By laying off the ball to his next player in the box. When everything is focused around one player, it is easier for that particular player to shine, even if he's allowed to waste all the freekicks, when there are clearly better options in the squad.
Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)
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By laying off the ball to his next player in the box. When everything is focused around one player, it is easier for that particular player to shine, even if he's allowed to waste all the freekicks, when there are clearly better options in the squad.
Wanted France to win, but it's nice to see that he's won a Euro. Despite his medicore tournament, he's deserved this for the career he's had.
Greatest European Player of all time. His career achievements looks great.
Greatest European Player of all time. His career achievements looks great.
They add up. I agree with your numbers for his time at Barcelona but there's no way I can agree with just 4-5 world class seasons for Ajax.
By highly influential, I mean to carry the team, to orchestrate it, to define it. If I apply your logic, my Müller-Beckenbauer example wouldn't hold up to reality.
All Ronaldo's goals are tap-ins and all his assists are easy passes 
The lengths some will go to to discredit his contributions on (and in yesterday's case, off) the pitch...
The lengths some will go to to discredit his contributions on (and in yesterday's case, off) the pitch...
All Ronaldo's goals are tap-ins and all his assists are easy passes
The lengths some will go to to discredit his contributions on (and in yesterday's case, off) the pitch...
I don't discredit contributions, I merely disagree on his evaluation as the best european player in history. Subtle, but important difference
Nope we have given you clear evidence that ronaldo not only scores alot but has also the 4th most assists in europe over a 5 year period yet you still argue that it is because everything is focused on him. Isn't that also the reason messi has soo many goals and assists?
Messi initiates a lot more than Ronaldo does. That's the reason why he's even on this forum regarded as the better player by a majority.
Because Messi is a playmaker? Maybe you don't see the difference in their playing style/positions but there is.
Yes because that is messi's game but ronaldo is still one of the most creative players around so isnt a "one dimensional player" like you said.
Great player and a great team performance without him to allow him to deservedly add an international trophy to his personal collection. Happy for him.
I dont pay too much credence to the 'majority', espceially on an internet forum poll. Messi is much more likable than Ronaldo, that is a fact. It's a very close race so in the end it becomes a popularity contest. I look at achievements and performances, and I think Argentina is by far superior to Portugal, and there is no excuse for Messi not to have won a major trophy on the world stage before him.
I do see the difference. As a matter of fact, it is exactly that difference why I don't think he'll be commonly regarded as the best european player in history.
If that player scores 33 goals for 2 CL titles and wins the Euros with a non-big team, what's the problem? Why have Bayern not won more CL titles, given that their game isn't focused around 1 player?
Everything is focused around Ronaldo because he helps his team win big tropheys. It's that simple.
Are you 3 years old? or just start watching football this year?
I don't have a dispute with you on that one. I just don't think it's enough to crown him the best european player ever. And yes, he did win the Euros with Portugal, but we all know a) they had an easy draw into the final, and b) he wasn't a factor in said final.
Not everyone can gree upon that. You might disagree, just like I know brazilians that think Ronaldinho > Messi or Ronaldo. Some people will just have different opinions.
However, the majority will agree he was Europes finest 5-10 years from now.
No, I watch football since 1982, a long enough time-span to have seen a lot of worldclass players...
No disagreement on this one.
Then why are you saying Ronaldo is only a one-dimensional finisher? He clearly isn't one over his career, if you have watched football for that long. Its just like saying Messi is a one-trick pony and Maradona only play well in one WC, kind of total ignorance of many other things they does.
I think that's a shame that belief is out there and IMHO is almost entirely media driven. If you actually read what his teammates have to say about him it's rare to find anyone who actually has a bad word about him.
Likeable? Seriously? I have no problem calling him the best player in the world but how on earth can anyone call him likeable in any way after he's been convicted of tax evasion? I don't get it..
I was actually trying to take the high road by saying that Ronaldo has often been unfairly treated by the media rather than castigate Messi. Tbh, I like your version better - Messi can often be a nasty piece of work.
I call Messi the greatest player to ever play the game without hesitation but he comes across as a petulant little shit that's had everything revolve around him his whole life and he masks it for his public image by dripping in false modesty.
This is the sad part of agenda driven media bollocks, every story needs a bad guy to mirror the good guy. Now when Messi fecked up his reputation then the media needs to change their tune. Suddenly the evil is the new God.
I have always admired Cristiano since his first season with us. Great character even at young age, a boy to be proud of. His carrer is fantastic, extremely high lowest level, always at his best when it matters most.
I don't want to compare him with other great players but I agree that he is probabaly Europes best player ever if we just look at stats. Every supporter have his favorite. I'm old enough to remember Pelé and saw him on television 1970, at that time he was the best ever. Then it was Maradona. With him followed all the circus outside the pitch but when he was at his best he was just WOW. Never ever seen anything close to him regarding creating magic out of nothing. Messi is also fantastic but he don't have the aura and the "magic" around his persona. He's more like robot.
Ronaldo came to United as a young boy. I still remember the day when we met Sporting and the buzz afterwards. You just new we got a gem in our hands.
I'm so happy to have witness his journey. First with us the with Real. When he wins the EC with his country I can honestly say I think he deserves everything. He gave his all an I'm happy it paid off.
Well, the hypothesis was that Ronaldo would be regarded as the best european player in history. Within that context, I said his game is too one-dimensional(as in comparison to players like Cruyff or Beckenbauer)
In his earlier days he was more of a Robben type of player, later on he became pretty much a CF. His main trait was always his finishing, though. That makes him depend more on his teammates to set him up so he can shine.
Someone like Maradona could control the game in its entirety, make his teammates shine *and* dribble out 7 opponents across the pitch before scoring.
It's not ignorance to see such differences, and hence come to a different judgment. I'm not discrediting Ronaldo, he's amazing at what he does. But *best ever* is quite the bar...
You are comparing a playmaker with a forward, they are 2 completely different roles in the game. Fair if you rate Cruyff and Beckenbauer higher, I have no problem with that, as they are all best player of their era. But to label Ronaldo as merely a one-dimensional finisher and not being worthy to be regarded as the best (or one of the best) european player in history is just total ignorance of all the other amazing things he does over his career.
The topic was *commonly regarded as the best*. There is not much leeway in that, and it doesn't require "ignorance" to disagree here.
Well deserved win as he has great overall record in the Euros - winner, runner up, losing a semi final on penalties to one of the great international teams, as well as the most appearances and goals. It's much harder for a player from a small country to gain international success and he has now done it.
What an incredible season he has had!
That's incredible!
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I'm still just as happy that his team won it 
FFS, media
Viva!
Good to have this in the arsenal for the Ballon d'Or PR job Mendes, do your thing!He is a fraud. Apparently, the judge also fell for it and that's why he didn't send him directly to jail for tax fraud.
Lads, this might be our chance to "touch down" on Viva
(Or is that taking it too far?)
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