouldn't walk into Spurs midfield(because he believes the likes of Ali are better) or it's simply you genuinely saying that Pogba isn't better than Ali.
Just want some clarification
A series of misunderstandings, mockery - that kind of thing. I tell you what though, I would rather Dier over Pogba
Pogba at 19 breaks in to a midfield that contains Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio, all at their peak at that time. He also starts for the NT in a midfield that contains Kante, Matuidi, Schneiderlin, Payet, Diarra. But at Spurs, he'll be rubbing elbows with Ryan Mason in competition for a league cup run out against Wimbledon.
What a riot.
What a riot.
I love how everyone's convinced Castles has been briefed on this one despite the fact 95% of his stories are plucked from his arse
As some of us have mentioned before, the media chatter in Spain indicates that Madrid is not all in on Pogba. And NO, it's got nothing to do with them fearing that they would lose out and covering themselves in order to look good.
ABC (a pretty serious paper, not a sports tabloid) is reporting that Madrid is not going for him. The headline reads: "Pogba no better than Modric or Kroos, doesn't convince" Highlights are:
-Madrid's sporting direction (the have one? LOL) reportedly thinks that the balance between Casemiro, Modric and Kroos is perfect and that bringing Pogba in would mess up that balance and not necessarily perform better as a unit. (What's being left unsaid here, is that Madrid as a matter of PR necessity HAS to play 4-3-3. If healthy, Bale and Cristiano always have to play and you need a striker up front. So Madrid can only play with 3 true midfielders).
-The salary he would command would raise voices in the dressing room from other players.
- The asking price from Juventus and Raiola is madness. The club doesn't believe that he is worth more than what Bale and Ronaldo were in their day.
So, all in all it seems that we're the market for him at the moment. Woodie should have enough room for maneuver to land him, unless the lack of Champions League really, weighs heavy on Pogba's mind.
ABC (a pretty serious paper, not a sports tabloid) is reporting that Madrid is not going for him. The headline reads: "Pogba no better than Modric or Kroos, doesn't convince" Highlights are:
-Madrid's sporting direction (the have one? LOL) reportedly thinks that the balance between Casemiro, Modric and Kroos is perfect and that bringing Pogba in would mess up that balance and not necessarily perform better as a unit. (What's being left unsaid here, is that Madrid as a matter of PR necessity HAS to play 4-3-3. If healthy, Bale and Cristiano always have to play and you need a striker up front. So Madrid can only play with 3 true midfielders).
-The salary he would command would raise voices in the dressing room from other players.
- The asking price from Juventus and Raiola is madness. The club doesn't believe that he is worth more than what Bale and Ronaldo were in their day.
So, all in all it seems that we're the market for him at the moment. Woodie should have enough room for maneuver to land him, unless the lack of Champions League really, weighs heavy on Pogba's mind.
If even Real baulk at the price, you know it's mad.
Why? United will have CL football next season and one year without playing in the competition is not going to kill him.
I explained above. In the second case scenario (i.e. if Madrid don't sign him this summer and he stays at Juve) he could move next summer to his preferred option then. Should he move now to United, he blocks the dream move to La Liga for 4 years at least. Why do this? For more money? But he will get a ot of money to stay for another year at Juve too and he could get a lot of money next summer when he eventually moves. Next year he will have more options to choose from.
In other words, the options are not Madrid or United. Staying at Juve for another season is a very good option for him.
Interesting article @RoyH1. There is also an article on the lack of interest of Madrid by Hazard. They are quite aggressive articles for such a conservative newspaper so it should be taken into account. However it could be Madrid sending notes to the press showing indifference to try to lower the market value.
Different situation as Pogba probably has designs on the Ballon D'or.
Thanks so much for that video! Just so amazing! I've never seen how good he is before, but his weight of pass in this video is sublime, and his vision for through balls or a ball over the top is just what we need for breaking down packed defenses. I'm starting to believe we might sign him and really hope we do.
It's true there is a bias towards players playing in Spain most times but anyone can be the best player in the world at United. Pogba needs to develop maturity. Plenty of top players never won that silly thing. In fact, when United won the treble......we didn't win it. In fact we never won any awards at home either. It's all bullshit. How can we win the treble and none of our lads win that award that year? Prejudice. It's not worth it and I would hope Pogba get's over it. Keane should probably have won it that year but he's Irish...and I guess it wasn't fashionable.
Very different situation at that. Ibra is near retirement and Mkhi is not a player to attract any interest form Real/Barca.
who the hell told you that is his dream move? He has never said such nonsense. His dream move is moving back to manchester. You don't have to make stuff up to prove a point.
Why would Madrid or Barca be willing to pay Juventus asking price next year but not this year? That makes no sense.
You could have made this exact post last summer when Barca backed out of the deal at the last minute themselves.
At this rate Poba would be eying retirement as he waits for his move to Spain.
We should get Zlatan to give Pogba a call
It makes complete sense for him to come to United. If he were to come stay for four seasons then leave to Madrid he'd be in his prime when leaving and in that four years who's to say he couldn't win the ballon d'or with us?? And win some trophies in England? Imo it wouldn't be a bad career choice at all and all that time he'll be earning heaps of cash.
Wishful thinking reigns in this thread.
It makes perfect sense for Real/Barca to wait another year because it is not clear yet whether Pogba is the next big thing or just an overhyped young star.
As to whether Pogba dreams to play for Barca/Real, well, even Bale was dreaming about that. You must be sort of a very strange guy not to, because, let's face it for a moment, Real and Barca are the pinnacle of world football and La Liga is a better league than the EPL for super stars: the likes of Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Ronaldo, Iniesta, Modric, Bale etc. Take off for a moment the rosy tinted glasses and see reality for what ot is. Currently, United are down the pecking order and Pogba will come here only if the very best teams do not want him. It's that simple.
What if he blows his knee out this year? Or Zidane gets sacked and another manager wants other players?
If he turns down a move to United - which he might, because he thinks Madrid might come back for him next year, then he's taking a risk. He'll no doubt be offered massive wages as well as being the poster boy for the biggest club in the most watched league in the world. More than that, he'll have a team built around him - not be second fiddle to Ronaldo and Bale. The commercial rewards are potentially huge.
OK, clutch at straws as long as you want.
I'm all for signing Pogba, I like him and we should tryto get him. But it won't happen.
Talk about wishful thinking.
So another year watching Pogba dominate the same opponents in the same league that hes been dominating for the last 4 years would prove what exactly?
What happens if tbe Spanish big 2 don't want him next season? Wait another year?
There's a talk on social media this morning that Pogba unfollowed Juventus on Twitter and Instagram and removed "Juventus player" line from his Twitter bio.
Checked it, on his Twitter profile he's only "member of France national team". But obviously, can't prove now that he had any Juventus reference there earlier.
On his Instagram profile, he followed many United players recently (Depay, Januzaj, etc).
Make of that what you want...
Checked it, on his Twitter profile he's only "member of France national team". But obviously, can't prove now that he had any Juventus reference there earlier.
On his Instagram profile, he followed many United players recently (Depay, Januzaj, etc).
Make of that what you want...
I would say it would appeal to his ego that he will walk back into the club after 4 years for a massive transfer fee and wages as one of the main men at the club after feeling he was not appreciated 1st time round
The alternative is to guarantee someone a starting slot in your best XI simply because they cost a lot of money or are a 'big name'. There should be no guarantees for anyone in my view - they either perform and play well or else they are dropped to the bench.
So if Pogba (or whoever, in this hypothetical scenario) were to demonstrate that they deserve to displace Dembele or Alli, then fair enough. However, both the latter two had an outstanding season last time around for Spurs, so displacing them is no gimme for anyone ... especially for a player that would still need to show that they adapt well to the Prem.
I remember that di Maria and Schweinsteigger were previously hailed on here as galactico signings to be envied by clubs like Spurs, with much talk of a title-winning team etc etc. Well, it didn't work out that way, so those who are now calling for £100m to be spent on Pogba - and building him up far beyond what he's shown so far - should be less gung-ho IMO.
It's not clutching at straws in regards to what has been said for this transfer. United are willing to meet the asking price while Barca and Real are not. Real have a great midfield currently with Kroos and Modric and in the next 2-3 years I don't think it requires strengthening. If they are to replace a big name in the squad that would be Ronaldo.
Apart from those 2 teams what are Pogba's options really? PSG? I doubt he'll move to France. City/Chelsea aren't exactly much better than us at the moment. Bayern won't pay the asking price and that's it.
Real are a team that is fickle on the next big thing and they will take the one that has the best season currently. That and the idea behind strengthening the midfield where they probably have the best duo for a world record fee is what has us in pole position IMO.
I already answered this question, Cyber. If they do not want him next summer, then he will move to the next best option: United, City, Bayern, PSG, Chelsea...At least 3 from these clubs will want him and will offer him astronomical wages. He has nothing to lose really. In order to address the worst case scenario (bad injury) Juve will offer him a new contract with higher wages and with a release clause. He will have another shot at the CL with Juve and choose his next club next summer.
Modric turns 31 in 2 months...
I'm a little confused as to where we would play him. If its in a midfield 3 we need to buy at least one more midfielder as well as him to sit and control matches. No one else we have can do that (carrick and schwiensteiger could, but niether are mobile or imposing anymore and can't be relied on for a 50 game season).
Then you'd have to rely on Herrera and Schneiderlin to not play like drains next season to occupy the 3rd midfield spot. Quite a big ask considering one failed miserably in his debut season and the other hasn't ever really shown enough to suggest hes good enough for a top club.
But doesn't jose prefer the 4231 anyway? If pogba is to play in a 3 behind the striker, hes not creative enough and his inconsistency would hurt us too much. If its to play in the two, he'd be wasted and not disciplined enough.
No doubting hes a great if inconsistent player, but where does he fit into our team?
If we're serious about getting him then it will be a 433 formation next season, so maybe we are after diarra...
Then you'd have to rely on Herrera and Schneiderlin to not play like drains next season to occupy the 3rd midfield spot. Quite a big ask considering one failed miserably in his debut season and the other hasn't ever really shown enough to suggest hes good enough for a top club.
But doesn't jose prefer the 4231 anyway? If pogba is to play in a 3 behind the striker, hes not creative enough and his inconsistency would hurt us too much. If its to play in the two, he'd be wasted and not disciplined enough.
No doubting hes a great if inconsistent player, but where does he fit into our team?
If we're serious about getting him then it will be a 433 formation next season, so maybe we are after diarra...
And is in his prime. Pepe has had one of his best seasons and Varane still can't displace him and will be 34 in 6 months.
Pogba(although I don't think he deserves that high fee) is much better than either of your first team midfielders. What's the guarantee Alli or Dembele will be good again this season? Or Kane given he looked like a pub player at the EURO's.
It's like saying Martial had a great season for United this year, Messi won't be an automatic starter because of that.
These are defenders, not midfielders though. There are many examples of players who are good in their 30ies and many examples of players who decline after turning 30.
The most important thing is wehther Zidane wants him. If that's the case, then maybe, just maybe, you are making some mistake here.
Now that my team is out of the euros the whole thing is just a pain in the ass! I really want to get this deal wrapped up one way or the other and France ae holding that up
But you haven't answered why they would bid the required amount next year but not this year. Juve aren't suddenly going to lower their asking price.
You're confusing dreaming of going to Spain with preference of going to Spain.
Barca weren't prepared to meet his demands last year and didn't go back in for him this year. Madrid released a statement (!) last year saying they weren't in for him and aren't prepared to meet the asking price this summer.
How he and Raiola would think staying at Juve in the hope next year will be different is ridiculous quite frankly. Especially since Perez isn't a big fan of Pogba and there being a transfer ban in place.
@Treble
You're confusing dreaming of going to Spain with preference of going to Spain.
Barca weren't prepared to meet his demands last year and didn't go back in for him this year. Madrid released a statement (!) last year saying they weren't in for him and aren't prepared to meet the asking price this summer.
How he and Raiola would think staying at Juve in the hope next year will be different is ridiculous quite frankly. Especially since Perez isn't a big fan of Pogba and there being a transfer ban in place.
@Treble
Scholes, Pirlo, Xavi? Besides if Pogba goes to Real he won't compete with Modric but with Kroos. He's not a playmaker but box to box.
It's not only ZZ wanting him, there's also Real matching the asking price. Most often than not it's not Real's managers that "approve" those big name transfers but Perez, which is something you are forgetting.
I answerd it, read above. It makes perfect sense for them to wait another year also because they do not need him that much now, Modric and Iniesta are still good, next summer they will be 32-33 though and both clubs may need new players in midfield.
Madrid will be banned
Both could have signed for Champions League teams though.
Bianconeri would be crazy to turn that down.