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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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I always thought he was overrated but now we are struggling to get him I have never wanted a signing more. Well thiago aside.
 
RetroStu said:
God you just don't know what to believe do you. I think Juve just don't want to sell and thats why they are making it as difficult as they can.
I'm losing patience to even care anymore to be honest.
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That's the point. They don't want to sell him. The transfer is only possible because we're close to offering a ridiculous amount of money which Juventus would be mad not to accept and because they can't afford the financial package we would be able to give to Pogba.
 
roonster09 said:
What you are saying is FFP calculation.

How much club pays upfront and in how many installments depends on the clubs. For example, if what Di Marzio said is correct then Juve will pay 47 Million this year and 47 million next year.
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It doesn't change anything, it could be 23m now and 23m in April of both years, they can finance that. IIRC PSG had to pay Palermo like that.
 
If this is, or continues to be, a genuine case of brinkmanship I guess we might not even see the deal being concluded until very very late on in the transfer window. It might very well be similar scenario to how we finally landed Berbatov or how Madrid signed Bale.
 
roonster09 said:
What you are saying is FFP calculation.

How much club pays upfront and in how many installments depends on the clubs. For example, if what Di Marzio said is correct then Juve will pay 47 Million this year and 47 million next year.
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Obviously that is another factor in these things. The amortisation in addition to how Juve pay the installents are still within Juve's financial means without any consideration for how the Pogba deal proceeds, which was my initial point.
 
I said it way earlier on in this thread it's got Vidal written all over it! I think he'll wait till next summer to move to Madrid personally.
 
JPRouve said:
It doesn't change anything, it could be 23m now and 23m in April of both years, they can finance that. IIRC PSG had to pay Palermo like that.
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Yeah it doesn't change anything, just saying transfer are not amortized over the contract length. It's done only for FFP calculation.
 
If it doesn't hapeen next week, it wobn't happen at all imo. Jose already said this wouldn't be a long transfer deadline saga, he also said we have other targets.
I think we will just move onto other targets if it doesn't happen next week.
 
Has anybody seen beppe marotta the director of juventus wouldn't surprise with those wonky eyes he cant even read the amount woody has written on the check.
 
I think the deals already done, why is DiMarzio gospel look at the Andre Gomez thing and the Aubameyang transfer he can be fed lies too!
 
Bosws87 said:
I think the deals already done, why is DiMarzio gospel look at the Andrew Gomez thing and the Aubameyang transfer he can be fed lies too!
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He never said Aubameyang was going to sign for City. He said a bid was accepted but it was widely reported Aubameyang's demands were ridiculous and City didn't go for it in the end.
 
Skywarden said:
You asked whether it was more logical for Juve to wait for the Pogba deal to be concluded or not. To which I responded, paraphrasing, that is shouldn't have any connection to how the Pogba negotiations go because Juventus have the money to amortise Higuain's deal.
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So what Pogba deal would also be amortized

What does it matter, if they spend €94m that gets amortized over 5 years or not, they will still need to make that money from somewhere. That is why I said it would more sense to me Juve are guaranteed the Pogba money before they spend it on Higuain because if they don't they will be left with a huge amortization cost on their books for the next 5 years, which doesn't sound like good business.

How the money is accounted for in the books has aboslutley nothing to do with the economical concept that you need money before you can spend it.
 
Mark McMaw said:
I said it way earlier on in this thread it's got Vidal written all over it! I think he'll wait till next summer to move to Madrid personally.
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Except we supposedly have an agreement with Pogba and its Juve who dont want to agree terms. If this deal fails its because Juve have put a price that is too high.

Juve will never get a bigger offer for one of their players than this.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah it doesn't change anything, just saying transfer are not amortized over the contract length. It's done only for FFP calculation.
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I didn't talk about amortisation, I just tried to show why it's not a big deal for Juventus. Ironically, by doing that I showed to myself why I shouldn't worry about +100m for Pogba.
 
Mark McMaw said:
I said it way earlier on in this thread it's got Vidal written all over it! I think he'll wait till next summer to move to Madrid personally.
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Madrid are likely to have a transfer ban next summer.

We need to stop with all this Madrid bogeyman nonsense
 
RDCR07 said:
Erm? So? It doesnt mean they cant be a force next season if they retain Pogba and sign Higuain. Without Pogba they cant be as a big a threat but crazier things have happened like Chelsea beating Barca in the semis and winning the final against Di Matteo. How strong were they in the decade previously in Europe?
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They reached the final when Pogba was injured and missed all of the knockout stage.
My point is a lot of people are claiming Juve are this super power while their results in Europe fail to back this up.
To morgage their signings on the results of a competition that they have been pathetic in is financial suicide.
Same thing when people ask why he doesn't want to win The CL with Juve.
Just wait until you're 32 for your next shot Paul. For a team who have lost 7 out of 8 finals.
People have to comprehend where Juve are and it's not among the elite.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Except we supposedly have an agreement with Pogba and its Juve who dont want to agree terms. If this deal fails its because Juve have put a price that is too high.

Juve will never get a bigger offer for one of their players than this.
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Pogba is the next big thing though. Even if his value were to drop a little bit it's pretty much guaranteed we can have 100 million for him if we ever do decide to sell him. So there is definitely no need for us to sell him unless he makes it clear he wants out.
 
Surely Woodward won't allow himself to look foolish yet again, being unable to land a big target. He's already the laughing stock amongst CEO's of major clubs.
 
The red panther said:
They really haven't

Pjaca was €23m
Pjanic was €32m
Benatia was €3m loan with €17m option to buy him at the end of the loan
Dani Alves was a free transfer

And they sold Moratta to Madrid for €30m

So they have basically net spend €28m so far

In terms of wages Alves is prob on a big one and Benatia and Pjanic will also earn a decent wage but they have lost the wage of Cuadrado and Moratta so all in all not much difference there.

I don't think Juve would spend €94m without selling Pogba but it is not true they have spend an awfull lot. In fact they are a very economical club and their books are usually in order. At the end of the summer they will probably have earned more money than they have spend.

The thing actually is, I do think it is possible but very unlikley Juve might actually be able to afford Higuain without selling Pogba. They never spend much and every season they get money from CL money and winning the serie A, so it is not unlikley they might have build up some reserve cash. If they would sell some further players like Zaza (20m), Manzukic(20m), Pereya(18m) who all still look like leaving, they might actually be able to afford it without selling Pogba. But must say I think it is unlikley because it feels very unlike Juve.
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Dani Alves would have had a signing on fee and will be on good wages.

You need to factor in their wage budget! They can't afford to have so many new faces who will no doubt be in higher wages than the outgoing players.

Factor in the 94M of Higuain, plus his wages (will be the best paid alongside Pogba) and they've had a very expensive summer. Pogba would also want a pay rise.

They simply can't afford it, all this news in the media is just Juve posturing and attempting to flex their tiny muscles.
 
RetroStu said:
God you just don't know what to believe do you. I think Juve just don't want to sell and thats why they are making it as difficult as they can.
I'm losing patience to even care anymore to be honest.
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My sentiments exactly, I'm getting to the stage where I couldn't give a shite either way.

But if he does sign I will be like a kid at Christmas !!
 
JPRouve said:
I didn't talk about amortisation, I just tried to show why it's not a big deal for Juventus. Ironically, by doing that I showed to myself why I shouldn't worry about +100m for Pogba.
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When you said they can pay 23 Million without selling i thought you were talking about amortizing instead on Net spend.

I agree with your points. Looks like many are underestimating Juventus finances, they are in very healthy position and can spend on Higuain without selling Pogba.
 
You have love how most of the journos on twitter are reporting that Pogba could stay at Juventus because Di Marzio said there is a remote possibility of it.
Surely that must be enough proof for anyone that all twitter is about is clickbait. Pretty much all of them have removed the word remote in their titles.
 
The Vidal vibes are so strong. There will be a reason this is taking so long. It's now 2 and a half weeks since it was reported we were in talks and had agreed terms. We are relying on the same info being recycled day by day, and most reliable outlets aren't saying anything. If there is no progression this week he will stay I think.
 
Vialli_92 said:
Pogba is the next big thing though. Even if his value were to drop a little bit it's pretty much guaranteed we can have 100 million for him if we ever do decide to sell him. So there is definitely no need for us to sell him unless he makes it clear he wants out.
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I don't think its as guaranteed. United have the money and desperation this summer, that might not be the case going forward. Will anyone else ever offer 100m plus for a midfielder in the near future?

But I also see it from their point of view, 80m in 2 years time is a good price for someone who could play a part in their CL adventures.
 
lem8sh said:
Crazily overpriced and not exactly clear where he would fit into our system. It's not the end of the world muppets.
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Problem is we do need someone don't we? The last few years have proven that beyond doubt and we simply cannot go into next season with the squad as it is right now. Mourinho is a great manager but not a miracle worker. I think even the most ardent and optimistic United fan would not disagree with that - unless your name is Twigginator of course.

The question therefore is, if not Pogba then who? Which player of genuine quality could we sign that would make a real difference and just as importantly is that player available? And please no one say Matuidi.
 
JPRouve said:
It's not linked to Pogba because Juventus can afford to spend 23.5m on a player every year, they don't need the sell of Pogba to finance that.
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Amortization is an accounting principal that specifies how capital expenditure gets taken into cost.

It has nothing to do with cashflow.

That 94m they pay for Higuain could be paid in whatever kind of form, maybay half now, half next year or all at once. That is just cash going from 1 bankaccount to another, how exactly they do that will be part of the negotiations. How Juve has to account for spending 94m on player registrations that is an accounting principle and IFRS rules say for intangible assets like player registrations it should be amortized over the duration in which it creates economical benefits for the company, which in this case is the contract duration of the player. It is actually entirely the same as how capital expenditures for tangible assets get accounted for in the costs by depreciation.

So again what the feck does an accounting principle has to do with Higuain or Pogba being linked or not ? Either Juve doesn't need to sell Pogba to buy Higuain because they have enough money from other resources or they don't and they are obviously linked. How everything gets paid and definatley how everything gets accounted for it in the books has fecking nothing to do with this.
 
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The red panther said:
Amortization is an accounting principal that specifies how capital expenditure gets taken into cost.

It has nothing to do with cashflow.

That 94m they pay for Higuain could be paid in whatever kind of form, maybay half now, half next year or all at once. That is just cash going from 1 bankaccount to another, how exactly they do that will be part of the negotiations. How Juve has to account for spending 94m on player registrations that is an accounting principle and IFRS rules say for intangible assets like player registrations it should be amortized over the duration in which it creates economical benefits for the company, which in this case is the contract duration of the player. It is actually entirely the same as how capital expenditures get accounted for in the costs by depreciation.

So again what the feck does an accounting principle has to do with Higuain or Pogba being linked or not ? Either Juve doesn't need to sell Pogba to buy Higuain because they have enough money from other resources or they don't and they are obviously linked. How everything gets paid and definatley how everything gets accounted for it in the books has fecking nothing to do with this.
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Did you read "amortisation" even once in that post?
 
Mark McMaw said:
I said it way earlier on in this thread it's got Vidal written all over it! I think he'll wait till next summer to move to Madrid personally.
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RedStarUnited said:
Except we supposedly have an agreement with Pogba and its Juve who dont want to agree terms. If this deal fails its because Juve have put a price that is too high.

Juve will never get a bigger offer for one of their players than this.
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This.Not to mention there's a transfer ban looming on Madrid.
 
The red panther said:
So what Pogba deal would also be amortized

What does it matter, if they spend €94m that gets amortized over 5 years or not, they will still need to make that money from somewhere. That is why I said it would more sense to me Juve are guaranteed the Pogba money before they spend it on Higuain because if they don't they will be left with a huge amortization cost on their books for the next 5 years, which doesn't sound like good business.

How the money is accounted for in the books has aboslutley nothing to do with the economical concept that you need money before you can spend it.
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Which is what I'm trying to say. They do have the money, all things considered.
 
The red panther said:
Amortization is an accounting principal that specifies how capital expenditure gets taken into cost.

It has nothing to do with cashflow.

That 94m they pay for Higuain could be paid in whatever kind of form, maybay half now, half next year or all at once. That is just cash going from 1 bankaccount to another, how exactly they do that will be part of the negotiations. How Juve has to account for spending 94m on player registrations that is an accounting principle and IFRS rules say for intangible assets like player registrations it should be amortized over the duration in which it creates economical benefits for the company, which in this case is the contract duration of the player. It is actually entirely the same as how capital expenditures get accounted for in the costs by depreciation.

So again what the feck does an accounting principle has to do with Higuain or Pogba being linked or not ? Either Juve doesn't need to sell Pogba to buy Higuain because they have enough money from other resources or they don't and they are obviously linked. How everything gets paid and definatley how everything gets accounted for it in the books has fecking nothing to do with this.
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I think people use the word "amortisation" to try and appear clever without knowing what it means!
 
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