Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Marching said:
Due to Corbyn being unable to fill all the shadow positions he's abandoned some positions completely and our friend Mr Burgon has two jobs....he's shadow Lord Chancellor too.
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And that's just the cabinet, about half the front bench remains empty I believe.
 
Shamwow said:
You'll get your chance at that in the next Labour Leadership election. Feel free to vote for a strong centre-left candidate. I suggest Owen Smith, he knows how to tell people what they want. If he wins I'll respect his mandate. It's how things are meant to work. You lose an election, you don't have to like it but you respect the result until the next one.
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What do you suggest Corbyn does about forming a shadow cabinet without enough MPs backing him? It's still ludicrous he didn't resign after the vote of no confidence. It's like trying to be a football manager with some vocal fans behind you, but no players.
 
On the voting issue - just received this from Momentum.

Yesterday we won a huge victory for democracy. Labour's National Executive Committee (NEC) decided that Jeremy Corbyn would be on the ballot paper automatically for the leadership election.

However, the NEC did also made some rulings that could impact on your ability to vote in this crucial election.

There is still a degree of confusion and we are trying to seek greater clarity, which we’ll tell you as soon as possible. Here is what we do know:

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If you were a registered supporter last year:

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As it stands, there are two ways you can obtain a vote if you’ve been disenfranchised by the NEC's decision.

1. Join as an affiliate supporter before 8 August (likely to be the cheaper option)

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MikeUpNorth said:
What do you suggest Corbyn does about forming a shadow cabinet without enough MPs backing him? It's still ludicrous he didn't resign after the vote of no confidence. It's like trying to be a football manager with some vocal fans behind you, but no players.
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I'd suggest the MPs do their job for the party. Some have already said they will respect the result of the leadership election, as they should.

It's not like being a football manager. The "fans" in this case are players too, don't forget that. The MPs have.
 
I read that Max Mosley who helped fund Tom Watson's deputy leader campaign recently donated £200,000 to Watson. He only gave him £40,000 for the deputy leadership run so this new donation might be for something bigger...
 
MikeUpNorth said:
What do you suggest Corbyn does about forming a shadow cabinet without enough MPs backing him? It's still ludicrous he didn't resign after the vote of no confidence. It's like trying to be a football manager with some vocal fans behind you, but no players.
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Next week it's looking like we'll be treated to the leader voting against official Labour party (and union) policy. Which is nice.
 
Ubik said:
Next week it's looking like we'll be treated to the leader voting against official Labour party (and union) policy. Which is nice.
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Better have a secret ballot in case people get upset
 
Honest John said:
Compared to tax and spend - then when you can't tax enough lest you get voted out, borrow the difference.
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when we retrain people who lost jobs in industries that no longer exist for service jobs, it will help people get employed which inturn will grow the economy. Initially there will be higher spending but it will only be short term.
 
Ubik said:
Yes, it's hilarious people are getting rape threats.
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Trident is an emotive issue that would surely cause threats from the unstable no?

Im not sure why you think im joking, dont you care about their safety now? I must be missing some obvious context
 
Smores said:
Trident is an emotive issue that would surely cause threats from the unstable no?

Im not sure why you think im joking, dont you care about their safety now? I must be missing some obvious context
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Wow! Sounds like you are trying to justify rape threats with Trident!
 
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Classical Mechanic said:
Wow! Sounds like you are trying to justify rape threats with Trident!
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Seriously no white text? I find that very offensive.

My point was clear, if Labour MPs needed a secret ballot because they feared backlash because of the Corbyn ballot vote then on an issue such as trident which is much more militant then they need it doubly so.

But yeah im "justifying rape" :wenger:
 
Smores said:
Seriously no white text? I find that very offensive.

My point was clear, if Labour MPs needed a secret ballot because they feared backlash because of the Corbyn ballot vote then on an issue such as trident which is much more militant then they need it doubly so.

But yeah im "justifying rape" :wenger:
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Yeah sorry. I wasn't clear on your point. Although I perceive it to be wrong. The secret ballot can be justified because of the recent rise in threats and the brick attack which happened on the morning of the meeting. It is understandable that people felt under threat. How would you feel if someone targeted you with a brick at work?
 
Someone apparently did an arson attack on Corbyn's office last night.
 
Shamwow said:
Dunno I can't either just what someone told me.
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It seems to come from this place which seems reputable but it does seem odd that there's only one source and no other news outlet has picked it up
 
Oh god I listened to Angela Eagle on Victoria Derbyshire she's terrible when she's not complaining about something.
 
Just in case anyone's signing up for a union in order to vote in the contest -

 
I'm sure they'd have stopped people from signing up to vote if they'd been doing so against Corbyn.:lol:
 
I like Owen Smith, to be honest.I think he could be a very good leader. Wouldn't mind seeing him get the job at all.
 
Shamwow said:
What do you think of his background?
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I like the fact that he retains centre left policies, some very similar to those of Corybn, and also appears media savvy; potentially better quipped to face the inevitable media onslaught. I'll wait for the leadership debates before I form a solid opinion (and Corbyn has my support as of this moment), but I'm open to a new leader if someone competent and bipartisan enough presents him or herself.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
I like the fact that he retains centre left policies, some very similar to those of Corybn, and also appears media savvy; potentially better quipped to face the inevitable media onslaught. I'll wait for the leadership debates before I form a solid opinion (and Corbyn has my support as of this moment), but I'm open to a new leader if someone competent and bipartisan enough presents him or herself.
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What do you think of his background though? He seems shifty as feck to me.
 
Shamwow said:
What do you think of his background though? He seems shifty as feck to me.
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He is shifty as feck. There's nothing wrong with the idea of a decent, viable Labour candidate to replace Corbyn. The problem is that there isn't one at the moment...and if Eagle or Smith are the best Corbyn's opponents have to offer, I don't exactly know what it is they're expecting to achieve.
 
Is there anything on his past from a credible journalist? By that I mean one that doesn't use the term "red Tory" in their writing.
 
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