Since when is "squawka" a source?
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I think its more down to relationship between Jose and Raiola
Are Squawka supposed to be ITK?
They don't source their information. "Sources close to the deal". Whose sources ? Squakas ? A complete joke.
It's GroundPog Day......
no idea, it's quite bizarre. Most of their "news" has been player analysis after the transfer has happened. Yet they are running this as an exclusive.
A transfer of a player is nothing like any other deal. Between the clubs the only thing that needs to be agreed is the Transfer Fee, payment terms and any sell-on terms. The other terms that you mentioned would have to be agreed with the player himself and would not form part of any discussion with the selling club.
In Pogba's case, it seems we have an in-principle agreement with Pogba/his agent regarding the terms of his contract. The only thing remaining is agreeing a fee with Juventus for transferring his registration to us. It really is a matter of agreeing on a fee Juventus and any sell on clauses.
Unless they are using that "reliable" goal italy journo as their source and just over-hyping their article, as he's reporting the same thing.
That's only a tiny fraction of it. Internet hits, poster views, sponsor adds etc. The list is endless/as long as the imagination of our commercial department which by all accounts is bloody good!
He's a top class soon to be world class player and he's easier to get because he's not at a top paying, top league club. This deal is a no brainer in my view, even for £100m plus. We have the cash and if we can't get Neymar/Bale/Messi (not for a lack of trying if you believe the reports) then Pogba is the one to kickstart a new era at the club. His value should also only go up given that he's 23 and should still improve quite a lot.
edit: I also have complete confidence that Pogba will not do a Fellaini. He's the least likely player available to do a Fellaini.
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I'll actually enjoy using Utd on FIFA head-to-head seasons again if Poggy joins!
That's the most important thing about all of this.
That's the most important thing about all of this.
Well it didn't work out the way we hoped but at the time it was a massive signing to rival the Pogba one in scale.
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They are good signings but not a huge signing like this would be
Good point
I was talking about the overall pipeline of a deal from being generated to being completed.
We don't know what stage United are at with Juventus, we don't know if any of these other steps have already been agreed because nothing factual has come out, everybody is speculating and relying on other sources.
The original poster I quoted said this fee can be settled within a 30 second conversation. All i'm saying is that's an unrealistic expectation because each figure quoted will have implications for the selling club, buying club, player, agent, plus any other representatives working on the deal for each party.
Ah, my bad didn't know. apologies
It's surreal really. From having Rooney in midfield supported by Lindgard/Mata/Depay and brilliant but young duo of Martial and Rashford. We will lineup with Zlatan fu.cking Ibrahimovic, Paul fu.cking Pogba and Henrik fu.cking Mkhitaryan and Anthony Fu.cking Martial I also think Martial will prosper in this environment. Not every attack will be on his shoulders, teams will not be able to double/tripple team him as there will be other dangerous players on the field. And I think he will wreak havoc from the left.
After this post I have only one post left for today and I'm saving it in case Pogba signs for some wank joke.
I also think Martial will prosper in this environment. Not every attack will be on his shoulders, teams will not be able to double/tripple team him as there will be other dangerous players on the field. And I think he will wreak havoc from the left.After this post I have only one post left for today and I'm saving it in case Pogba signs for some wank joke.
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Forgot about that, we're gunna be class on FIFA 17 with or without Pogba.
Valencia/Smalling/Bailly/Shaw will be the fastest defence on the game probably. Always helpful on FIFA.
Pogba is the perfect FIFA CM and I always play well with Basti for some reason.
Zlatan is overpowered as feck and Mkhi and Martial will have got big stats boosts after their season.
Dave in net.
It's surreal really. From having Rooney in midfield supported by Lindgard/Mata/Depay and brilliant but young duo of Martial and Rashford. We will lineup with Zlatan fu.cking Ibrahimovic, Paul fu.cking Pogba and Henrik fu.cking Mkhitaryan and Anthony Fu.cking Martial
We're building team in the league, which along with one of the world's best managers, will be quite a sight to behold next year.
Of course I know what he's accomplished. He is still the best manager ever for me. But even the most adoring fan, has to admit SAF dropped the ball with Pogba.
Never did I say that this negates SAF's work. Just it is a blot on his work.
Any relation of Eddie?
On a scale from 'Sanchester United' to 'Done Dealio' how certain is this to happen now?
I can understand a lot of poster's opinions regarding the worth of Pogba. I disagree however with those claiming it's 'stupid to argue what he's worth as it's whatever a club is willing to pay etc'... I think a lot of the concerns are that he's not worth it in relation to the ability of other players available in his position for less money.
I don't personally think he's good enough relative to other players to justify the premium, but I think he's got the potential to be the greatest midfielder of his generation. More importantly I think this puts us back 'on top' as a club. He's a player who generates massive interest, and most clubs would love to have him, they simply can't afford the fee. We'll be the club that broke the transfer record, not Madrid for once.
Also a yer ago I wouldn't have wanted Jose anywhere near our club, but if we're honest we would likely have not got Zlatan, maybe not Henrik, and certainly not Pogba with any other available manager. Between Jose, and what we're willing to pay for Pogba it feels like we're sitting at the top table again in terms of attracting talent and fans to our club.
I don't personally think he's good enough relative to other players to justify the premium, but I think he's got the potential to be the greatest midfielder of his generation. More importantly I think this puts us back 'on top' as a club. He's a player who generates massive interest, and most clubs would love to have him, they simply can't afford the fee. We'll be the club that broke the transfer record, not Madrid for once.
Also a yer ago I wouldn't have wanted Jose anywhere near our club, but if we're honest we would likely have not got Zlatan, maybe not Henrik, and certainly not Pogba with any other available manager. Between Jose, and what we're willing to pay for Pogba it feels like we're sitting at the top table again in terms of attracting talent and fans to our club.
Cum on!
Is there a difference between an official 100m bid and an unofficial 100m?
SAF did drop the ball with Pogba, BUT without SAF we wouldn't even be in the position to spend 100mil on him or any player. The club wouldn't be what it is today without SAF.
I don't think he's worth 100 million from a playing perspective but people have to look outside of that. The potential money we will be earning from sponsorship deals will be mega on the back of this. He'll be the most expensive player ever and deals will be done solely because of that (not to mention Pogba being one of the best young players in the planet also brings in a lot of sponsorship (and shirt sales).
And on the pitch, he has plenty of time to improve and win us titles, that by the end of his stay here, I think he will have more than justified his price tag.
If it doesn't actually happen now it's going to be a let-down of titanic proportions...
No player is worth £100M but if he signs, stays for a good few years, helps put United back at the top of the pile, it will be money well spent.
No player is worth £100M but if he signs, stays for a good few years, helps put United back at the top of the pile, it will be money well spent.
90% Pogability.
I agree. But there are two different deals to be agreed to by United. One is with Juventus for transfer of Pogba's registration and the second one is with Pogba. All I am saying is, in this case with the way things have moved during the summer, we wouldn't be negotiating with Juventus unless we have an in-principle agreement with Raiola for Pogba's contract. It just doesn't seem likely that we do not have any understanding with Raiola, before approaching Juventus.
Like Zlatan he will bring a large fan base with him. He's young, flashy, has all the talent in the world and seems like a nice guy, lots of young kids will look up to him. I wouldn't be surprised if the club held a meeting with our sponsors and they all gave the green light for this deal.
Backing off the "big stain" and "huge shadow" comments now are you?
It's at most a minor negative, though who knows had we kept him, it might be us he is looking to leave right now.
It's closer to done dealio. If we just look at the reliable journos and the almost briefing level of consistency in all the italian papers. It has to be extremely close.
What the hell
It was a bit tounge-in-cheek. I get that all the paperwork etc takes time, but the meeting itself between the clubs to negotiate the price shouldn't take more than a couple of days.
Hope I didn't ruin your day with my post.
To be fair you initially said that it shouldn't take more than an hour, which is pretty ridiculous.
I don't get people who are arguing about the time of the negotions and are ridiculing those that say it should happen fast with green smileys and FM references.
100 million or not, the deal can be wrapped up in a day or two. It truly at this point shouldn't take that long. Clubs always finish deals on deadline day.
100 million or not, the deal can be wrapped up in a day or two. It truly at this point shouldn't take that long. Clubs always finish deals on deadline day.
It's a huge deal, of course it's going to take more than a couple of days. Every million is important here for both sides. Payment condition, installments - it will all have to be adjusted to both clubs needs.
Many of you keep talking up Pogba's immense marketability, which makes him way more valuable than he otherwise would have been. But what is this based on? What makes him so marketable? I'm not the best judge, but I don't think he's all that great looking...
To be fair I think he got a fair bit of credit for both ADM and Falcao. Although I would agree this signing is far more of a coup and demonstration of his negotiating or 'deal-making' skills. Let's hope as well this one works out better than the previous two!
I don't know if you realised, but he'll pay for his transfer fee simply in shirt sales.
Take the bait, lads...