Wasn't Juve interested at the time?
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Wasn't Juve interested at the time?
One thing I am concerned about with Pogba is his stamina and intensity after a punishing, but successful, training regime at Juve.
He's spent four years there but it sometimes amazes me how slow and pedestrian he looks in the second half of games and whether he has the dynamism to match the best ever PL midfielders like Scholes, Yaya, Gerrard and Lampard.
Patrice Evra said Juve worked way harder than United on the training ground so that may be a factor in Pogba's overall sluggishness and slow-thinking at times
That said, we can see he's gifted - sharp passing long and short, goalscoring ability and the element of surprise - so hopefully that will override the doubts I (and many others) still have about him.
He's spent four years there but it sometimes amazes me how slow and pedestrian he looks in the second half of games and whether he has the dynamism to match the best ever PL midfielders like Scholes, Yaya, Gerrard and Lampard.
Patrice Evra said Juve worked way harder than United on the training ground so that may be a factor in Pogba's overall sluggishness and slow-thinking at times
That said, we can see he's gifted - sharp passing long and short, goalscoring ability and the element of surprise - so hopefully that will override the doubts I (and many others) still have about him.
Berbatov (City)
RVP (City)
Shaw (City, Chelsea)
Martial (City, PSG)
Pogba (City, Madrid, Chelsea, Barca)
But to name a few...
there seems to be a common theme here, but I see what you mean about real competition so you are right
It's quite odd how even City fans that appear to be relatively sane seem to think that we have magically turned into West Brom in a couple of seasons. Perhaps they desire it so much it becomes a sort of reality to them? En masse they cannot countenance that we might eventually sort our shit out and not in fact be spiralling to oblivion.
One would think a supposedly easier training regime at United would help him overcome that sluggishness?
He's not going to be burnt out beyond repair at 23.
Berbatov (City)
RVP (City)
Shaw (City, Chelsea)
Martial (City, PSG)
Pogba (City, Madrid, Chelsea, Barca)
But to name a few...
there seems to be a common theme here, but I see what you mean about real competition so you are right
City were not in for Shaw, Martial or Pogba (if you get him) when you signed them. No one else was in for Martial when you signed him. No one else is in for Pogba right now. van Persie and Berbatov occurred when Ferguson was still managing you.
Cheers!
Knew that we were after him but didn't know the details. Didn't think that such a fringe player would be worth of a saga. Would hardly make the bench at United.
Sneijder and Vidal on the other hand...
How would you know who was in for who? Other then from the press and what clubs say, often you'll find people believe what they want too.
Last season, MCFC had the best squad. When RvN was interviewed he stated this repeatedly and nobody argued against that.
I am not quite sure how you have managed to conclude that MCFC's squad is bad.
MCFC had a much better set up (players, manager, system, league position, etc) than us and arguably the best in the league.
Only after we got Jose, has our squad improved. But that is expected when you buy a Galactico class manager.
While LVG was here, we were playing guys like Lingard. Attackers who were unable to score/create goals. We even brought in an 18 year old, who did a better job than most of our attackers.
While Moyes was here, we were buying players like Fellaini (for more than his release clause). After buying Mata, people were celebrating like we'd just bought the reigning Ball on dor. At the time I think we were 5th. We proceeded to drop further.
Lets face it, pre-Jose: a time to forget.
No, I agree - but he looks like one of those players, because of his gait and frame, that might be burnt out much earlier than some of the hallowed midfield names we've mentioned.
His top level football over the past three or four years (latter rounds of CL, World Cup, Euros, Serie A) has been relentless.
City with their superior everything only managed to nick 4th place off us through goal difference. And we relied heavily on our teenage strikers who were both on their debut season.
#PO6BA
It's possible that Jones may be ahead of Bailly in the pecking order BUT I trust Phil 'Red Zone' Jones to not be able to play more than a few minutes per season.
When Jose realises that Jones hardly ever plays, he'll be moved down the pecking order and his contract will be allowed to expire.
So, assuming Pogba is 'done', are we expecting any more arrivals? Is there even a need?
Well in that case I'll just say when we sign Stones that City beat United, Barcelona and Chelsea to his signature seen as all have been linked to him. We beat Real Madrid and Barcelona to Aguero seen as they were linked to him while he was at Atletico.
Well if being priced out means you aren't in then technically that's correct. It's a nice way of dealing with it for those who don't get their man.
I think Jones has fallen down the pecking order both because of his performance and his injury record. I seriously doubt Mourinho would've bought Bailey if he thought Smalling and Jones, alongside the likes of CBJ would've been sufficient.
Few people on Twitter saying we're close to reaching agreement with Raiola.
People say anything mate, you've got to find the source!
That means nothing unless it's someone of note tweeting.
Looking for it now.
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for really to see if someone reputable reports it.
I am getting drawn into an off topic debate. So I will reply only once regarding this.
MCFC did have superior "everything".
They were doing well in the league. They went far into the CL. They won the League Cup.
Once Pep was announced, I have no idea what happened, but their form nose dived and they lost ground in the league.
Even though they performed so badly in the 2nd half of the season, they still finished ahead of us.
IMO we finished the season with a worse squad than MCFC. Jose has come in and has immediately rectified this, by buying players in their prime or about to hit their prime.
I certainly don't feel sorry for MCFC. Over the last 3 seasons, they have the best average finishing position, of any team in the EPL (1st, 2nd, 4th).
So we can say when Real Madrid signed Ronaldo they beat every other team in world football to his signature seen as every team would have wanted him? The original post referred to 'real competition'. I would not call it 'real competition' if only one team is willing to meet the selling club's valuation.
@sunama gotcha. Jose definitely made a huge difference, and is also one of the reasons why I'm so confident about this 'saga' than the previous ones. He gets things done.
Who do you think we beat when we originally signed Ronaldo?..The same teams that you say beat everyone....It's swings and round abouts. The Spanish clubs wanted him and others but ultimately we got him. If we had more sun, we might have been able to keep him but it weren't to be.
Let's get back to Pogba!
A lot of posters still seem confused on the 'Raiola fee'. His fee is so 'large' because when Pogba signed on a free for Juve a clause was inserted into the contract which sees Raiola entitled to 20% of any future transfer fee (That's pretty standard in contracts when players are signed on a free, especially if the signing on bonus is low). It's now that time and if we're paying Juve €120m then Raiola is due €24m from Juve not United. However, Juve being the scaly and shrewd negotiators they are, are trying to get United to up their offer so that Raiola's cut doesn't come out of their portion. Which is why Mino posted that tweet earlier today about the deal not being done yet. Juve and United have agreed on what Juve will receive. The only issue left is who pays Mino his cut.
What position does he play?
Agree though I thought United and Juve split the agent fee. In any case, Juve are trying to worm their way out of this like you say. I reckon we should just bite the bullet and pay up (which is probably what we'll end up doing...well, at least most of the agent fee). The chances of us having to deal with penny pinching vermin like Juve any time soon is slim. The chances of us having to pay an agent 20% of a fee any time soon is also slim.
With Pjaca now signed and official Juve can now concentrate on Pogba, which is why I think there have been a lack of updates today.
I assume the process can now speed up.
I assume the process can now speed up.
Please god, no.
Thread has grown by 60 pages since I was on last night but can't see that anything has actually happened?
Nothing has happened. Just us muppets being muppets.
Mainly developments about how much Real and City didn't need him.
It's been a bit like trying to have a secret wank, but consistently getting interrupted and having to start again.....
Starting to feel less confident of this deal getting done !! I feel we are gonna be left standing at the alter, again !!
When will we learn??
#pessamist
When will we learn??
#pessamist
All gone very quiet...the calm before the storm?
Makes sense...
I was more referencing to some of the arrogant posters who is posting as if it's United right to get any player and angry at Juve for delaying, etc. I have no problems with United as a club. It just ignorant fan base which I guess every club has.
to be fair there has been a storm every night since monday in this place its like a hurricane with 5 eyes
I'm pretty sure Spurs, Chelsea and Barcelona made attempts to sign Martial in the same window we signed him.
I think Arsenal were in for Schneiderlin too last summer before we signed him.