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Because he's been an MP for 33 years and a councillor for a further 8.You think so? What makes you say that?
Because he's been an MP for 33 years and a councillor for a further 8.You think so? What makes you say that?
I'm rooting for Corbyn, the career politicians in the Labour party have really been exposed by recent events. Never mind standing up for your values and what you believe in, better to just say anything to try and become electable. That's the Blairite way.
You vote for him to be pm in 2020. Job done. Wolfy Smiff
Because he's been an MP for 33 years and a councillor for a further 8.
He didn't do it for cabinet jobs, no. He's certainly used it to heighten his profile when he goes on his protests, and to get paid by the Iranian state for appearances on their network.In that sense clearly, but the term is usually reserved for people who get into politics because it's a good career, rather than an overwhelming desire to shape the future of your country. I disagree with much of Corbyn's suggested policies, but I don't think for one minute he is in this for the money and the prestige. For one thing, his expense claims have been markedly different to the shameless lot that milked the system for all its worth.
Jeremy Corbyn claimed a total of £14,021.26. Owen Smith claimed £46,709.11.In that sense clearly, but the term is usually reserved for people who get into politics because it's a good career, rather than an overwhelming desire to shape the future of your country. I disagree with much of Corbyn's suggested policies, but I don't think for one minute he is in this for the money and the prestige. For one thing, his expense claims have been markedly different to the shameless lot that milked the system for all its worth.
I hope if Corbyn wins this election he executes a Saddam style public purge, getting rid of the conspirators who've been undermining him
Next stop, Downing Street.
Ah shit. The peasants might get a say now. Better do somethi...Jeremy Corbyn wins right to be defendant in leadership court case
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ight-to-be-defendant-in-leadership-court-case
I'm rooting for Corbyn, the career politicians in the Labour party have really been exposed by recent events. Never mind standing up for your values and what you believe in, better to just say anything to try and become electable. That's the Blairite way.
Correct.Maybe Smith won't be a success. His employment history is unfortunate, but he said all the right things today. But how can anyone can look at the situation Labour is in at this moment and think that continuing with Corbyn is the solution. We can't carry on careering incompetently down a path to a 30% Labour vote in the next election. It hasn't worked. Not because Corbyn is too left wing (he's barely spelled out any policies for people to disagree with) but because he hasn't been a competent leader.
Or a lot of stop Corbyn voters who can afford the £25183,541 new registered Labour party members apparently. That suggests there are a lot of peasants who don't know their place.
Well the PLP will be hoping so anyway or they'll have to put the price up to £50 and try again next month.Or a lot of stop Corbyn voters who can afford the £25
183,541 new registered Labour party supporters in the last 48 hours apparently. That suggests there are a lot of peasants who don't know their place.
I'm voting for Corbyn and I don't think he's the solution at all. For me voting for a Corbyn win is more about changing the Labour Party, to give members a bigger say/influence on the Party. The last few weeks has shown that the PLP(Including Smith as he's been planning this leadership challenge way before the eu referendum) and the wider Labour Party have very little time for it's membership and well democracy. The raise to £25 being the final straw for me.Maybe Smith won't be a success. His employment history is unfortunate, but he said all the right things today. But how can anyone can look at the situation Labour is in at this moment and think that continuing with Corbyn is the solution. We can't carry on careering incompetently down a path to a 30% Labour vote in the next election. It hasn't worked. Not because Corbyn is too left wing (he's barely spelled out any policies for people to disagree with) but because he hasn't been a competent leader.
I'm rooting for Corbyn, the career politicians in the Labour party have really been exposed by recent events. Never mind standing up for your values and what you believe in, better to just say anything to try and become electable. That's the Blairite way.
I'm voting for Smith (voted for Corbyn last year)
Corbyn isn't working. Yes there is a media agenda. Yes he has been constantly undermined by colleagues from the moment he was elected. But objectively, he is doing a terrible job at leading the party. His policy pronouncements have been haphazard. Whilst I generally agree with his political positions he hasn't communicated them to the public is any persuasive form - essential given the nature of the English electorate.
Look, I would love to live in a country where the leader boasting about how she would order the deaths of millions of civilians is seen as the extremist nutter, and not the man who says he wouldn't countenance doing such a thing. But that is not this country, at this time. It is not the reality of non-metropolitan England, which makes up the majority of the electorate, as much as I would like it be otherwise.
Maybe Smith won't be a success. His employment history is unfortunate, but he said all the right things today. But how can anyone can look at the situation Labour is in at this moment and think that continuing with Corbyn is the solution. We can't carry on careering incompetently down a path to a 30% Labour vote in the next election. It hasn't worked. Not because Corbyn is too left wing (he's barely spelled out any policies for people to disagree with) but because he hasn't been a competent leader.
Yeah don't buy any of this.Labour Party group suspended over bullying complaints
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-36848945
Labours leadership has gone to Ridiculous extents to use all underhand tactics in their pursuit to undermine Corbyn and his. Supporters anyhow. Its a ridiculous situatio.
The worst part is they've been incredibly shit and unsubtle and doing so as well. I'd have a begrudging respect for them if they were calculated manipulators who'd managed to oust him skilfully, but as it is they've jumped on Brexit (where most Labour voters voted Remain), and have tried to oust Corbyn despite not really having a credible replacement for much of the time...whilst showing utter contempt to members in the process for not following the agenda the party wants them to. Corbyn's opponents are just as utterly incompetent as he is, and will probably be slaughtered by May's Tories.
Michael Crick has tweeted (and been retweeted many times) that if Foster wins his court case Smith could be leader unopposed. That's rubbish isn't it?
Im quite concerned that they're so stupid as to even challenge the ruling. Its just doing further damage to the party.
Do they not realise that ousting Corbyn in such a way to instil their own candidate would not only lose them the voters still behind Corbyn but also the wider member base who are appalled by such underhand behaviour.
Don't underestimate the delusions of the PLP. They're so far embedded in their little elitist bubble they fail to acknowledge how their actions would destroy them. They probably think we're all a bunch of simpleton drones that would vote for them regardless.
The Greens are probably licking their lips at the moment.
Quite simply some of them think the members are the enemy. We've heard it from numerous senior figures now that they feel they've lost the party to entryists and they want their party back. Even if Jeremy got Labour into power they wouldnt be happy at the situation.
Progress isnt heavily funded by external donors such as Lord Sainsburys just to allow Labour members to have their way. Their strategy board is made up of political figures and this top down approach is what they want to guide the party.
It was only a few years ago that the debate was had on whether they should have a place in the party. Then they have the cheek to call momentum out as a seperate movement.
they should have let him remain as shadow city minister... its not like he spent any time in the city anyway.Richard Burgon is now shadow Attorney General as well as shadow Justice secretary and shadow Lord Chancellor.
The worst part is they've been incredibly shit and unsubtle and doing so as well. I'd have a begrudging respect for them if they were calculated manipulators who'd managed to oust him skilfully, but as it is they've jumped on Brexit (where most Labour voters voted Remain), and have tried to oust Corbyn despite not really having a credible replacement for much of the time...whilst showing utter contempt to members in the process for not following the agenda the party wants them to. Corbyn's opponents are just as utterly incompetent as he is, and will probably be slaughtered by May's Tories.
Richard Burgon is now shadow Attorney General as well as shadow Justice secretary and shadow Lord Chancellor.
Not so much about being bothered, more that the shadow Chancellor is a cnut that doesn't inspire support.Labour have to get rid of devisive Corbyn to unite the party - yesterday a Labour economic debate in the House of Commons had to be abandonded due to a lack of Labour MP's being bothered to turn up.
Shameful disunity and great news for the Tories.