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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?


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I'm seriously at the point of thinking that this is going to be yet another transfer saga that ends in absolute heart break. Perhaps even worse this time as we appear to have come so close and could yet fail again. I at times wonder how many more of these crushing sagas this community can take.

Yep.

The frustrating thing its it seems to only happen to us. Other big clubs seem to mediate big transfers relatively smoothly. With us its one perpetual cock-tease of a rollercoaster that often ends in heart break.

I hope this is resolved one way or another very soon, would rather just look forward to the new season instead of spamming my f5 key and praying.
 
I think people need just common sense and logic to see that there is a major obstacle for this transfer to happen even if Real and other teams give up on singing Pogba: it doesn't make much sense from his perspective to sign for United this summer. Juventus are in the CL and have (arguably) a better team than United. United are in EL and there is uncertainty about their future. Pogba can stay at Juve and see what happens next season. If everything's going well under Mourinho and if Real/Barca/Bayern do not want him next summer he may choose to return to United. Why do it now and play in Europa League? Does it make sense? Financially wise it may make sense but Juventus can sort of compensate it somehow.
 
Why though?

If these talks took place which they most likely have done, they involved Woodward and Raiola. Both these men leak stuff to the press all the time.

Leaking it in the press might serve several purposes. It prepares Juventus for the bid, and maybe flushes out interest from other clubs or has been the case with this one cooled Reals interest as they can't/won't compete with the fees being reported.

Because it could be a risk if everything goes wrong.

But as I said in my first post about it I understand that it happens.
 
Not sure how current this is, as I can't find the original article but bid rejected apparently:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/11/manchester-united-transfer-news-and-rumours-live/

If true, can't see us going much higher.

Not so sure about this. If Ed and Jose want him so desperately, they might be able to squeeze out a couple millions more from Utd.

Yeah what's 45k? Only 50% of what Juve is offering, peanuts.

Not peanuts, but not so much more for it to make it a no brainer based on the salary alone.
 
We have to be philosophical about this tragic situation. A helpful quote from Goethe's The Sorrows of Young Werther:

"Must it ever be thus, that the source of our happiness must also be the fountain of our misery? The full and ardent sentiment which animated my heart with the love of nature, overwhelming me with a torrent of delight, and which brought all paradise before me, has now become an insupportable torment, a demon which perpetually pursues and harrasses me. And on top of all that shit, we f*cked up the Pogba signing."
 
I at times wonder how many more of these crushing sagas this community can take.

I fully in trust in this community to be inexhaustable in this matter. The power of muppetry shall always prevail:lol:
 
If it's true that they've rejected a bid of fecking £112m, then we should probably move on. What's the alternative though?
 
If it's true that they've rejected a bid of fecking £112m, then we should probably move on. What's the alternative though?
Reminds me of that shop keep video with Ed buying chocolate.

If Juve don't sell, I only hope Jose tells Ed to forget it and we move on to another target right away.
 
I think people need just common sense and logic to see that there is a major obstacle for this transfer to happen even if Real and other teams give up on singing Pogba: it doesn't make much sense from his perspective to sign for United this summer. Juventus are in the CL and have (arguably) a better team than United. United are in EL and there is uncertainty about their future. Pogba can stay at Juve and see what happens next season. If everything's going well under Mourinho and if Real/Barca/Bayern do not him want next summer he may choose to return to United. Why do it now and play in Europa League? Does it make sense? Financially wise it may make sense but Juventus can sort of compensate it somehow.
Would you stay at a job an extra year, where you earn 70,000, just because you think your co-workers are excellent and you might get a nice bonus at the end of the year? Or do you move back to a place you are familiar with and earn over 300,000 a year?
 
Not sure how current this is, as I can't find the original article but bid rejected apparently:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/11/manchester-united-transfer-news-and-rumours-live/

If true, can't see us going much higher.

I've also searched for the Gazetta article but there's nothing. Only an article on the Raiola quotes and another where they say they believe United will move fast to get Pogba. They mention the 123m Euro figure but say it is from SkySports UK
 
Dodgy source posted, people commenting on it as if its real.
 
Not fully believing it frankly. He said something similar to play down our links with zlatan

Di Marzio has said that we have an agreement with everyone except juve and he seems to be pretty sure about it. He was similarly sure about zlatan and mourinho joining too. Hard to believe he will be completely off the mark
 
Title change should happen. I know Raiola might be talking shit, but I think what he says is more important than what Di Mazrio says.

what proof do we have that Raiola actually said this? Are we to believe everyone who puts things in quotes and claims they are really from the originator ?

Such an erratic and irrational lot here.

Bloody hysterical mess. Lets all Calm down and stop acting like a bunch of newly pubescent teenagers at a Justin Beiber concert. It will be concluded either way at some point and the Sun will still come up the next day.
 
Not sure how current this is, as I can't find the original article but bid rejected apparently:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/11/manchester-united-transfer-news-and-rumours-live/

If true, can't see us going much higher.

Feck me they rejected £112m (€132m) according to gazetto dello sport. Surely that will be our final offer for him ?

If Pogba isn't willing to force through a move, there isn't much he and Railo ca do if Juve rejects any amount for him. He would be a fool to renew his contract tough, unless ofcourse he gets a verbal agreement to join Real Madrid or Barcelona if they come knocking in the next seasons.

If this is true looks like it is over us. Juve really screwed us over big time.
 
Why are people taking every single bit of speculation as gospel? GdS reporting it is hardly official confirmation. It's a garbage source.
 
100M for Pogba is a bit much, at best, he is a 50/60M player.
Spent it on three quality players at 33M each.

If you want to support a team full of ~£30m players then may I suggest you head over to RAWK?

£30m gets you nothing these days, if you want to win the league, you need to spend a bit more than that
 
No word from Kicko Cornetto della Mitri.
 
what proof do we have that Raiola actually said this? Are we to believe everyone who puts things in quotes and claims they are really from the originator ?

Such an erratic and irrational lot here.

Bloody hysterical mess. Lets all Calm down and stop acting like a bunch of newly pubescent teenagers at a Justin Beiber concert. It will be concluded either way at some point and the Sun will still come up the next day.

Seriously calling me erratic and irrational? For that? Hilarious. Jog on.

I tend to believe The Times when they make quotes. I can't see them plucking them out of a toilet.
 
Even a cursory search would have revealed it to be one of the biggest sports papers in Italy and Europe.
That doesnt bode well does it? What levels of reliability are they on, the Sun or the Telegraph?
 
Nainggolan is your typical box-to-box with an enormous stamina and a great shot on him. He has decent passing skills for a player of his role but he is much further away from controlling the game than Pogba. Same applies for Kante, who covers a ridiculous amount of ground with his endless running but his actual passing skills are very limited, he wins the ball back and passes it short to someone more creative.

Don't get me wrong, I get your criticism about Pogba not being able to orchestrate the game, he is much closer to Gerrard than Scholes in that regard, but you picked awful examples (bar Verratti) to illustrate your point, imo

I guess we will have to disagree, Am pretty sure I remember seeing Naingolan control a game for Belgium and Roma. I believe Kanté can be deployed to the same effect and will be when he switches to a team that bosses the ball a bit more (because of his technique/capacity to give himself space to distribute in midfield).

But I've never seen Pogba control any game, nor do I see the type of movement that would allow him time and space to dominate the midfield. So I'm a bit baffled in your conviction that he is/will be better at controlling a game. Every time I see him play deep, I feel like he doesn't even want to be there orchestrating the play but rather running on to a pass into the final third to make things happen.

Curious to know what you thought of his recent tournament, I thought he was rather average to poor throughout with a few moments of creativity when allowed to play closer to the opposition area.

The review in L'Equipe (if you fancy yourself some french or handy with google translate), I believe is spot-on regarding his performance at the Euros where he was not deployed in his prefered position. (tip of the triangle or a free role between midfield and attack).

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Les-notes-du-match-pogba-la-deception/705431
The phrase that summed it up for me, concerning UTD fans is the following :

"Le milieu de la Juventus vaut peut-être cent millions, comme le répète son agent, Mino Raiola, mais le club qui les alignera – Manchester United ? – n’aura, à ce jour, aucune garantie sportive de retour sur investissement." (I will deliberately not translate it, because I'm not looking to stir the pot, and believe that Mou will make good use of him should he return to UTD. But that statement hits home for me)


At Juve, Pirlo and Vidal did the controlling when they were at their best. And his attempt with the national team was rather disapointing. So latent talent aside, where have you seen him control a game?
 
Would you stay at a job an extra year, where you earn 70,000, just because you think your co-workers are excellent and you might get a nice bonus at the end of the year? Or do you move back to a place you are familiar with and earn over 300,000 a year?

This is very simplistic. Pogba earns much higher than this after tax and he wouldn't earn 200k a week after tax at United. Besides, he will get huge wages when he moves to another club, 1 year won't make a dramatic difference financially but could make quite a difference from a footballing perspective. Football is not only about money, it is also about glory, tropheys, etc. If he believes that he is ready for Real, a move to a United team playing in EL would be a tad disappointing. Common sense that.
 
If you want to support a team full of ~£30m players then may I suggest you head over to RAWK?

£30m gets you nothing these days, if you want to win the league, you need to spend a bit more than that

Yeah. Ask Leicester.
 
Everyone should relax.

If we get Pogba, then great. If not, we'll sign another quality player. If we're willing to spend £100m on a player who walked out on us for nothing just four years ago, that says we've got the money to buy the best in the world.

With Mourinho in charge we can be certain United will be ruthless and can attract star players. This isn't like Moyes or LVG where we doubted their ability to lure big names to the club.

Whatever happens we'll have a quality new midfielder at Old Trafford in August.
 
Not so sure about this. If Ed and Jose want him so desperately, they might be able to squeeze out a couple millions more from Utd.



Not peanuts, but not so much more for it to make it a no brainer based on the salary alone.
How can 50% more of what Juve is paying not be considered a lot?
 
Yeah. Ask Leicester.

Do you suggest we sign a load of £500k players instead and hope for a miracle? Face it Leicester was an anomaly and it will not be repeated, and should not be used as any measure of how to conduct transfer dealings for a team with title aspirations.