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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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Chip said:
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Sorry if this has been posted before.
Just thought it was relevant, especially to those questioning the fee.
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This chart is completely relevant and a good start if you need to analyse our transfers. The question isn't necessarily whether we have the means or not. Of course we do, we have plenty of money to burn.

Many posters here are just concerned about us paying way over the fair value for the player. Sure you can say that fair value is what a club asks for him and if you believe that then the discussion ends there.

But if you did a similar comparison of other near world record transfers and the clubs' revenues at the point and also compare the career stage those players were at, you would see that we are paying more than what we should pay for a player like Pogba.
 
Pexbo said:
Ah sorry, as you were, I thought you were joking about it being a poor value transfer.
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The amount is shocking when you consider the turnovers of the club but it was a great decision.
 
shamans said:
That's not a smart move at all. Severing ties like that over 20 million will come back to haunt you.
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Well if they get United to pay most of his fee, then it's smart - Railoa still gets paid, so won't be a bridge burnt there and United are not going to be like "well they made us pay Railoa fee, so we won't do any business in the future".
 
RedCurry said:
This chart is completely relevant and a good start if you need to analyse our transfers. The question isn't necessarily whether we have the means or not. Of course we do, we have plenty of money to burn.

Many posters here are just concerned about us paying way over the fair value for the player. Sure you can say that fair value is what a club asks for him and if you believe that then the discussion ends there.

But if you did a similar comparison of other near world record transfers and the clubs' revenues at the point and also compare the career stage those players were at, you would see that we are paying more than what we should pay for a player like Pogba.
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Ok, Bale was POTY and Suarez was a Golden Boot winner, but what about Neymar? Did he achieve more than Pogba before joining Barcelona? Not to mention the tax fraud and that Barca reportedly paid his father 40 mil euros. You want a talent, you'll pay for it.
 
Kaos said:
As excited as I am I really don't trust Raiola. I could see him doing to us what he's doing to Juventus in a few years, hoping to again cash in hugely from a Madrid transfer.

I just hope that Pogba eventually ditches him or at the very least we get a good 3-4 years out of him before forcing Madrid to break the transfer record for him.
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Raiola is doing what Pogba wants him to do. He is not some evil little leprechaun whispering temptations into the innocent boys ear :)

If Pogba is happy to stay he wll stay.
 
MDFC Manager said:
That refers to the "75% work done" part of Mourinho's quote
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Sparky Rhiwabon said:
The 75% means we have got 3 out of the 4 players he wanted. What is not clear is whether his "3 to fit the profile" refers to those three or that we have three options for the final player. Either way he is looking for one last player. Hopefully it will be Pogba
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Well obviously when I read those posts I thought they were replying to the poster's question about the bolded part. Fair enough if they were commenting on something else. But this is boring, where is Pogba dammit?

"We are in great conditions to have a great market. We are calm. We have three faces to fill the profile. I am confident Mr Woodward will get
1. What does the part I highlighted mean!? That there are 2 other possibilities if the Pogba deal falls through.
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F1D said:
Ok, Bale was POTY and Suarez was a Golden Boot winner, but what about Neymar? Did he achieve more than Pogba before joining Barcelona? Not to mention the tax fraud and that Barca reportedly paid his father 40 mil euros. You want a talent, you'll pay for it.
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Rare are the people who think that Neymar's transfer fee was normal.
 
F1D said:
Ok, Bale was POTY and Suarez was a Golden Boot winner, but what about Neymar? Did he achieve more than Pogba before joining Barcelona? Not to mention the tax fraud and that Barca reportedly paid his father 40 mil euros. You want a talent, you'll pay for it.
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I don't actually know what Neymar finally cost Barca. The initial figures were obviously false but last time I read, it said something about 57m Euros being his transfer fee, which in my opinion was fair value for a player of his quality at the time. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was something more but maybe you can find me a source that says they paid any more than that?

I agree with the fact that when you want quality you pay for it. I think Pogba is quality no doubt. But can he step it up to the next level? I hope and I think he can in which case his fee will not matter.
 
devilish said:
However what happens when someone manage to outgun them not once but three times? We took ADM from them (they didn't want to pay his salary), they went on skint mode for DDG and now they must go begging around the world asking ridiculous money for James and Morata to buy Pogba. Thats not the type of attitude sponsors spend premium for.
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Sorry, but that's streching things too far. We didn't 'take' AdM from them, they had a player they didn't want and we paid them a british record fee for him. Someone who as it turned out didn't even want to play for us. With DDG, we'll never truly know what actually happened. Real had an excellent GK playing for them, by all accounts DDG wanted to join them. We were just really lucky that the transfer fell through. Or else we would have ended last season way lower.
Fingers crossed, Pogba joins us. But if in a couple of years time, Real comes knocking with a then world record bid, are you sure Pogba would say no to them ? I am truly glad that we are flexing our financial muscle and possibly out bidding Real. But it would be naive to start thinking that this is the start of some new world order.
 
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pixel said:
Sorry, but that's streching things too far. We didn't 'take' AdM from them, they had a player they didn't want and we paid them a british record fee for him. Someone who as it turned out didn't even want to play for us. With DDG, we'll never truly know what actually happened. Real had an excellent GK playing for them, by all accounts DDG wanted to join them. We were just really lucky that the transfer fell through. Or else we would have ended last season way lower.
Fingers crossed, Pogba joins us. But if in a couple of years time, Real comes knocking with a then world record bid, are you sure Pogba would say no to them ? I am truly glad that we are flexing our financial muscle and possibly out bidding Real. But it would be naive to start thinking that this is the start of some new world order.
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We have the financial muscle to set a new presedence for transfer fees and wages, I think that is what RM is fearing. Sure for the glory, the aura and the fame every player would want to join RM. But if RM pay 250k\week and we pay 350k\week that glory and aura goes straight out the window. Also we must consider that players today consider themselves as a brand and a product. Commercially there is no club that can compete with us, if you want to enhance your brand and product, go to Manchester United.

Also, is it totally unrealistic that following scenario will happen:

Bayern, Barca, RM, Juve tap up a player
Club president of the club of said player realizes that MUFC will pay 20-30% more for said player
Club president offers said player to MUFC
We present bid which is 20-30% higher than the rest, and an insane wage
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I know, it makes me feel dirty. But this is what football and the world has become. Let's embrace the plasticity.
 
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RedCurry said:
I don't actually know what Neymar finally cost Barca. The initial figures were obviously false but last time I read, it said something about 57m Euros being his transfer fee, which in my opinion was fair value for a player of his quality at the time. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was something more but maybe you can find me a source that says they paid any more than that?

I agree with the fact that when you want quality you pay for it. I think Pogba is quality no doubt. But can he step it up to the next level? I hope and I think he can in which case his fee will not matter.
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24th January, 2014: Detailed figures of Neymar transfer revealed by the club
Shortly after Rosell’s resignation, Barcelona president Bartomeu revealed the ‘detailed figures’ of the transfer saga in order to absolve the club of any wrong doings. In what can be read as an admittance of guilt, the club revealed that it incurred a total expenditure of €86.2m while signing Neymar which was previously concealed by the club.
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http://www.thehardtackle.com/blogs/...arcelona-e130-2m-fee-and-tax-evasion-details/

I agree with the next level thing. Pogba is Raiola's client after all and my biggest fear is that he'll end up like Balotelli or something. Hope he'll keep his feet on the ground.
 
VanGaalEra said:
:lol: :lol:

Ridiculous, it's like a spoiled child not getting his presents over Xmas.
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Or like when Suarez wanted to "wear the white shirt" the summer before he joined, but it wasn't happening with Bale coming. Then the bite happened (Ivanovic) and Perez was never signing him after that. He then bit Chiellini to make sure Perez was never ever going to dream about signing him.

Or like when journalists asked Perez why we didn't sign Neymar and he replied with following: Neymar would have cost Real Madrid 150m

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/span...r-would-have-cost-real-madrid-150m-says-perez

..then everyone was saying how Perez is butthurt because he couldn't sign the player and Barca was all full of themselves saying they got him for "peanuts".

Fast forward two years and here's the current situation:

Rossell is not Barcelona president any more
Rossell is in court both in Spain and Brazil
Bartomeu is the new Barca president
Bartomeu is aslo in court over Neymar deal
Neymar is in court
Barcelona FC is in court over that deal
Neymar's assets are frozen
Everyone is suing everyone (specially in Brazil) because of that deal

...and we still don't know how much they actually payed, but what we do know is that Perez is butthurt because he didn't sign him, right?

You lack context in every one of your posts about Real Madrid.
 
RedCurry said:
Contrary to most opinions on this thread, I think Mourinho is saying that we have 1 more position(central midfielder) to fill and we have identified 3 players to fill that. I would guess the options would be Pogba, Matuidi and Gomes(???).
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Nope, from watching the conference, I took that as the 3 being in the mould of Ibra, Mkhiky and Bailly.
 
Looks like it is down to just the Raiola fee then?

Will United be willing to pay that on top of every other expense?
 
pixel said:
Sorry, but that's streching things too far. We didn't 'take' AdM from them, they had a player they didn't want and we paid them a british record fee for him. Someone who as it turned out didn't even want to play for us. With DDG, we'll never truly know what actually happened. Real had an excellent GK playing for them, by all accounts DDG wanted to join them. We were just really lucky that the transfer fell through. Or else we would have ended last season way lower.
Fingers crossed, Pogba joins us. But if in a couple of years time, Real comes knocking with a then world record bid, are you sure Pogba would say no to them ? I am truly glad that we are flexing our financial muscle and possibly out bidding Real. But it would be naive to start thinking that this is the start of some new world order.
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Not exactly. Real didn't want to meet ADM salary demands and were forced to let him go. Their media came out with a ridiculous excuse that they sold one of their best players simply because he was too ugly. With DDG we have a good picture of what happened. Real refused to cough up the money asked by United and ended up forcing Neves into agreeing a fee + player deal. The deal fell, Neves ended up pissed off by the way he was treated and DDG signed a new long term contract soon afterwards. Once again Real's media tried to spin it up by blaming United but failed miserably.

With Pogba the same thing seem happening. Real refused to cough up the money and while United went on dealing with Juventus and Riola, Real went throughout Europe trying to offload their rejects for premium money to recoup the necessary money needed to buy Pogba. Once again, the media has come out to cover their arses by saying that Pogba isn't that great.

I have been following the big spenders throughout most of my life, clubs like AC Milan and Inter who were absolutely lethal in their days and who ran out of money eventually. I assure you that the sort of messages Real are sending aren't nice. Also That's not what the sponsors (who pay premium money to have Real representing them) want.
 
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Hernandez - BFA said:
Nope, from watching the conference, I took that as the 3 being in the mould of Ibra, Mkhiky and Bailly.
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I personally thought he meant he'd identified three players to fill this last core signing. English not being Jose's first language, it's understandable that the specific meaning behind some of the words he uses, or the context he uses them within, are somewhat hazy.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Looks like their only signing will be Gomes for 50M.

They're stuck with this squad until Jan transfer window 2018! It's also hard to do deals in Jan so essentially, this is their squad for the next two full seasons!
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and morata for 30 ...if u call that a signing
 
RedCurry said:
I read other opinions on here.
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Fair enough well im with you on this one, he is clearly saying that we have 1 key position (player profile) to bring in and there is a 3 man shortlist for that role. Pogba is the number 1 target out of those 3.
 
F1D said:
http://www.thehardtackle.com/blogs/...arcelona-e130-2m-fee-and-tax-evasion-details/

I agree with the next level thing. Pogba is Raiola's client after all and my biggest fear is that he'll end up like Balotelli or something. Hope he'll keep his feet on the ground.
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83m Euro for Neymar included the price for his potential like Pogba's price. However shady it was, I think they overpaid at the time, but that turned out well for them because Neymar seems to have realized his true potential.
 
jungledrums said:
I personally thought he meant he'd identified three players to fill this last core signing. English not being Jose's first language, it's understandable that the specific meaning behind some of the words he uses, or the context he uses them within, are somewhat hazy.
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Meh, even if he said the way you said it, we could easily take that as mind games to show Juve that we have other targets. Similarly to the mind games they've been throwing out.

You may be right, but in the context of his whole answer it sounded to me as if he was explaining how he gave Woodward the profiles of the players he wanted, and they have already brought in 75% of the 4 profile of players he wanted.
 
gaucho_10 said:
Or like when Suarez wanted to "wear the white shirt" the summer before he joined, but it wasn't happening with Bale coming. Then the bite happened (Ivanovic) and Perez was never signing him after that. He then bit Chiellini to make sure Perez was never ever going to dream about signing him.

Or like when journalists asked Perez why we didn't sign Neymar and he replied with following: Neymar would have cost Real Madrid 150m

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/span...r-would-have-cost-real-madrid-150m-says-perez

..then everyone was saying how Perez is butthurt because he couldn't sign the player and Barca was all full of themselves saying they got him for "peanuts".

Fast forward two years and here's the current situation:

Rossell is not Barcelona president any more
Rossell is in court both in Spain and Brazil
Bartomeu is the new Barca president
Bartomeu is aslo in court over Neymar deal
Neymar is in court
Barcelona FC is in court over that deal
Neymar's assets are frozen
Everyone is suing everyone (specially in Brazil) because of that deal

...and we still don't know how much they actually payed, but what we do know is that Perez is butthurt because he didn't sign him, right?

You lack context in every one of your posts about Real Madrid.
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This post stinks of, "If we want someone we get them, if we don't get them, we didn't want them".
 
gaucho_10 said:
Or like when Suarez wanted to "wear the white shirt" the summer before he joined, but it wasn't happening with Bale coming. Then the bite happened (Ivanovic) and Perez was never signing him after that. He then bit Chiellini to make sure Perez was never ever going to dream about signing him.

Or like when journalists asked Perez why we didn't sign Neymar and he replied with following: Neymar would have cost Real Madrid 150m

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/span...r-would-have-cost-real-madrid-150m-says-perez

..then everyone was saying how Perez is butthurt because he couldn't sign the player and Barca was all full of themselves saying they got him for "peanuts".

Fast forward two years and here's the current situation:

Rossell is not Barcelona president any more
Rossell is in court both in Spain and Brazil
Bartomeu is the new Barca president
Bartomeu is aslo in court over Neymar deal
Neymar is in court
Barcelona FC is in court over that deal
Neymar's assets are frozen
Everyone is suing everyone (specially in Brazil) because of that deal

...and we still don't know how much they actually payed, but what we do know is that Perez is butthurt because he didn't sign him, right?

You lack context in every one of your posts about Real Madrid.
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You did try to pay his buyout clause this summer..
 
Shimo said:
Well if they get United to pay most of his fee, then it's smart - Railoa still gets paid, so won't be a bridge burnt there and United are not going to be like "well they made us pay Railoa fee, so we won't do any business in the future".
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United will see this a bad move. It does bad to their business credibility. Also, that's 20 million more going from United. I don't think it's smart to go back on your word in a business deal, ever.
 
shamans said:
United will see this a bad move. It does bad to their business credibility. Also, that's 20 million more going from United. I don't think it's smart to go back on your word in a business deal, ever.
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United can be smart about it. We're swimming in a sea of turds. That's the reality. Let's buy his agents commercial rights and then start selling Raiola punching bags etc. I imagine that will be quite popular :)
 
Fortitude said:
We found out at the Euros that Deschamps doesn't know what he's doing and constantly played his star midfielder everywhere but his best position.

Whilst your first sentence might well be true, you can't draw that conclusion from games at a tournament where Pogba was given little opportunity or platform to deliver as he has done for Juventus.

Mourinho will not make the same mistakes as Deschamps, and outside of a severe injury crisis, Pogba won't be playing at the base of our midfield at any time during the next 3yrs or whatever.

Pogba is inconsistent and he is lackadaisical as well as sometimes positionally poor in defensive situations, but he is absolutely a difference-maker and one of few players in the world with the pure ability to turn games to his team's favour in an instant. We don't need him to do anything single-handedly as he has vastly more experienced players around him who can and will share the load throughout the campaign.

If anything, Mourinho is setting up a team that will get as much offensive brilliance out of Pogba as possible
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He played him as one of the attacking midfielders in a 3 or in a midfield two. If those are not his 'best positions', which is? He didn't play at the base of the midfield; he was one of two box to box midfielders with Matuidi.

My knowledge on Pogba is not limited to the Euros. I have seen him plenty playing for our U21's, and for Juve both in Serie A and in the champions league. He is, as you mention, very inconsistent and lackadaisical, and doesn't know defensive positioning. At Juve, two other midfielders usually do all the grunt work. I would agree that Pogba does have the ability for produce a moment of magic, but those are few and far between.

If he get him, I hope Jose plays him one of three in the midfield, the most attacking one. That is the only position he'll succeed in. Like I mentioned before in the thread somewhere, I see him more as a Lampard, Gerrard, Toure type midfielder. Is that worth the numbers being talked about? I certainly do not believe that.
 
zlatan_ish said:
Is the motto of most United fans these days anyway. This thread is an example.
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I think most opposition fans fails to recognize the amount of scarring the Moyes and LvG years has left on us. I think that most UTD supporters now will take success no matter in which form. Also this is very much getting in with the times, the sugardaddies, Sheiks and Oligarchs has sortof redefined what it takes to succeed.
 
100 said:
I don't understand how an agent can have enough control over a player to earn himself such a huge fee. The agent is nothing without the player, the player is still who he is without the agent. I'd guess that many players retire and realise they got taken to the cleaners.
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In Pogbas and Raiolas case I would say that when this 20% or whatever it is was agreed upon they were expecting 6-8m rather than 20m he stands to earn now it's the mindblowing transfer fee (although I think it will be worth it) that has inflated Raiolas fee so much
 
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jungledrums said:
If you're not intelligent enough to understand what I mean, it doesn't mean I misuse terms, it means you've the intellectual complexity of a spoon.
What a self righteous reply. I see you appear every so often on these boards with ludicrous statements.
Most apt username 2015
Need I say more. Utterly inept.
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Woah! Easy, kid. Are you gonna make me cry?

You don't know 'self-righteous' means either. sigh...

More time with the books, less time on the internet. Now disappear for me on the caf. Ignore. Gone.
 
Insanity said:
He played him as one of the attacking midfielders in a 3 or in a midfield two. If those are not his 'best positions', which is? He didn't play at the base of the midfield; he was one of two box to box midfielders with Matuidi.

My knowledge on Pogba is not limited to the Euros. I have seen him plenty playing for our U21's, and for Juve both in Serie A and in the champions league. He is, as you mention, very inconsistent and lackadaisical, and doesn't know defensive positioning. At Juve, two other midfielders usually do all the grunt work. I would agree that Pogba does have the ability for produce a moment of magic, but those are few and far between.

If he get him, I hope Jose plays him one of three in the midfield, the most attacking one. That is the only position he'll succeed in. Like I mentioned before in the thread somewhere, I see him more as a Lampard, Gerrard, Toure type midfielder. Is that worth the numbers being talked about? I certainly do not believe that.
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If he turns out to be as effective as Toure and Gerrard were for City and Liverpool, then hell yes!

We've been dying for a player like that since Keane.
 
Insanity said:
He played him as one of the attacking midfielders in a 3 or in a midfield two. If those are not his 'best positions', which is? He didn't play at the base of the midfield; he was one of two box to box midfielders with Matuidi.
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Simply playing him in that position does not mean he would automatically play like he did in Juventus. He was clearly given instructions to perform a specific role that limited his freedom of movement, and he still did reasonably well, he wasn't spectacular but he was tidy.
 
cyberman said:
But Pogba's wages aren't that unreasonable fot such a transfer.
Did Bale move to Madrid without an agent fee involved? I'm sure Mendes etc got a massive chunk out of the Ronaldo deal.
20% isn't this monster payout that people are suggesting it is.
We missed out on Hazard when we didn't pay his agent 6m which was around 20% on it's own.
Just seems like excuses to me. 50m euro odd for Sane who played in KDB position last year.
Bidding 40m for a defender with a broken leg. Who would have been played out of position no less.
50m for Stones! Who would be bought alongside 60m Bonucci if Juve let you.
Im sorry Bobby but you were the first to chime in about City's revenues rivalling our own. Justifying City's absurd 3b valuation ( if I remember correctly) and boasting about ffp not being a factor anymore after signing Sterling and KDB.
You can't really cry about hands being tied when you can't sign a player.
Especially when your fanbase where crowing about all these world class players Pep would attract for City. Where they expected to arrive on free's and loans?
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This has nothing to do with whether Pogba's fee, wages or Raiola's cut are justified. All I'm saying is however much Pogba will cost is too much for City to pay if they want to pursue other targets. FFP is no longer a significant restraint to City's spending power but obviously we have to work within a budget, as does every club, including Madrid as you can tell by their absence in negotiations for Pogba too. When have I cried about us not pursuing Pogba? I haven't whatsoever, I accept City have decided the cost is too much and will pursue other targets.
 
zlatan_ish said:
Is the motto of most United fans these days anyway. This thread is an example.
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That's really not true but we've lost great players to plastic clubs like City/Chelsea etc and that annoys people. No one likes these agents but we've missed out on some great players simply because we've been cheap. Most united fans are happy to seeing youngsters coming through but if your club has the money - why not spend it? When United sold Ronaldo and announced it the way they did - we wasted the money. It didn't improve the team. Uniteds spending is overrated. It's not about spending money just for the sake of it. United aren't mugs. Nor are the fans. Most people are pissed the kid was stolen from us in the first place and to be frank - I doubt many Juve fans give a shit. So when they moan now don't blame us. Don't knock United. Blame the agents. We're not dumb enough to spend xxx on just anyone.
 
Scarecrow said:
Yeah, I don't get it either. If I had the opportunity to make 20 million off this, I'd be doing everything I can to get it. He doesn't owe anything to anyone.

Not to mention that it seems he's making this whole thing happen on his own. Deserves to get paid.
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Also, from what I've read, Pogba had an issue not too long ago about his image rights as they were owned, or partly owned, by a third party. Raiola supposedly paid the person off so Pogba has total control over them now. With Pogba moving now it seems this is his way of getting his money back on top of what he would normally expect for engineering such a move.
 
Insanity said:
He played him as one of the attacking midfielders in a 3 or in a midfield two. If those are not his 'best positions', which is? He didn't play at the base of the midfield; he was one of two box to box midfielders with Matuidi.

My knowledge on Pogba is not limited to the Euros. I have seen him plenty playing for our U21's, and for Juve both in Serie A and in the champions league. He is, as you mention, very inconsistent and lackadaisical, and doesn't know defensive positioning. At Juve, two other midfielders usually do all the grunt work. I would agree that Pogba does have the ability for produce a moment of magic, but those are few and far between.

If he get him, I hope Jose plays him one of three in the midfield, the most attacking one. That is the only position he'll succeed in. Like I mentioned before in the thread somewhere, I see him more as a Lampard, Gerrard, Toure type midfielder. Is that worth the numbers being talked about? I certainly do not believe that.
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couple of the matches I watched, he was definitely playing deeper than he does for Juve
 
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