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Mark Hughes, fwiw.
Mark Hughes, fwiw.
29 year old Porsche + 29 year old Mercedes or a 23 year old Ferrari.
I agree, but I don't know forum rules on what posts get deleted. There was one in this thread the other day from a United fan who made a racist post regarding Pogba (the plane tweet). However that wasn't deleted so I'm assuming forums view deleting member's posts as censhorship? If it were up to me they would be deleted.
Back on topic, what shirt number do you think he will take when he arrives?
Exactly this !!!
The guys over there became increasingly arrogant and overconfident about this entire Pogba saga that they convinced themselves we(over here at the Caf) were clowns deluding ourselves and clutching at straw about Pogba coming back. Even entertaining such thoughts would earn you the label of delusional at that place.
The last 24 hours or so, they've come to such a brutal and sudden realization that they've turned nasty and some are still in complete denial
The sad part is he will be under a lot of pressure because of this fee. Unless he starts performing Ronaldo/Messi/Suarez level people will get on his back.
Exactly this !!!
The guys over there became increasingly arrogant and overconfident about this entire Pogba saga that they convinced themselves we(over here at the Caf) were clowns deluding ourselves and clutching at straw about Pogba coming back. Even entertaining such thoughts would earn you the label of delusional at that place.
The last 24 hours or so, they've come to such a brutal and sudden realization that they've turned nasty and some are still in complete denial
Can't understand why they are so bitter, they got him on a free and now will receive more than €100 million for him. Were Spurs fans this bitter when Madrid bought Bale?
In regards to the team - Mahrez, well he's had one good season but, would he add that much to a team that already has Martial / Mkhitaryan out wide with Zlatan up top? Even moving Mkhitaryan in the middle means moving Rooney out, which isn't going to happen. With what we already have, Mahrez is no longer that much of a value add at 40m+ and wages.
Same goes for Bonnuci - for 50m, is he that much of an upgrade to 2 strong CM in Smalling/Bailey and coming to the Premier League not knowing how he may or may not perform?
Matuidi - again, how much of an addition is he say compared to a Herrera?
Maybe for the 3 combined players you might get a bit more out of them on the pitch, maybe. But, with everything else - a top young CM who is marketable, who lifts the players around him and the fans, that other teams will be out there adjusting for him, his age and his ceiling - on top of already being a player that probably will walk into any team in the world - there is a lot more the club will get out of him in the long run. And this value in the market is what got us into a situation of having to try and buy our way out after Fergie - trying to get more bang for the buck rather than splunking for the best possible player in a given position.
The mind boggles. If we want Mahrez, we can buy him on top of it anyway.
If it happens on my birthday, i am going to put his name on my next home kit.
No new updates yet, Woody needs to speed things up if he wants to seal this before the City game in China (which he is supposedly going to).
How is that true? If a player delivers the goods nobody goes on about the fee. Is Bale worth £5m more than Ronaldo? No, but he delivers the goods so the fee becomes irrelevant. Was Martial worth £50m in his first year? No, but he was good enough for people to understand the fee. If Pogba plays well this season people will understand the fee - with all those years ahead of him. He doesn't need to perform at Messi's level instantly. The only players who have been slammed for their fee is because they were shite..Torres, Carrol etc.
I can't think of any example of somebody who has played well for a club but still gets stick because of the enormous price tag. They get stick because of their performance and expectations exist based on their footballing ability for previous teams, not how much they were signed for. Pogba just needs to play well and the fee will become irrelevant, we are just buying a top player...we are buying immense potential. Nobody will get on his back if he isn't the best midfielder in the world for us.
Kroos has scored 3 goals for you in two seasons.I can't stop laughing. I guess you're being sarcastic?
Or you're downplaying the best CM's in the world when comparing them to a 23 year old player who is coming from a midfield heavy team that is light years ahead of everyone else in their league, and then you go on to call him incisive.
Oh, and btw, midfield maestro, that's not Pogba. He's box to box. Kroos, Modric, Iniesta, the ones you're downplaying are a definition of midfield maestro's. If you wanted a young "midfield maestro", there's a guy playing in PSG, but they say he's not for sale.
Modric has 7 goals in 4 season at Madrid.
Ramos has more career goals than Iniesta.
Terry has more career goals than Iniesta and Busquests combined.
If you want a goal threat, somebody to supplement the attacker then these players are not for you.
Playing behind a dominant front 3 that protect your flaws? Someone there to control the centre of the field? Why yes sign those players.
There are different types of midfielders for different modes of play.
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Zero chance Pogba travels to China.
I am gobsmacked this transfer might actually happen. Don't even know what to say about the pricetag. I hope he's worth it.
Because football fans today are obsessed with transfer fees. They spend all week playing Football Manager and are experts on the matter.
Pogba's fee will be mentioned every day, every where, for the next season or so.
I thought Pogba was on holiday until the 7th?
Bale has been delivering the goods so people are off his back for now but just wait for the second he goes out of form.
Even before he played a game everyone talked about how big of a flop he would be.
My point is that it is unfortunate. The money and fees are purely business and shouldn't be used a stick to beat players with. Fellaini has suffered the same fate. Because of his fee people compared him to Fabregas or other players around that apparantly you could get for that fee.
If we do sign him, I hope we sign him for 6 years and put a 400M pounds release clause in. Just in case Madrid still have ideas.
I think it also has something to do with most of them(as far as what I see from that forum) genuinely believing they are a bigger club than us. And some of their reasoning is that we've missed a couple of CL in the past few years(as if not all big teams be it Real, Barca, Bayern, Juventus themselves haven't been through some sort of rough patches for a few years and always manage to bounce back dominating again mostly due to vast financial resources which we still have in spade)
If Pogba starts bossing the midfield with United high up in the league, they will soon pipe down. Who cares what other fans say about the fee if he is playing well?
Posters doing some FM maths and saying we can get Mahrez and Bonucci for the same price are clearly missing the point.
A creative midfield type is the number one gap we need filling, and Pogba is probably the best attainable player in the world that can fill it. Its pretty rational business.
A creative midfield type is the number one gap we need filling, and Pogba is probably the best attainable player in the world that can fill it. Its pretty rational business.
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I didn't meant that if you never visited the place you can't be a supporter. However the way they are reacting to this is not Juventus way. You see every big club with some history behind tend to have an ideology. Manchester United tend to like develop kids, Real and Inter like to buy ready made products etc. Juventus also have an ideology and that is to be get unknown talent, develop them into stars and then sell them to a massive profit only for the cycle to repeat again. They aren't a selling club. I mean they don't need to do that to balance the books or anything. They do it because they are ruthless and they are so confident in their club's structure (which tbf is great) that they can sell almost anyone and bring an equally good cheaper replacement.
What Juventus are doing at the moment is so Juventus. Its comparable to us giving a chance to Rashford or Real buying Bale and Ronaldo. So yeah, having them acting the way they do surely show that they have absolutely no idea of the club they supporting. Its like a random United supporter comes here and say that we should buy Neymar, Lewandowski and Icardi to make sure that Rashford doesn't make it. Yes its that crazy
Whoever is buying Kroos from Madrid will be the one paying 90% of Pogba fee, you might as well bid Pogba instead. Honestly guys, you all need to stop the idea that 100M will get you 3 top tier players.
What was funny about his post?I can't stop laughing. I guess you're being sarcastic?
Or you're downplaying the best CM's in the world when comparing them to a 23 year old player who is coming from a midfield heavy team that is light years ahead of everyone else in their league, and then you go on to call him incisive.
Oh, and btw, midfield maestro, that's not Pogba. He's box to box. Kroos, Modric, Iniesta, the ones you're downplaying are a definition of midfield maestro's. If you wanted a young "midfield maestro", there's a guy playing in PSG, but they say he's not for sale.
You're also clearly and bitterly downplaying Pogba, but I suppose it's okay for you to do it? Many on here agree that Modric and Kroos are perhaps above Pogba, but they also note that Pogba's ceiling is astonishingly high. The three players you listed will go down as among the best midfielders their respective countries have ever produced. If Pogba compares unfavourably to Iniesta, Modric and Kroos, it's hardly an indictment on his ability (I won't even mention the age gap, and the fact that Pogba's ceiling as arguably above all of them...). The same sentiment applies in regards to Verratti: they are the two best young midfielders in the world, by a considerable distance.
In relation to the marketing side of it, Pogba was Juve's biggest shirt seller.
The RAWK is strong in this one...
Wow!! This is really happening!! Italian, English, Spanish papers all reporting it.
I don't agree with the price. But who can say "NO" to this:
--------------------- Big Dave ----------------------
Valencia ------ Bailey ---------- Smalling ---- Shaw
---------------- Carrick -------- Pogba --------------
MKhitaryan ----------- Rooney ---------------- Martial
------------------------ Zlatan -------------------------
Bench:
Herrera
Lingard
Schneiderlin
Bastian
Young
Fellaini
Blind
That is a champions league winning team, and we are not even in the champions league.
PS
Please DO NOT say Carrick shouldn't be in there. Carrick is one of our midfield general. Look at the amount of games we lost over the years without Carrick in midfield. I'm sure Mourinho would agree.
I don't agree with the price. But who can say "NO" to this:
--------------------- Big Dave ----------------------
Valencia ------ Bailey ---------- Smalling ---- Shaw
---------------- Carrick -------- Pogba --------------
MKhitaryan ----------- Rooney ---------------- Martial
------------------------ Zlatan -------------------------
Bench:
Herrera
Lingard
Schneiderlin
Bastian
Young
Fellaini
Blind
That is a champions league winning team, and we are not even in the champions league.
PS
Please DO NOT say Carrick shouldn't be in there. Carrick is one of our midfield general. Look at the amount of games we lost over the years without Carrick in midfield. I'm sure Mourinho would agree.
Carrick shouldn't be in there.
This. Do people honestly believe that if we bid even £80m for Kroos that Madrid would accept? Never mind the fact he wouldn't want to come anyway.
These same Utd fans losing their sh*t over Pogba's fee are probably the same guys who freak out everytime we don't sign a marquee player.
You can't win with them.
You can't win with them.
I'm not sure on the great Juventus club structure, the are €188m in debt which in itself isn't a bad thing but over the last 2 seasons they have operating profit of +€3m and minus $7m euros without spending huge on transfers. I might be missing something but i think they do need the money from transfers but i wouldn't go as far to say they are a selling club, they just operate in a smart way which is easier when your home league is less competitive and you can afford to bring younger players through more often.
Carrick shouldn't be in there.
WHAT, no Rashford and TFM in the squad? How many midfielders do you need on the bench? Glad you're not the manager
They just built a stadium. I think they are the only Italian club who have a stadium of their own. They receive near zero financial help from their owners so the debts can be justified because of that.
Regarding fees, well you're probably right. At this point they may have to sell. However common sense say that it would be a better idea for them to sell Bonucci for 40-50m then Pogba
This, that's an awful subs bench. There's not even a substitute keeper but there's 4 centre mids?
Sorry, not Pogba, Woody. Surely the deal would need to be done before he joins us in China?
It's Valencia at RB I'm opposed to never mind Carrick