Jose wasn't going to remove Rooney as captain this early in his appointment. He isn't going to make wholesale changes and turn everything on its head, changes will be made as results dictate. If Rooney fails to perform under Jose then he has only one option but to drop him. But Jose will have to see how Rooney plays with the new signings and his system first.
Wayne Rooney to remain captain
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Correct decision imo.
It's the my captain always plays that was the mistake.
It's the my captain always plays that was the mistake.
I see no issue with this as I don't see any other standout candidate for the captaincy at the moment. Hopefully in a season or two's time, a Smalling, de Gea or someone of that ilk will be ready to step up and become captain.
The sensible option. I think Mourinho is probably one of the only managers to trust when it comes to getting the best out of Rooney. I don't think he'll hesitate to relegate him if it needs to happen. The team we are building around the skipper is going to be formidable. I don't really see him having much trouble putting up the numbers if his own form is up.
My post from the other thread which has more relevanve here...
Jose Mourinho is no idiot. He knows that he can't go in and alienate Rooney straight away. Its still early days in his United career, so he will need to win the squad over and keeping Rooney on side is paramount to that right now.
Who knows, it could even bring out the best in him and give him a new lease of life.
Rooney is a popular and experienced member of the squad so the best case scenario for Mourinho would be if Rooney somehow recaptures his form of 2-3 years ago as he will have a quality player at his disposal. When this inevitably fails, Mourinho will have an excuse to decrease his playing time and
eventually turf him out(allowing someone else to be captain).
Mourinho has to be smart about this and play the waiting game. He will have to play his cards perfectly so as not to hinder the team's chances of silverware and causing disharminy when jousting with Rooney.
Jose Mourinho is no idiot. He knows that he can't go in and alienate Rooney straight away. Its still early days in his United career, so he will need to win the squad over and keeping Rooney on side is paramount to that right now.
Who knows, it could even bring out the best in him and give him a new lease of life.
Rooney is a popular and experienced member of the squad so the best case scenario for Mourinho would be if Rooney somehow recaptures his form of 2-3 years ago as he will have a quality player at his disposal. When this inevitably fails, Mourinho will have an excuse to decrease his playing time and
eventually turf him out(allowing someone else to be captain).
Mourinho has to be smart about this and play the waiting game. He will have to play his cards perfectly so as not to hinder the team's chances of silverware and causing disharminy when jousting with Rooney.
To replace a captain, you need to see who'll be the next natural successor to him. Jose hasn't been manager long enough to judge that.
Rooney will be the captain for the next three years.
He will break the scoring record.
His new record will stay for another 50 years, perhaps more.
(All Rooney haters can weep now, ha ha.)
He will break the scoring record.
His new record will stay for another 50 years, perhaps more.
(All Rooney haters can weep now, ha ha.)
Mourinho knows he can't feck this up so I doubt he'll stick with him if he's shite. That's all that matters.
I'm not Rooney's biggest fan but I understand this decision. There's no point causing a stir by stripping him his captaincy when he's just 2 months into a new job.
What I will and have had a problem with is Rooney playing irrespective of his form/balance of the team. For example shoehorning in to the team as a bloody midfielder!
What I will and have had a problem with is Rooney playing irrespective of his form/balance of the team. For example shoehorning in to the team as a bloody midfielder!
Every manager since Fergie (who had sussed him out and wanted to sell) thinks that they have to play Rooney to avoid a fans revolt. It has been the undoing of two managers so far...
Well, doh.
Hodgson too paid for trying to shoehorn Rooney into the side instead of just dropping him.
I would even go as far to say as two of the best displays I have seen from England and Man Utd didnt involve him. England when they beat Germany recently, and Man Utd when we lost to Real (when Nani was sent off)
Yes, I'm sure it's this. Can't be assumed that they like him as a player, that he's an important factor in the dressing room etc.
Fans should accept that they do not know anything that's happening behind the scenes. If so many people persist with him for such a long time, it's more logical to assume that there is some reason behind it.
Have no problems with this so long as he isn't undroppable if he doesn't perform. Political move too by Jose; no sense rocking the boat so soon into his tenure. Besides, he's already put pressure on Rooney to perform up front by rubbishing the midfield claims argument.
Was always going to be the case. Also he continually played Ivanovic despite being dire so wouldn't get hopes up on him being dropped on performances.
I don't think Mourinho would want to rock the boat by demoting the captain first thing when he comes to the club. If he performs piss poor this season \ first half of the season just like he did last season, then Mourinho will have the justification he needs to bench him and effectively making Smalling captain, even though he will be reserve captain on paper.
I hope he breaks the scoring record for us this year, so he will accept an offer from China summer 2017.
I hope he breaks the scoring record for us this year, so he will accept an offer from China summer 2017.
Good decision by Mou. There is no need to make drastic changes as of now.
Well, it isnt his performances on the pitch because he's been poor for a few years now - I can count the really great performances in that time on one hand. Maybe he's great in the dressing room, but then he should be a coach or a kitman or something not our highest paid PLAYER.
People need to chill out a bit. Gary Neville was club captain but barely played due to age and his legs going. Might be the same with Rooney.
Huh? I seem to remember the whole England team collapsed and not just Rooney.
Rooney was never going to be sold, so the best thing to do at this stage is try to motivate him to get the best out of him. Stripping him of the captaincy is not the best way to go about that and may have threatened team harmony - for all his faults he remains a strong presence in the squad.
Hopefully though, if the nice cop approach doesn't yield any results Mourinho will have the courage to bench him.
Hopefully though, if the nice cop approach doesn't yield any results Mourinho will have the courage to bench him.
Woe be tide if you get on the bad side of supporters!
Common sense just evaporates and is replaced by simple hate.
I personally don't think there is enough evidence to support the myth that SAF was railroading the attempt to remove Rooney. But I will definitely say that it is the height of desperation to call the club top scorer 2/3 seasons under two different managers the "undoing" of them. Even trying to attribute enough blame to Rooney to make the argument sound sensible is very very desperate.
Anyway this is an irritatingly tedious debate, I am just happy to be looking forward to a manager who will be pro-active in getting the best out of his players as individuals and as a collective. Rooney included, I think he probably needs it the most.
ooooooohh ya bitch!!!!
he can be our "sidelined captain" like in Davis cup for a season, then goodbye
Silent Dominations (from the bench)
The behind the screen general ( LVL 99 Leadership Aura emanates from the bench)
Nothing wrong with it, bring it on Jose!
The behind the screen general ( LVL 99 Leadership Aura emanates from the bench)
Nothing wrong with it, bring it on Jose!
This was inevitable. That said, club captain doesn't mean he must play.
Hopefully he can have some sort of Garry Monk novelty status or something.
Hopefully he can have some sort of Garry Monk novelty status or something.
No surprise he is remaining captain - Jose is clearly an admirer of his and it would probably cause a lot of unwanted attention and media hysteria if he removed the captaincy. I also expect Rooney to start the season in the first 11. However, I also think Jose will drop him if he isn't performing.
The main problem I see with this is it would be far less disruptive if done now. Wayne Rooney is done, we know it, and Mourinho will soon know it. What we could do without is a big sideshow around November or December where the whole thing becomes about Rooney being left out, and all that comes with it. We are going to war this year, and need to remain focused.
It would be better if he just began the season with a reduced status from the off.
It would be better if he just began the season with a reduced status from the off.
Looks to me, José has confidence in himself and Wayne to turn him into better no 10
Think this is Mourinho candidly covering his arse.
He's already caveated that Rooney will be a striker or no.10 or bust. So if Rooney underwhelms then no one can accuse Mourinho of not giving him a chance and he'll only have himself to blame.
He's already caveated that Rooney will be a striker or no.10 or bust. So if Rooney underwhelms then no one can accuse Mourinho of not giving him a chance and he'll only have himself to blame.
Exactly what was expected.
1. If United play well and Rooney plays well - Success
2. If United play well and Rooney plays badly - He gets dropped (Remains captain like with J.Terry in last stint at Chelski)
3. If United play badly and Rooney plays badly - Depends how badly compared to the others, but could potentially be dropped.
4. If United play badly and Rooney plays well - Won't get dropped.
It's common sense, the good news is that Jose won't be letting the Caf influence his decisions.
1. If United play well and Rooney plays well - Success
2. If United play well and Rooney plays badly - He gets dropped (Remains captain like with J.Terry in last stint at Chelski)
3. If United play badly and Rooney plays badly - Depends how badly compared to the others, but could potentially be dropped.
4. If United play badly and Rooney plays well - Won't get dropped.
It's common sense, the good news is that Jose won't be letting the Caf influence his decisions.
Jose effectively finished Casillas's career when he thought he wasn't good enough so nothing to worry about.
It doesn't exactly come as a surprise, Jose's aware of the influence Rooney has in the dressing room and how stripping him of the captaincy could create a rift. He's being pragmatic.
One things for sure tho, I can't see Jose tolerating unacceptable performances, so with our increased quality and added depth, Rooney's place will be under greater threat and scrutiny than ever beforeZ
One things for sure tho, I can't see Jose tolerating unacceptable performances, so with our increased quality and added depth, Rooney's place will be under greater threat and scrutiny than ever beforeZ
I think Mourinho will get the best out of him. Rooney plays his best when he is angry/aggressive and that's how Mourinho normally gets his sides to play. Ibrahimovic said he plays best when he plays that way and Mourinho always knew how to get him in that state of mind.
I don't think Mourinho will have a problem dropping him, some have mention Ivanovic, which i think was a selection of team balance, but there are plenty of other cases where he has made himself unpopular by dropping stars particularly at Madrid.
I don't think Mourinho will have a problem dropping him, some have mention Ivanovic, which i think was a selection of team balance, but there are plenty of other cases where he has made himself unpopular by dropping stars particularly at Madrid.
Sack Mourinho plz
Mourinho is not going to give himself rope to hang himself at this stage...
If Mourinho starts getting results no one will care if he plays or not, no one will care who is captain, IF he gets results.
I would love to see Rooney get back in form and dazzle us again but honestly I think he's done. He started at this level at very young age, his type of play was very physical for the majority of his career, his body can't take it anymore.
I would love to see Rooney get back in form and dazzle us again but honestly I think he's done. He started at this level at very young age, his type of play was very physical for the majority of his career, his body can't take it anymore.
Right decision, an element of continuity is crucial at this stage, Rooney (from what we know) is a popular and well respected player and leader in the changing room. The last thing we need is some sort of unrest within the squad by upsetting the apple cart.
At best, Rooney re-captures some form and has a solid season for us, contributing to some success.
At worst, Mourinho can't be accused of not giving him a fair chance and sells/phases him out ahead of next season (probably after the record has been broken)
'Club captain' is also a title held by many previous players who didn't play every minute of every game.
At best, Rooney re-captures some form and has a solid season for us, contributing to some success.
At worst, Mourinho can't be accused of not giving him a fair chance and sells/phases him out ahead of next season (probably after the record has been broken)
'Club captain' is also a title held by many previous players who didn't play every minute of every game.